Convincing my Mom that it's okay for me to OC

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NavyLCDR said:
So his mother is a self defense expert and wise on the subject based upon her actual, real world experience and vast training? Or is she wise for no other reason than she agrees with you.

It's funny how everybody who agrees with your opinion is wise, and everyone else is a fool. Did you ever stop to think that there are wise, well trained persons who open carry as well? No, of course not, because open carry can be nothing more than foolish to you, because you don't agree with it for whatever reason you choose to justify your feelings with.

Isn't it funny how none of your wise people can come up with one instance where an open carrier was at the scene of a crime, stabbed or shot, and their gun taken from them?
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Apparantly Mom is more experienced in S/D than most that defend OC. Cops OC because the openly displayed badges give them away, they also CC when they are not wearing their badges because they are well practiced in S/D tactics.
 
@ Ringolevio (who posted everything I am quoting)

The OP was asking how to talk to his mom about his decision. If you dont agree, just post that and move on. Bickering about what COULD or MIGHT happen is off topic.

What part of the following is not being understood?: "The punk confronting you about your OC weapon" would not be confronting you at all if that weapon were concealed.
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I understand what you are saying. Repeated posts do not make the point more valid. As long as you can understand that sometimes carrying openly can deter a possible event. I do not believe thugs confronting an armed 'victim' is a common event. To be honest, when I OC, I am far more worried about a panic'd soccer mom than a thug. So you are suggesting noone should excercise their rights for something that may never happen? It is not equal to carelessly displaying cash as you stroll around town.

..would that make sense in the strange world you seem to inhabit? (A world where one "simply asks" the aggressor, "Pardon me, My Good Fellow; might you be aware that you are about to commit a felony assault? Are you quite sure you wish to proceed?").
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I am not a big guy. I'm not an old guy. Diplomacy is my first resort. I would be stating that:
a) Yes, I know what you are thinking of doing.
b) Yes, I am prepared to defend my life.
c) I am not being the HOSTILE party.

In the real world that I inhabit, I (too often) find myself unable to avoid walking a gauntlet of loudmouth, posturing thugs. If I were OC'ing, I would not make it to the end of the block.
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Apparently the many of us who have OC in the "real world" know something you dont.

So, you agree with me about Johnny Cash. Whoop-di-doo. But the guy who didn't know who Johnny Cash was at least knew how to spell "Johnny Cash". Sheesh!
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You point out my spelling and then spell it the same. Funny. Dont bicker at me about it, I copied it from these fools! (LINK:http://www.johnnycash.com/)

And I hope you'll learn more about lawless violence than you learned watching "Pulp Fiction"; and I hope you survive the lesson.
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You realize half the title of that movie is "Fiction". Clearly you need a hug.

I know you will most likely continue to argue your point so I'll give you this: "Everything I say is wrong, Everything you say is right. Thank you for your wisdom oh great one."
 
I liked the Serpa at first as well. I have one that fits my G26 and my G19. I have since changed my mind and, IMO, 'upgraded'. I have two Galco COP 3 slots and hopefully before logn will have a Simply Rugged Tribute. (that would make 3 all leather with thumbsnaps)
 
You apparently didn't even read my original post, sarge, let alone the comments. I don't have to ask her. I want her to be more comfortable when I do.

What part of the following is not being understood?: "The punk confronting you about your OC weapon" would not be confronting you at all if that weapon were concealed.
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Other punks would not be confronting my if they didn't see that I had a weapon. Both sides can say "these types of punks will focus on people who (have/have no) gun displayed." So in the end, it's down to which you personally think is more likely, and that will most likely be situational depending on your demeanor and the part of town you live in.

The OC advocates here seem so obsessed with demonstrating their right to OC (even when it contradicts common sense) that they are willing to, in effect, set the wheels in motion to invite and provoke a felony assault where none would otherwise occur.

It's tantamount to walking down the street with wads of cash displayed openly (which you have every right to do); Yes, the guy who robs you is committing a felony, but your lack of common sense invites the crime.
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There's a big difference here. The difference is that you cannot use a wad of cash to defend yourself.

At least one of you also fails to understand the difference between OC by a uniformed and commissioned LEO and OC by a private citizen. By your "logic", everybody should OC. Maybe then we'll be able to spot the plainclothesmen and detectives because they'll be the only ones not OC'ing; would that make sense in the strange world you seem to inhabit? (A world where one "simply asks" the aggressor, "Pardon me, My Good Fellow; might you be aware that you are about to commit a felony assault? Are you quite sure you wish to proceed?").
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If everyone OC'd, then the detectives would OC, too.

