answerguy
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...anytime soon? What would you think it would be like? What might we be asked to compromise on to get it? Would you compromise on anything to get it?
Does anyone forsee a national CCW...
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...anytime soon? No
What would you think it would be like? Can't even imagine! But I would see it as watered down and the worst of the worst CCW.
What might we be asked to compromise on to get it? Our soul.
Would you compromise on anything to get it? Probably, to a point.
I may be wrong, but I don't see the numbers.
What would you think it would be like? Can't even imagine! But I would see it as watered down and the worst of the worst CCW.
What might we be asked to compromise on to get it? Our soul.
Would you compromise on anything to get it? Probably, to a point.
I may be wrong, but I don't see the numbers.
voilsb
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I don't see it as being too likely. I just don't think anybody would be willing to risk bringing it up in congress. also, I agree it would be so watered down and regulated as to be barely better than not having one at all.
hondo68
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National CCW was ratified - Dec.15, 1791
As part of the Bill Of Rights (BOR), the first 10 amendments to our Constutition. Smoke em if you got em!
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
As part of the Bill Of Rights (BOR), the first 10 amendments to our Constutition. Smoke em if you got em!
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Preacherman
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I don't foresee a national CCW system under present circumstances. However, if terrorism becomes more of a daily reality (as in Israel), then the pressure for national CCW would become enormous, and might just produce something realistic. However, I'd hate to have that reason exist in the first place!
CCW permits is a state issue--not a federal issue. The best case scenario is that all/most states get together and use the same set of standards for issuance of a CCW permit (class, qualification, etc.). This way they would have no qualms in giving reciprocity to the other states.
Will that ever happen? I doubt it.
Mark
Will that ever happen? I doubt it.
Mark
hd1.
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I think the closest thing to a national CCW that we could ever expect to see, would be nation-wide recognition of state issued CCW licenses (much like drivers licenses). Total reciprocity, with each state having their own regulations.
No don't think so. It would take the beaurocrats at least a decade to decide on the legislation and they would have it so screwed up, you and I would need a lawyer to de-cipher what they passed as the National CCW law.
Just look at "arming the pilots"...Dear God, it has been going of for almost two years now [beaurocrats] and still, no armed pilots.
I will win a bet this May with a close friend from work who truly believed we would have armed pilots "in no time". I told him that he simply did not understand politics.
I will take all bets at any odds you care, that we STILL will not have armed pilots by the end of 2003.
If you want something screwed up, let the Government handle it.
Just look at "arming the pilots"...Dear God, it has been going of for almost two years now [beaurocrats] and still, no armed pilots.
I will win a bet this May with a close friend from work who truly believed we would have armed pilots "in no time". I told him that he simply did not understand politics.
I will take all bets at any odds you care, that we STILL will not have armed pilots by the end of 2003.
If you want something screwed up, let the Government handle it.
Hkmp5sd
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Not going to happen.
For the last 20 years, several LEO groups have been trying to have legislation approved to allow a LEO carry a firearm while off duty anywhere in the US. In many areas, LEO's have to get a CCW to be able to carry outside their jurisdiction.
If they cannot pass that, there is no chance of getting one to allow any US citizen carry concealed anywhere in the US.
For the last 20 years, several LEO groups have been trying to have legislation approved to allow a LEO carry a firearm while off duty anywhere in the US. In many areas, LEO's have to get a CCW to be able to carry outside their jurisdiction.
If they cannot pass that, there is no chance of getting one to allow any US citizen carry concealed anywhere in the US.
PATH
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Idaho+Utah not equal to Maryland+New Jersey. No, I don't see it happening.
answerguy
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I would have taken a piece of that action following 9/11. It's incredible that the easiest and least expensive solution to hijacking hasn't occured yet.
Sergeant Bob
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Why would anyone want "national" ccw? Everyone complains they don't want gun registration. Yet they are ready and willing to sign up for gun owner registration ? The 2nd mentions the right to keep and bear arms , not a privilege to be granted by the government.
answerguy
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I certainly agree that a federally maintained list of CCW permit holders would be a tough sell but it could be done at the state level. Not that everyone is enamored with state registration either but it is what we already deal with for our CCW's (your mileage in Vermont may vary).
Wouldn't want the feds doing anything except making the states recognize the rights and privileges of citizens of the other states so they'd all have to honor my CHP like they do my driver's license. Until the SCOTUS comes clean on the 2A, that's all I can hope for.
El Tejon
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answer, do you mean a "national license" of some sort or just comity between the states enforced by the federal government via the 14th or the FF&C clause?
answerguy
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My idea would be for the feds to set up the requirements for a nation-wide CCW but it would be the states who administer it.
Drizzt
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If we have nationwide recognition of state's ccw, can I just say I've got a Vermont ccw?
El Tejon
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I would anticipate a BIG political and constitutional problems. Thus, I would not foresee the regulation you put forth to even be considered.
Desertdog
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A nationa CCW??
No way, no how.
Actually, my hope is that Pres. Bush manages to get a few good Supreme Court judges past the Demorats and they validate the 2nd Amendment.
A few good federal judges may help.
No way, no how.
Actually, my hope is that Pres. Bush manages to get a few good Supreme Court judges past the Demorats and they validate the 2nd Amendment.
A few good federal judges may help.
Most definitely ... eventually ...
4v50 Gary nailed it. When (not if) the next big terrorist attack occurs the chance for a national CCW will be vastly greater. It's just too bad something major is going to have to happen to make it so. :banghead:
4v50 Gary nailed it. When (not if) the next big terrorist attack occurs the chance for a national CCW will be vastly greater. It's just too bad something major is going to have to happen to make it so. :banghead:
Moondancer
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Agree. No national CCW. Just as an example, we don't have a national driver's license (and don't start in on the difference between driving and owning guns... it's just a reference point.)
But having said that, my own gut level feel is that reciprocity of CCWs will become more prevalent than it is now. Perusing www.packing.org would seem to show us that there is a great deal of progress that could be made by pushing states' legislatures on this issue. I think that any efforts spent pushing a national CCW would be better off spent pushing national reciprocity.
(Excuse any fuzzy statements here, I've been at work for 12 1/2 hours and am getting tired!
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But having said that, my own gut level feel is that reciprocity of CCWs will become more prevalent than it is now. Perusing www.packing.org would seem to show us that there is a great deal of progress that could be made by pushing states' legislatures on this issue. I think that any efforts spent pushing a national CCW would be better off spent pushing national reciprocity.
(Excuse any fuzzy statements here, I've been at work for 12 1/2 hours and am getting tired!
)DeltaElite
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Not in my lifetime.
Wouldn't want the populace to be able to defend themselves now would we.
Not to open the can of worms, but we can't even get a national carry law for cops and we are supposed to be liked by the govt.
I sure don't see them giving it to all of us, when they won't give it to their trusted pet dobermans.
Wouldn't want the populace to be able to defend themselves now would we.
Not to open the can of worms, but we can't even get a national carry law for cops and we are supposed to be liked by the govt.
I sure don't see them giving it to all of us, when they won't give it to their trusted pet dobermans.
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