Do you CCW with a round chambered?
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Bruce333
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It wouldn't be of much use if there wasn't.
mrelijahgardner
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I agree
I agree bru333. If I were to ever need to pull my gun I would want it to work right then. I wouldn't suggest using a cheap gun for CCW.
I agree bru333. If I were to ever need to pull my gun I would want it to work right then. I wouldn't suggest using a cheap gun for CCW.
allmons
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Always
That's the point of carry - a weapon instantly available for self defense.
That's the point of carry - a weapon instantly available for self defense.
usp9
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Of course
Can't think of a reason not to. If you don't trust yourself or your weapon, you shouldn't carry.
Can't think of a reason not to. If you don't trust yourself or your weapon, you shouldn't carry.
ChopperKen
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1911, cond.1
Why would you want to add time to chamber a round when your life is on the line?
Why would you want to add time to chamber a round when your life is on the line?
FPrice
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Can't say it any better than this.
DragonFire
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As discussed in several other threads, you can only draw and present your gun in response to an immediate threat. Why wouldn't you want you gun to be immediately ready?
If you don't trust your gun or yourself with a round in the chamber, either you need a new gun, or you need more training.
If you don't trust your gun or yourself with a round in the chamber, either you need a new gun, or you need more training.
The Israelis are the only major group of combat experienced folks I know that teach and carry without a round in the chamber. Watch a good one and you'll see that time isn't really a factor if well practiced. The main problem I see with it is; what if you can't use your other hand or must shoot extremely close (retention) or access the gun already in a struggle?
I've heard many reasons from credible and not so credible sources as to why they do it. The ones from the more credible source mention 1) it gives an extra split second to assess the situation (this is negated because they train it to muscle memory and get very fast) and 2) it seats the gun in your firing hand firmly and the same way every time.
The technique they use to chamber is to draw and rotate the slide towards the weak side and chamber with a pinch grip of the weak hand while pressing the gun foward. As soon as the slide is released, the other hand catches up and assumes a 2 hand grip by the time the gun is at full extension. No time is lost when practiced enough...compared to going to a full 2 hand presentation without having to chamber. Again, the downside is you have to use both hands and need some room. Chambering with one hand only (on the belt, boot) is for emergencies only IMO and I'd rather avoid having to do it.
Out of curiosity I wonder if thier bodyguards carry chamber empty? Being able to cover a principle and guide them to safety while drawing with the other hand is very usefull, especially for a 1-man detail. As a CCW, you are your own BG and a BG to your family. I always want my gun hand free and want the independent use of my other.
I've heard many reasons from credible and not so credible sources as to why they do it. The ones from the more credible source mention 1) it gives an extra split second to assess the situation (this is negated because they train it to muscle memory and get very fast) and 2) it seats the gun in your firing hand firmly and the same way every time.
The technique they use to chamber is to draw and rotate the slide towards the weak side and chamber with a pinch grip of the weak hand while pressing the gun foward. As soon as the slide is released, the other hand catches up and assumes a 2 hand grip by the time the gun is at full extension. No time is lost when practiced enough...compared to going to a full 2 hand presentation without having to chamber. Again, the downside is you have to use both hands and need some room. Chambering with one hand only (on the belt, boot) is for emergencies only IMO and I'd rather avoid having to do it.
Out of curiosity I wonder if thier bodyguards carry chamber empty? Being able to cover a principle and guide them to safety while drawing with the other hand is very usefull, especially for a 1-man detail. As a CCW, you are your own BG and a BG to your family. I always want my gun hand free and want the independent use of my other.
Autolycus
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I answered yes but the facts are I dont CCW due to stupid people in charge of our state. When I move to a free state I will with CCW with a round chambered.
Working Man
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Well said.
SAG0282
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ALWAYS with a round in the chamber.
ezypikns
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From "Cocked and Locked" by Robert H. Boatman
I don't believe I would bother to carry a weapon unless it were ready to go.
I don't believe I would bother to carry a weapon unless it were ready to go.
CajunBass
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Why would I lug around an unloaded gun?
loki.fish
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If I didn't carry with one in the chamber....I might as well just carry a baton.
LaEscopeta
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Besides the reasons posted above, I’ve read the Israelis developed the chamber-as-drawing method in the early days of their country, when they had to get arms from whereever they could, and ended up with a wide assortment of pistols in use. Chamber-as-drawing avoided the issue of having to train a different manual of arms with different pistols, different safety locations, etc. Chamber-as-drawing works the same on all semi-auto pistols. And I agree with the above post, chamber-as-drawing is no slower than a regular draw for the well practiced, because the slide is racked during the regular movement bringing the pistol up to firing position. Same as a good cowboy shooter cocks a single action revolver in the same motion as drawing, and is no slower then a double action draw.
Anyway, there is the theory that you want your CCW to be easy for you to use but hard for anyone else who may get it to use, as discussed in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221943
If you think this theory is worthwhile, carrying with an empty chamber might also be worthwhile. If a BG gets you pistol, points it you and gets a click on the trigger press, you have several seconds to execute plan B while he tries to figure out what happened and what to do about it.
Anyway, there is the theory that you want your CCW to be easy for you to use but hard for anyone else who may get it to use, as discussed in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221943
If you think this theory is worthwhile, carrying with an empty chamber might also be worthwhile. If a BG gets you pistol, points it you and gets a click on the trigger press, you have several seconds to execute plan B while he tries to figure out what happened and what to do about it.
romma
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Of Course
That is what double action is for... Kel-Tec p-32 small of the back to right hip right now.
That is what double action is for... Kel-Tec p-32 small of the back to right hip right now.
Helstrm
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1911 cocked and locked, Besides even if you have time to chamber a round would you really want the bad guys to hear you chamber a round?
CAS700850
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As long as it's in a holster I'm wearing, it's got a round in the chamber. If carrying Mexican, then I leave it empty.
thumper723
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1911 Condition 1
carterbeauford
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I always carry with one in the chamber! No excuse not to.
Cliff
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Yep. One round in the pipe always.
Steve in PA
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Carry an unloaded (no round chambered) pistol and you might as well be carrying a rock.
As for chambering on the draw, its a useless and dangerous way to carry. Of course, the people who like this type of draw will never have an object in the other hand, won't be pushing or pulling their loved one to safety, their other hand will never get injured, etc. You get the point.
As for being as fast, bull. Get two shooters to stand side by side. One will use the chamber/draw and the other will have his pistol loaded. See who gets the first round on target. Remember, the shooter who has his pistol already loaded only has to draw and pull the trigger (with one hand). No need for a second hand. While the other shooter is drawing and chambering.
As for chambering on the draw, its a useless and dangerous way to carry. Of course, the people who like this type of draw will never have an object in the other hand, won't be pushing or pulling their loved one to safety, their other hand will never get injured, etc. You get the point.
As for being as fast, bull. Get two shooters to stand side by side. One will use the chamber/draw and the other will have his pistol loaded. See who gets the first round on target. Remember, the shooter who has his pistol already loaded only has to draw and pull the trigger (with one hand). No need for a second hand. While the other shooter is drawing and chambering.
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