Also, if you are CCing, what would your strategy be when someone walks up, pulls out a switchblade, and says "I want the wallet and the watch."
Take that response, and you can just as easily apply it to OC when someone walks up to you and says "gimme your gun."

My response, in either situation, would be to take a step back, put my hand on my gun (which involves displaying it when I'm CCing, already displayed if I'm OCing), and stating clearly something along the lines of "back off."

The point is, in either case, you're going to respond the same. So you can't use "how would you respond" as a CC vs. OC argument.

In the real world that I inhabit, I (too often) find myself unable to avoid walking a gauntlet of loudmouth, posturing thugs. If I were OC'ing, I would not make it to the end of the block.
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Then in your situation, if you think these thugs would be baited by your OCing, you shouldn't OC. That doesn't mean everyone else is in the situation you are in. I live in a pretty nice neighborhood where I only run into "thugs" maybe once or twice a year. So I'm not at all worried about making it to the end of the block.
 
The Sarge said:
I did not read all the responses so forgive me ............
You are old enough to carry and you have to ask your Mom?
Did I get this right?
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He is asking for a way to put her at ease. Not for advice on whether he should or not, or for judgment by you.
 
The Sarge said:
Good, I was not giving judgement there Internet tough guy.... I was asking. It is a question.
Keyboard warriors sheesh.....
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Yeah, I'm the internet tough guy... Whatever you say, "Sarge."
 
I think that doing it, and continuing to live a happy healthy life is what will convince her, if that is what you have decided you want to do. I'd still wait til you move out though, so you can break it to her by saying "I've been doing it for a year without any issues," rather than having her see you do it, which is going to make her anxious and upset.
This isn't a troll thread is it? I got a pang of suspicion suddenly lol.
 
real mature said:
????? < when that is at the end of a sentence it means it is a question.
Your welcome.
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If you're honestly asking, then fine. But you have to see where your question sounds sarcastic and demeaning.

Also, "your" implies possession. I think YOU'RE looking for the conjunction of "you are."

YOU'RE welcome.
 
This isn't a troll thread is it? I got a pang of suspicion suddenly lol.
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Seems to me a lot of replies are.

Sarge, you came in here and "asked a question" that was clearly answered in my original post. Regardless of the punctuation you chose, the way it was written was demeaning. You changed "I want my mom to be comfortable" to "I need my mom's permission" and then made fun of the result.
 
I have open carried for about 40 years and I'm not changing any time soon, like ever. Since I can carry in any manner I choose, without the need for permits, unnecessary fees or red tape of any lind in my state, it's unlikely I'll ever conceal unless it's a back up weapon in addition to my hip holster.
 
Also, "your" implies possession. I think YOU'RE looking for the conjunction of "you are."

YOU'RE welcome.
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This is a gun forum, not a classroom.:rolleyes:

I have open carried for about 40 years and I'm not changing any time soon, like ever. Since I can carry in any manner I choose, without the need for permits, unnecessary fees or red tape of any lind in my state, it's unlikely I'll ever conceal unless it's a back up weapon in addition to my hip holster.
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Wow! I'm suprised that you would carry that long after getting beat up so many times and losing your gun to thieves! :eek:
 
This is a gun forum, not a classroom.
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It would still be nice if people showed a middle school level education. Or do they teach that difference in elementary school? I forget.

We need to stop being a nation that doesn't care about education and simply shows its ignorance at every turn.
 
Before it's closed I think you should consider one thing that really goes beyond the OC vs. CC debate...

It's your mother's house, she's worried about you attracting unwanted attention to it. Despite whether you believe her worries are justified or not, do you think you're really in the right just ignoring her concerns and frustration? Turn the table and consider a few years from now when you have your own home, and your mother will undoubtedly want you to do things a certain way--you'll want her to respect the fact that it is your home just as much as she would appreciate you respecting the fact that you're in her home.

Sorry I had to bring it up, but I think it's an important aspect that was overlooked. Don't want to sound like a perfect son here either... I just know that after losing my mother I've considered a lot of things similar to this that I wish I could take back just to have made her life a little easier.

So I mean, yeah you might want to make a political statement here... But what's more important, saving your mother some worry or making a political statement?
 
I am moving out very soon Kenny, but yeah I was at least waiting for that.
 
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