Thanks regarding the o-ring where exactly do you install it right down at the bottom? Can you just put it over the top end of the mag and slide it all the way down to the bottom as far as it will go?Keep after it. These pistols are capable of real hunting accuracy.
The DE is probably the most devisive gun around. Love it or hate it with no in-between.
I've been lucky I guess, as all of my DEs have functioned from day one. All bought used.
Can't afford factory so my .44 reload is, 23.5 grs. H110 under 240gr. SPs with a gentle taper crimp.
The load is accurate in all my .44 DEs as well as a Ruger carbine with no set back.
Never got the same accuracy with 2400 or 4227 in the DE, and H110 in a 6" barrel has a bit of flash (to say the least!)
so I shoot the 10" barrels almost exclusively. I have Millet sights on all of mine - all calibers and barrel lengths except the 429?
and the Bain & Davis.
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MUCH less muzzle flash.
And they carry (for short trips LOL!)nicely in the Gould &Goodrich skeleton holster.
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The .440 and .50 will wear out springs, the 44 not so much.
I agree that the .44 chambering requires keeping the wrists locked, but disagree that the arms need to be locked. I shoot from field positions all
the time without locked arms.
The whole limp wrist/brass to the face thing with the .44 in particular is what I've always called 'the Israeli learning curve - short and to the point'.
The .357 can be shot from the hip and the .41 does not require the same grip as a .44. Never been hit with a case from either of those calibers.
Can't say I have seen a cera-coated gun before, so don't know if you should get it off the rails or not, I probably would.
I have always used canned air and and two earplugs to test the condition of the gas system where shooting is not an option.
As to the last round not feeding. The DE manual requires the magazine to hang free with no upward motion from the support hand.
Because I prefer shooting with my support hand slightly cupping my gun hand,
I went to the hardware store and picked up a selection of 1 1/2" dia. rubber 'O' rings in varying thicknesses.
All of my DE magazines wear one of these (diameter matched to the caliber) and feeding is flawless.
Just requires loading the gun open or giving the mag a smack when seating it with the slide forward.
Here is a pic of one on the magazine of this conversion kit.
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The pistol is worth messing with a bit.
Hope you keep us updated. JT
Desert Eagle 44, But HOW do I get it to Cycle?
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Thanks regarding the o-ring where exactly do you install it right down at the bottom? Can you just put it over the top end of the mag and slide it all the way down to the bottom as far as it will go?
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Why not?
It’s not always about practicality. Fun is fun. And an Eagle is a lot of fun!
I only have experience with my Eagle, a .50 AE.
It cycled with slightly lower than starting loads all the way to maximum. With a hard hold, and an overly dramatic, rolling up like a cowboy limp wrist and elbow.
I would check the gas system too. Clean off the cylinder breech and blow through it. Careful of your teeth.
It is about the size of a coffee straw, you’ll feel if you are able to blow through it. If so, add more powder.
I think the biggest problem is that .44Mag comes in a wide variety of lead hunting projectile loads. If many barrels were like my first, that violently stripped copper jacket shavings, lead would pack it full in short order.
Does it move at all under firing?
Does the slide move freely? I don’t know Ceracoat very well. Would it build up enough to cause energy robbing drag? I heard it was very slick.
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One of the greatest big wall climbers of all time referred to it as "an exercise in vertical freight handling" because the amalgam of ropes, hardware, water, food, minor amenities, packs, and bivy (climberspeak for bivouac) gear for a multi week climb could outweigh the climbers substantially at the start. I'm not much of a hunter and now eat more fish than grazers, but my dad regaled me with tales of the hunt and hiking for dozens of miles (he even named my sister Diana). I have climbed hundreds of walls and only ONE (Cerberus in Zion NP) had an approach march of only 50 yards.
Between the gun and and your unwillingness to hike,... I now get it. I apologize... I just didn't know that anybody actually lived in Jurassic Park.
That was an interesting post. Obviously there is a culture to miniature autoloading hand cannons that had heretofore escaped me.
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Yes, I just roll them down onto the magazine down to the floorplate.
Recall 1/8" diameter being the smallest, but just pick up one of each in various sizes.
I would not recommend taking the pistol into the hardware store to test them either.
Folks might get nervous with you slappin' mags in and out!
(although I did buy an alloy frame .357 from a guy that had it listed as his carry gun on his NY State concealed permit!)
JT
So a buddy of mine who gets a special thrill out of taking guns apart strip that down clean the hell out of it and gave it a lite polish along the feed ramps then we foiled it with Lucas and put her back together
With a little more attention to grip
Especially locking elbows and not touching the bottom of the mag or the slide release the gun functioned well enough in general.
It hated Winchester white box semi jacketed soft points but did fine with the original same focacce semi jacketed hollow points I originally used as well as with some FMJ handloads.
