Elmer Fudd, the not-so-savvy gunseller...

[ljnowell]

I used to be friends with a guy I would call a fudd. He thought that owning semi-automatic handguns was a waste of money, no one needed them. A magazine that held more than five or six rounds? No one needs that stuff. He didnt care if they banned it all, they werent gonna take his shotguns, thats all that mattered. He could still hunt deer, the hell with the rest of us. He actually said those things, in those words.

He isnt my friend any more.

 

[BullfrogKen]

^^^^^^OK, that's a way cool picture ^^^^^^



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[mcdonl]

I don't care too much if Elmer has a problem with modern guns. To be perfectly honest, I agree with him most of the time. I like my black guns, and my handguns because they are fun.

If you are honest about it, those of us who know and encounter EF, live in places like VT, ME and other rural, traditionally hunting areas. They think we don't NEED AR, AK's and Glocks with 17 round magazines because we DON'T... we just want them. They dont think we need GPS to navigate on the waters when an alarm clock and compass work just fine. They can even find their way through the woods without a single AA battery....

If you start listing out the different things people of different generations want and like this battle could rage on for ever.

 

[gc70]

Ever had a situation like this happen to you?

I am not acquainted with Elmer, but a salesman did make inappropriate assumptions about my wife. My wife and I entered a gun store together, but I stopped to ogle a gun at one counter while she went to another counter to buy ammo. When she told the salesman she needed some ammo, he asked her "Do you know exactly what kind of ammo your husband wants?" My wife's answer was priceless: "My husband may want some 9mm, but I want .38 Special +P 158 gr. LSWC hollowpoints for my gun."

 

[xcgates]

Happygeek:

If they can get a federal ban on evil black rifles, they'll go after the bolt action "sniper rifles" next: http://www.vpc.org/graphics/snipcov2.pdf. Notice the date when the VPC put that out, May of 1999. They talk about a lot more than just .50 BMG rifles in there, I came away with the impression they wanted to add .308 and up caliber rifles of any action type to the NFA registry.

Is it bad that I just read it (slow evening) and came away with some cool info on some obscure rifles and manufacturers. Heck, even some books I will see if I can get my hands on.

I had a pretty good "uh... huh?" moments over their various characterizations of calibers like 7.62x54r, .308, and other dangerous military calibers. Guess that tin of 440 rounds of x54r and the Mosin Nagant are dangerous sniper equipment? ... (okay, so I only wish I was that accurate, just like I only wish I was a motorcycle racer, but that doesn't stop me from riding my Ducati. )

As far as salesmen, the only thing they see when they see me slobbering the minute I see their treasures is how far open they can pry my wallet. Come to think of it, it is approximately the same thing motorcycle sellers see in me... funny how that is.

 

[HOOfan_1]

This has turned a bit into a thread about gun owners who do not support the rights of all their gun owning "brethren". My dad says he butts heads with someone like that on another forum all the time. Actually I at one time had to convince my dad that whether he cared about the "black gun" craze or not, that it was in his best interest as a gun owner to if not support the movement against AWB bills, that he should at least acknowledge that the AWB was stupid to begin with and most of the legislators who implemented it have absolutely no knowledge of guns and what certain things do.

I told him at one time "we must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately"

Some of these people like Zumbo need to think of the old Martin Niemöller quote.

First they came for the assault weapons, and I said nothing because I own no assault weapon
Then they came for the high capacity magazines and I said nothing because I owned no high capacity magazine
Then they came for the semi-auto handguns and I said nothing because I owned no semi-auto handguns
Then they came for my guns and there were no guns owners left to speak out for me

 

[happygeek]

Is it bad that I just read it (slow evening) and came away with some cool info on some obscure rifles and manufacturers. Heck, even some books I will see if I can get my hands on.

I had a pretty good "uh... huh?" moments over their various characterizations of calibers like 7.62x54r, .308, and other dangerous military calibers. Guess that tin of 440 rounds of x54r and the Mosin Nagant are dangerous sniper equipment? ... (okay, so I only wish I was that accurate, just like I only wish I was a motorcycle racer, but that doesn't stop me from riding my Ducati. )

According to the anti-gunners, you're fully capable of downing an aircraft in flight with your "sniper rifle".

