Convincing my Mom that it's okay for me to OC

[RevGeo]

'That is a felony assault.

You shoot 'em.'

That sounds like the reply from a man looking for an excuse to shoot someone while wearing the bait on his hip.

George

 

[Skribs]

What I don't understand is what actions one will take when a tuffy confronts an OC with the premise of taking the weapon.

That is a felony assault.

You shoot 'em.

Quoted the whole thing for you, and I agree. I'd back up and put my hand on the grip (both for readiness and to secure it against the aggressor) and tell the man to take a hike (in different terms, of course). If he continues to persist, then I would feel I had reason to draw. Whether or not I fired would depend on the situation.

On the other hand, if Tuffy grabs my gun from behind, and I have a BUG, I probably would shoot him right then, because I would not want to risk him getting a shot off, and he would be way too close for E&E to work.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

'That is a felony assault.

You shoot 'em.'

That sounds like the reply from a man looking for an excuse to shoot someone while wearing the bait on his hip.

George

So open carriers carry in that manner to shoot someone despite their gun being a huge deterent to criminals? Yeah that makes sense. It could be said that CCW people carry that way to appear unarmed to criminals so they do attack them. Making statements like that aren't usually welcome here on The High Road.

 

[NavyLCDR]

So open carriers carry in that manner to shoot someone despite their gun being a huge deterent to criminals? Yeah that makes sense. It could be said that CCW people carry that way to appear unarmed to criminals so they do attack them. Making statements like that aren't usually welcome here on The High Road.

I've often seen the concealed carry only crowd post that open carry does not deter crime, it only passes that crime over to the next victim to come along; but utilizing the "element of surprise" to stop the criminal deters that criminal from ever committing another crime.

 

[Warp]

I've often seen the concealed carry only crowd post that open carry does not deter crime, it only passes that crime over to the next victim to come along; but utilizing the "element of surprise" to stop the criminal deters that criminal from ever committing another crime.

If somebody believed that to be true I would ask them why they select the mode of carry they believe to be most likely to result in an armed confrontation where by must use their gun to defend themselves.

I would rather select the option that avoids my being in a conflict.

 

[Ally]

My area is very safe, so I don't CC or OC... ah suburbia, where I stand as much chance of getting mugged as being attacked by a polar bear.

Seriously? Here's a little tale of life in affluent, safe, "suburbia".

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/cheshire-murders/1.html

 

[LaVere]

I've solved the oc and cc debate. I carry two guns one cc one oc. There that takes care of that. / humor off

 

[NavyLCDR]

I've solved the oc and cc debate. I carry two guns one cc one oc. There that takes care of that. / humor off

That's not going to work. According to the concealed only crowd, the criminal is STILL going to shoot you first dead in a robbery, and now, after they have shot you with their own gun, they are going to take your TWO guns from your cold, dead body and use them to commit the rest of the robbery with. Geez, can't you see the infinite wisdom in that?

 

[EmGeeGeorge]

open carry= bad idea

most of the time IMO.

Camping? Why not.

Fishing? Why not.

Hiking? Sure.

Grabbing a gallon of milk in urban grocery? Not wise...

I think it turns off fence sitters towards allowing people to carry/own guns...

 

[NavyLCDR]

Grabbing a gallon of milk in urban grocery? Not wise...

I think it turns off fence sitters towards allowing people to carry/own guns...

And those of us that actually open carry in the urban grocery stores on a daily basis have exactly the opposite experiences in real life about 95% of the time.

 

[Ringolevio]

Using absurdity to point out absurdity

LaVere:

I've solved the oc and cc debate. I carry two guns one cc one oc. There that takes care of that. / humor off

NavyLCDR

That's not going to work. According to the concealed only crowd, the criminal is STILL going to shoot you first dead in a robbery, and now, after they have shot you with their own gun, they are going to take your TWO guns from your cold, dead body and use them to commit the rest of the robbery with. Geez, can't you see the infinite wisdom in that?

LaVere, you could have put "humor off" on a big honking neon sign and it would still go right over the head of someone severely humor-challenged (and logic-challenged to boot).

 

[Warp]

And those of us that actually open carry in the urban grocery stores on a daily basis have exactly the opposite experiences in real life

So many of the concealed carriers who are all against open carry spout rhetoric about what "will happen" and are just as wrong and full of it as the anti gunners who spout off about concealed carry

 

[NavyLCDR]

So many of the concealed carriers who are all against open carry spout rhetoric about what "will happen" and are just as wrong and full of it as the anti gunners who spout off about concealed carry

I do notice a striking similarity in some of the things the Brady Bunch and other anti-gun groups say about anyone who carries a gun, and some of the things that the concealed only crowd says about anyone who openly carries a gun...

 

[jcwit]

Being as Indiana is a Open Carry allowed state we shall now see what is going to happen regarding Open Carry here after the clown tried to make a point of it at a Zoo in Evansville. I always assumed being discreet was to my advantage but never made it an absolute rule to be completely concealed.

Yes I know what assuming makes of me.

 

[RevGeo]

Pardon me..

FIVETWOSEVEN,
If my comment is unwelcome here I apologize. But the reply I refered to seemed flippant and callous.
As a combat veteran I don't view lethal violence as a subject or action taken lightly.

George

 

[wyocarp]

I see nothing wrong with a second amendment statement being made with open carrying of a firearm. I would hope that one would do it with a little style. By style, not look like a bum, use a nice leather holster, and carry an appropriate firearm (not a highpoint 45 acp).
It is painfully obvious when most conceal a firearm that I hardly see a difference strategically.

 

[Skribs]

Eh, I don't do leather. Sorry.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Why not? Leather looks beautiful!

