Thain
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I'm by no means an expert, but I'm goignt o cast my vote for shoot `em `til they fall down. Then shoot `em `til they stop twitching. Then shoot once more.
gazpacho said:wbond, I personally believe the 9x18 is only marginally better than 380acp, and any advantage you could gain by greater "stopping power" of the 9x18 could be more than offset by a higher volume of practice with the lower recoiling 380acp. That said, I have a few recommendations.
1) Magna-Porting
2) Beretta M86. Not currently in production, but has a 4.6" tip up barrel. Longer barrel for optimum velocity.
3) Taurus PT938. Never been able to confirm this, but it is supposed to be a Locked Breech semi-auto. Locked Breech reduces recoil.
Thain said:I'm by no means an expert, but I'm goignt o cast my vote for shoot `em `til they fall down. Then shoot `em `til they stop twitching. Then shoot once more.
wbond said:Any self defense shooting is going to be reviewed by authorities. Do you want to go to prison?
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Think about these things in advance. Maybe consult your attorney. See what he says.
thepanda said:wbond:
There was no personal attack and you missed the entire point of what I was saying.
If you're going to toss around a statistic such as "shot stop capability" you have to treat it as one. If it's 40% then it's 40% for EVERY SINGLE SHOT. Obviously many factors influence each shot and I tried to express that. Being shot once already definitely helps when trying to stop a threat, but that further proves why "shot stop capability" is an insignificant measurement-- it is a VARIABLE RATE and will be different every time the trigger is pulled. All I was attempting to say is that this statistic is misleading at best and multiplying it to come up with a mythical "3 shot stop" is even more inaccurate. I'm sorry that you took it as a personal attack. I didn't mean for it to come across as one.
You don't have to "address [my] comment about each shot being LESS likely to stop an attacker" because that would be foolish. The whole point of that statement was to point out how little sense employing your statistical logic makes. Obviously that point was lost on you.
I'm sorry if anything in this post sounds hostile, but I don't like coming online to a private message from a user with a "read receipt" that serves only to try and anger me. I was only trying to express why measuring the value of a cartridge in this manner is meaningless when there are far too many factors to consider.
Once again, I APOLOGIZE if you took my previous post as a personal attack. But I believe the manner in which you handled the entire situation was childish. I wished nothing other than to inform you as to why something was incorrect and offer my opinion. I believe that the entire point of a forum is to discuss facts and opinions and if you can’t read an opposing view without losing your cool I respectfully ask you to refrain from reading my posts.
Thain said:Wow! Dial it down a little, wbond. Not only did you send me this in the main thread, you also sent it to me (verbatim) in a lengthy private message.
To begin with, I don't see how anyone could reasonably find my "advice" to be serious... Not only is it asine in its John Woo-esque violence, I mispell most of it, and I include one of them nice green smilies...
I apologize for wasting everyone elses time with this, but come on...
Okay, let me put it in serious terms sense humor doesn't seem to work.
Shot placement beats caliber, and volume of fire helps too. If your concerned about stopping someone, you shot them `til they stop.
Red Tornado said:Hey NoScreenName,
Would you mind posting the results of the #19 and #21 springs? I think the Mak's just a little snappy, and would love to get your opinion on the difference they make.
Thanks,
RT
Wow, this thread is enlightening. I've learned from the experts here that energy doesn't matter, caliber doesn't matter, expansion doesn't matter, all that matters is bullet placement and PERHAPS penetration. Therefore, I'm thinking .17HMR with FMJ, preferably spitzer, ammo. I don't think it could get no better'n that. No recoil, accurate, and lots of penetration! Perhaps I could find one of those old S&Ws in .22 Jet, but cases might be a problem. That Raging Hornet thing would work, but it's not very concealable.
3) Taurus PT938. Never been able to confirm this, but it is supposed to be a Locked Breech semi-auto. Locked Breech reduces recoil.