That was actually one of the VPC publications with the most detailed technical details I've found. Josh Sugermann does seem to actually know a bit about firearms from a technical standpoint and he's a FFL holder interestingly enough. I believe he coined the term "assault weapon", though some of his other terms like "pocket rockets" (pistols meant for conceal carry) don't seem to have caught on.

The VPC, unlike the Brady Bunch, actually comes out and bluntly states what their endgame is: they want the BATFE to approve any firearm, accessory, even airsoft guns before they're allowed on the market, that way they can ban anything or everything without having to hold a vote in Congress (http://www.vpc.org/studies/cfstrat.htm).

 

[9mmforMe]

Fudds, Socialists, Gun Snobs...labels. And more recently with the mentally ill individual who killed those people in AZ...nutjob, crazy, monster...more lables.

Labels are what we are talking about. In part lables are seemingly needed to encapsulate an idea in a concise manner, some would say a needed part of language. Unfortunately some forget that labels show only a singular or very limited set of ideas or characteristics. We can do better and remember that people are incredibly complex and dynamic and through complex, dynamic and attainable discourse we can truly comprehend one another, forgive or at the very least tolerate with a sense of carefree detachment...not a bad state of mind I say.

 

[10 Ring Tao]

Another great example of how Fudds screwed us:

The "sporting purposes" criteria the ATF uses. When dealing with the GCA '68, they preemptively threw all of us under the bus to safeguard their deer rifles and duck shotguns.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1140248

 

[effengee]

I honestly didn't mean to offend...

Perhaps labeling and using generalisations to describe the Elmer Fudd's was a bit of stereotyping... I will not say prejudicial, because i am so seriously not.

However, Elmer is not just some crusty old guy in a dusty shop who scoffs at me for wanting surplus 7.62X39mm ammo or at my wife for even daring to speak to his Highness about firearms... Sometimes, it's another gun owner who thinks they're gun is superior to any and all other guns.

I accept all of you as my brothers and sisters in arms. I may not always agree with you all about everything, but I'm pretty sure that if the proverbial feces struck the fan, we'd be standing side by side to face the evil horde.

I just ask that my wife and I be treated like customers who have the real potential to make your day a bit more profitable and all we ask in return is a bit of courtesy and genuine customer service...

Respectfully,
Mr. and Mrs. effengee

 

[mp510]

Not long ago, my wife and I went to a large retail gunshop in upstate VT fully intent on purchasing a firearm.
We walked out less than a minute later, sans guns, due to the Elmer behind the counter who actually huffed at my wife when she asked to see a .44 revolver in the cabinet... "What's a woman want with a gun like that?" was all he needed to say to make my wife and I leave, never to do business there ever again...

While the seller should have had more tact, I actually agree with him questioning the customer on this one. That situation has straw purchase written all over it. Very few women would be interested in (or could control) .44 Rem Mag handguns. That question could serve as a valuable screen for protecting public safety. There is actually a publication aimed at FFLs that actually recommends questioning potential purchases that look unusual- I'm almost positive that this exact situation is described in one of the vignettes.

 

[effengee]

My wife would argue the point of her interest and ability to control the .44 with you, but I'm afraid her words for you would not be kind...

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

I have found "Elmer Fudd" to be another term for a know it all, a fathead, a curmudgeon or a "dude with an attitude". The "Fudds" I have met were all loudmouthed, arrogant, conceited, bad mannered, bigoted, egotistical and the very people who give gun owners a bad rep.

 

[mp510]

My wife would argue the point of her interest and ability to control the .44 with you, but I'm afraid her words for you would not be kind...

I'm not saying that she can't (and, it would have been really cool for her to give him that one-up). I'm just saying that if I were in his position, I would probably have had some questions (just not as ill presented as he).

 

[MarkDozier]

wife should have - but thr guy the gun that should could out shot him with it. He would haved dumped his drawers when he was doing paperwork fo \r the gun he lost and the money too.