 

[Sam Cade]

If my comment is unwelcome here I apologize. But the reply I refered to seemed flippant and callous.

So you think that the appropriate response to a felony assault on your person while armed is to NOT shoot?

You claim that an open carried firearm is "bait"...

Better tell these guys to stop baiting people:

 

[Skribs]

Sam, I think his specific comment was in reference to the person who said "if someone says there going to take my gun, I'm going to shoot them." At least, that's how I read it - he thinks the person that made the comment he quoted (using "" and not </quote>) was basically trying to open carry to use any harassment he gets for it as an excuse to shoot people.

I also think the person that he quoted was saying that if he does get assaulted because he's carrying, then by definition he'll have the tools to defend himself. I don't think he would bait-and-shoot.

Of course, I'm just giving people the benefit of the doubt. They could all be bonkers for all I know .

Fivetwo, just because some people think its beautiful doesn't mean all do. I prefer a nice plastic or nylon holster to a leather one.

 

[Sam Cade]

Sam, I think his specific comment was in reference to the person who said "if someone says there going to take my gun, I'm going to shoot them." At least, that's how I read it - he thinks the person that made the comment he quoted (using "" and not </quote>) was basically trying to open carry to use any harassment he gets for it as an excuse to shoot people.

He was addressing me directly for what I said in post #86

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7600082&postcount=86

 

[MyGreenGuns]

Wow! The majority of this thread is bickering that does not suggest "High Road".
The OP was asking how to make his mother feel more comfortable with HIS DECISION to OC. For that I'll +1 to checking out the open carry forum stated earlier. If you dine in Snohomish county, I'll join you and your mum. Calling him a "kid" or "immature" shows your own ignorance.

To the people who asked about a punk confronting you about your OC weapon: (Yes its happened, as I've read from other users on THIS site.) You could simply ask the agressor if he knows he's about to commit felony assault and ask him if he'd like to proceed as you step back and place a hand on your weapon. The main objective is to walk away. If he backs down, walk away. If he attacks, he is commiting a violent crime, and you have a right to defend yourself from violent crime.

To the people suggesting OC only passes the criminals to someone who appears unarmed: I'd gladly OC every day if it means the BG will go attack someone else. If that means YOU have to shoot every BG who sees me as a "difficult target" I can live with that.

All that being said: I usually CC. But I have the option. Don't berate another american for excercising an option you dont personally like.

also +1 to "You dont know who Johnny Cash is?!" I will admit, I dont know much of the Beetles. But as Uma Thurman said in Pulp Fiction, "You're either a Beetles man or an Elvis man." Hail to the KING baby!

 

[Inebriated]

^^ agreed. I gotta say, I'm disappointed in this thread.

The OC vs CC argument is absolutely ridiculous. It's two opinions, and the other is always wrong. Let people carry how they want to carry, and don't bring arguments into a simple question.

To answer OP's question, I will suggest just explaining that a gun, to the average thug, will make them avoid you. They are lazy. A gunfight is way more work than they want to invest. It's also a chance to teach others about gun laws and gun safety, because people are curious, and everyone I know that OC's get's questions rather often.

 

[Ringolevio]

Like talking to a wall

MyGreenGuns:

Wow! The majority of this thread is bickering that does not suggest "High Road".
[snip]
To the people who asked about a punk confronting you about your OC weapon: (Yes its happened, as I've read from other users on THIS site.) You could simply ask the agressor if he knows he's about to commit felony assault and ask him if he'd like to proceed as you step back and place a hand on your weapon. The main objective is to walk away. If he backs down, walk away. If he attacks, he is commiting a violent crime, and you have a right to defend yourself from violent crime.

I quite agree this discussion does not suggest "The High Road", but for different reasons.

What part of the following is not being understood?: "The punk confronting you about your OC weapon" would not be confronting you at all if that weapon were concealed.

The OC advocates here seem so obsessed with demonstrating their right to OC (even when it contradicts common sense) that they are willing to, in effect, set the wheels in motion to invite and provoke a felony assault where none would otherwise occur.

It's tantamount to walking down the street with wads of cash displayed openly (which you have every right to do); Yes, the guy who robs you is committing a felony, but your lack of common sense invites the crime.

At least one of you also fails to understand the difference between OC by a uniformed and commissioned LEO and OC by a private citizen. By your "logic", everybody should OC. Maybe then we'll be able to spot the plainclothesmen and detectives because they'll be the only ones not OC'ing; would that make sense in the strange world you seem to inhabit? (A world where one "simply asks" the aggressor, "Pardon me, My Good Fellow; might you be aware that you are about to commit a felony assault? Are you quite sure you wish to proceed?").

In the real world that I inhabit, I (too often) find myself unable to avoid walking a gauntlet of loudmouth, posturing thugs. If I were OC'ing, I would not make it to the end of the block.

MyGreenGuns:

also +1 to "You dont know who Johnny Cash is?!" I will admit, I dont know much of the Beetles. But as Uma Thurman said in Pulp Fiction, "You're either a Beetles man or an Elvis man." Hail to the KING baby!

So, you agree with me about Johnny Cash. Whoop-di-doo. But the guy who didn't know who Johnny Cash was at least knew how to spell "Johnny Cash". Sheesh! A "beetle" is either an insect or a car made by Volkswagen.

And I hope you'll learn more about lawless violence than you learned watching "Pulp Fiction"; and I hope you survive the lesson.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Fivetwo, just because some people think its beautiful doesn't mean all do. I prefer a nice plastic or nylon holster to a leather one.

I thought this at first myself and got a Serpa, now my handguns sit in thumb break leather holsters, to each their own though. Nothing wrong with liking holsters that are more durable and lighter than leather.