We do think there's an issue with the particular mag as it kind of collapses as you add more bullets and losses it's springiness.
We also noted that it functions much better when you insert the loaded mag with the slide open.
So now I'd say it functions about 75% reliable even with that mag and we got several strings of four to six shots in a row to fire and never had a failure to eject.
But several times around wood dive towards the top of the barrel going to far horizontal in the feed ramp for a jam with live rounds.
Bottom line is you should expect problems with Desert eagles but they can be surmounted.
The accuracy is absolutely amazing and I also found that shooting it with one hand is actually more reliable than shooting it with two but may require some users to hit the gym first
With a little more attention to grip
Especially locking elbows and not touching the bottom of the mag or the slide release the gun functioned well enough in general.
It hated Winchester white box semi jacketed soft points but did fine with the original same focacce semi jacketed hollow points I originally used as well as with some FMJ handloads.
We do think there's an issue with the particular mag as it kind of collapses as you add more bullets and losses it's springiness.
We also noted that it functions much better when you insert the loaded mag with the slide open.
So now I'd say it functions about 75% reliable even with that mag and we got several strings of four to six shots in a row to fire and never had a failure to eject.
But several times around wood dive towards the top of the barrel going to far horizontal in the feed ramp for a jam with live rounds.
Bottom line is you should expect problems with Desert eagles but they can be surmounted.
The accuracy is absolutely amazing and I also found that shooting it with one hand is actually more reliable than shooting it with two but may require some users to hit the gym first
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Not even close.
Race cars aren’t for everyone.
Maybe someday, with enough gym time, you can move up to a Fifty.
I have no desire to get into another caliber
That ammo is ridiculously expensive
I'm just glad I got Desert Eagle working
But these guns are no doubt inherently more finicky and definitely nowhere near as reliable as any other semi-auto I've ever owned
Yes race cars are for children
That ammo is ridiculously expensive
I'm just glad I got Desert Eagle working
But these guns are no doubt inherently more finicky and definitely nowhere near as reliable as any other semi-auto I've ever owned
Yes race cars are for children
1. Forget that "isosceles grip" method. Go with a 60/40, with your right arm straight, and the elbow locked.
As others have mentioned, the DE is a limp wrist detector. There are 4 return springs, and it's a heavy gun, but you must
give it a firm grip to do it's work against.
2. Let the mag hang. Do NOT support it, in any way, or touch the mag. It's supposed to hang down.
3. Clean the gun, every 100 rounds. Field strip it, and clean the entire gun.
4. My experience is, when handled properly, the DE will always do it's job, 100% of the time. And with a six inch barrel,
it's very accurate, if you do your job.
DEs get a bad rap, as "jammomatics", because the average shooter doesn't know how, or take the time, to shoot it properly. They are a two handed pistol. Forget
all that one handed Action Hero CRAP you see in the movies. The DE, IMHO, is a rite of passage, for a competent shooter. Shoot this pistol right, and any other pistol out there is easily within your grasp.
As others have mentioned, the DE is a limp wrist detector. There are 4 return springs, and it's a heavy gun, but you must
give it a firm grip to do it's work against.
2. Let the mag hang. Do NOT support it, in any way, or touch the mag. It's supposed to hang down.
3. Clean the gun, every 100 rounds. Field strip it, and clean the entire gun.
4. My experience is, when handled properly, the DE will always do it's job, 100% of the time. And with a six inch barrel,
it's very accurate, if you do your job.
DEs get a bad rap, as "jammomatics", because the average shooter doesn't know how, or take the time, to shoot it properly. They are a two handed pistol. Forget
all that one handed Action Hero CRAP you see in the movies. The DE, IMHO, is a rite of passage, for a competent shooter. Shoot this pistol right, and any other pistol out there is easily within your grasp.
Maybe someday, with enough gym time, you can move up to a Fifty.
I know you are just jesting... but I really feel no difference between my DE L5 with the .50ae barrel and the .44mag barrel. You could hand me my L5 with one of the barrels and I would not be able to tell you which round it was just by shooting it. The one place I CAN tell a big difference between a .44 DE and a 50 DE is when I am ordering reloading components!
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Ain't that the truth!
Those last sixty grains of lead must be worth a lot more!It always amazes me when larger, non-shooter hunting friends of mine try my pistol.
They have grip strength. They have body mass. They own a 300RUM.
Obviously they can shoot my pistol better than I, right?
I keep bandaids in the box just for when the children want to try the racecar...
The "Elevator Man" (installs elevators, you need one to see eye-to-eye with him!) gave my pistol a try at one of the Bunny Hunts.
He complained it tried to tear his arms off, I was afraid he would drop my $1500 pistol!
After he caught a nice "moon mark" in his head, from not hold her right, he proclaimed her too much and handed her back, as I was walking up to take her before he flung her over his head backward!