 

[HD Fboy]

One gun shop I have frequented over the years has the very nice young lady behind the counter. [Really not HR material] always has a pistol stuck in the small of her back. She isn't too cute but she very pleasant to look at. They also have an older gentleman with very small hands. Between these 2 they service every woman that walks in the door.

There use to be another shop, he always had some really cool collectable firearms. They always carried a price of double the current value. He wouldn't even let you handle one of these guns unless you had recently bought another gun from him.

Different business models I guess!

 

[Sam1911]

wife should have - but thr guy the gun that should could out shot him with it. He would haved dumped his drawers when he was doing paperwork fo \r the gun he lost and the money too.

WHAT? Try again? Sober this time!

 

[oneounceload]

I have found "Elmer Fudd" to be another term for a know it all, a fathead, a curmudgeon or a "dude with an attitude". The "Fudds" I have met were all loudmouthed, arrogant, conceited, bad mannered, bigoted, egotistical and the very people who give gun owners a bad rep.

Take out "gun owners" and substitute the name of ANY group or organization - I see it more in organized religions than I do with gun folks

 

[NMGonzo]

Reminds me of a surfer, skiier, jeeper, dirt biker ...

 

[PRM]

Yep ~ seen several over time. My wife was wanting to look at a gun in one shop a few years back and the owner would not even talk to her. He was asking me what she was looking for in a gun??? We left.

We have a local shop that I have all but quit going to on account of the owners son. I ordered a gun through them and when it came in the firearm was defective. Lock up was loose and sloppy. I told him I would not accept the gun because it was defective. I got a tirade about how much of a problem I was causing. I was told, that he had shot a lot of guns in his time (21 year old) that did not lock up and they were OK.

Also, you usually get an attitude if you inquire about something that doesn't have a caliber starting with a .4. Most of my purchases are now done through the internet.

Life is short and there are too many other options available to try and deal with some people.

I have found "Elmer Fudd" to be another term for a know it all, a fathead, a curmudgeon or a "dude with an attitude". The "Fudds" I have met were all loudmouthed, arrogant, conceited, bad mannered, bigoted, egotistical and the very people who give gun owners a bad rep. ~ BLACKHAWKNJ

Well said.

 

[deacon8]

Haha, I'm almost with him on the black plastic thing. Unlike a classic, 1970 Chevelle SS, I don't like guns black and/or "chromy."

 

[Walkalong]

Sssshhhhhhhh, I am hunting wabbits.

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I used to wonder why folks liked AK's. I didn't see the use or attraction, but then I bought one and now I know why. Heck, they're lots of fun. Nah, I didn't really "need" it, but that is one of the great things about a free country. I don't have to need it.

 

[kva47]

Ah, Fudds. When I went shopping for my first centerfire rifle, the guy behind the counter tried to push me into buying a bolt action .243. When I told him that I wanted a semi-auto plinker, he audibly scoffed at me and asked if I wanted it so I could play soldier. :banghead:

I left and bought an SKS at the next gun show.

 

[Cap'n Jack Burntbeard]

A fine example of Mr Fudd is a young man I hunt with, he owns a self loading .30-06 "hunting rifle".
This fall I brought my new PTR-91 (with wood furniture on it), he nearly had an aneurysm, he asked me "if I was planning on hunting Nazis with it".
When I calmly explained that it was a clone of a G-3, and that it had nothing to do with WWII or Nazi Germany, He said "whatever, that thing is a terrorist rifle"
The sad thing is, the guy is an excellent hunter, he just has no understanding of firearms beyond what his father taught him, nor does he have the desire to learn more.

 

[ironhead7544]

Ive run into a few Fudds over the years. I point out that a 12 ga duck gun is a much better street gun than an AK. Why? The AK has a 30 shot magazine. The 12 ga duck gun can fire 30 .33 cal bullets with 2 shots. Which would be better for a drive by? Also, Fidel Castro said the best weapons for revolution was the 12 ga pump with OO buckshot. He ought to know.