It also amazes me when a human buys a used gun, that's been Cerakoted to hide sins of the past, and doesn't change out any springs, but proclaims them to be problematic.
(The ever popular "feed ramp polish"!
)I wouldn't be surprised if they found 1911s too difficult to run as well...
(Just kiddin ya.
)It's just a machine.
All it needs is a sacrificial chicken...
I don't get any one having trouble with the recoil with a desert eagle there is virtually no recoil due to the weight and the cycling
in that respect they are very easy to shoot and definitely I'm getting great accuracy.
But no one should make the case that these are reliable weapons.
Any gun that has to be field-stripped every hundred rounds to run reliably is not.
Clearly these are not starter guns but I'm not a starter.
I'm getting much better results but these guns do have a learning curve and take a lot of effort and I'm not giving up due to the potential accuracy and overall pleasure of the gun once it started working.
But to call these guns reliable compared to for example any Glock on the planet or a Springfield XDM it's just ridiculous
in that respect they are very easy to shoot and definitely I'm getting great accuracy.
But no one should make the case that these are reliable weapons.
Any gun that has to be field-stripped every hundred rounds to run reliably is not.
Clearly these are not starter guns but I'm not a starter.
I'm getting much better results but these guns do have a learning curve and take a lot of effort and I'm not giving up due to the potential accuracy and overall pleasure of the gun once it started working.
But to call these guns reliable compared to for example any Glock on the planet or a Springfield XDM it's just ridiculous
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To compare these firearms to carry weapons is ridiculous...
They started out as competition pistols.
You know, babied a lot and shot on a square and put away clean, after twenty whole rounds.
I admit, I don't clean mine that often. One hundred to one fifty is the maximum for mine. It's burning nine rounds of Fourth Five Auto at a shot.
With slower, more carbon infused magnum powder.
They are like a benchrest rifle. Are you going to take one of those to the suck and expect it to work like an MFour?
I am glad you are having better luck, but if you thought they were going to run like a Glock, for a thousand rounds at a time, well, I don't know what to say to that.
It's a Drag car, not a Gaston Mini-van...
And for all the strength and weight, it is the only gun I've broken.
Blew the piston off the end of it from recoil torque.(Buy two when you do, it is a wear part.)
Don't let it get you down when that happens either...
What are doing when you are stripping it? What is clogging up? What about it does not run? What are your loads? How long are they? Does it not cycle, or does it not load? Did you replace the recoil springs yet?
Is the piston completely clean around its circumference? How about the piston chamber? (Both these will interfere with coming to battery, but make look as though the cartridges are to blame.)
How are the rails? Is the Cerakote thin enough? Does it bind the slide? With out the bolt does gravity open it? What about the locking lugs are they marred or peened? Is the bolt clean? Breach channel too? Is the firing pin stop chewed up and dragging?
Do you have any pictures of it stopped? Are your magazines clean and well lubed?
Is your chamber clean? Short brass can leave a glossy carbon ring at the end that build up.
Is your brass old? Some get hard with age, and though they hold a bullet, won't size well lower.
Sacrificial chickens aside, it is just steel in a pretty shape. It has limits.
They started out as competition pistols.
You know, babied a lot and shot on a square and put away clean, after twenty whole rounds.
I admit, I don't clean mine that often. One hundred to one fifty is the maximum for mine. It's burning nine rounds of Fourth Five Auto at a shot.
With slower, more carbon infused magnum powder.
They are like a benchrest rifle. Are you going to take one of those to the suck and expect it to work like an MFour?
I am glad you are having better luck, but if you thought they were going to run like a Glock, for a thousand rounds at a time, well, I don't know what to say to that.
It's a Drag car, not a Gaston Mini-van...
And for all the strength and weight, it is the only gun I've broken.
Blew the piston off the end of it from recoil torque.(Buy two when you do, it is a wear part.)
Don't let it get you down when that happens either...
What are doing when you are stripping it? What is clogging up? What about it does not run? What are your loads? How long are they? Does it not cycle, or does it not load? Did you replace the recoil springs yet?
Is the piston completely clean around its circumference? How about the piston chamber? (Both these will interfere with coming to battery, but make look as though the cartridges are to blame.)
How are the rails? Is the Cerakote thin enough? Does it bind the slide? With out the bolt does gravity open it? What about the locking lugs are they marred or peened? Is the bolt clean? Breach channel too? Is the firing pin stop chewed up and dragging?
Do you have any pictures of it stopped? Are your magazines clean and well lubed?
Is your chamber clean? Short brass can leave a glossy carbon ring at the end that build up.
Is your brass old? Some get hard with age, and though they hold a bullet, won't size well lower.
Sacrificial chickens aside, it is just steel in a pretty shape. It has limits.
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