throdgrain
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Because it was YEARS AND YEARS ago.
England Called: They Want Their Guns Back!
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throdgrain
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Yes the difference is we vote for our leaders, but head of state is someone who is born to do the job, and yet has no power.
In your country people spend millions and millions to get to power. Which is right?
This, anyway, has NOTHING to DO with this ancient video clip, about people protesting about the fox hunting ban (yes thats actually what it was about).
LightningJoe
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England is well on its way to its peculiar demise. America is, too, but its end will be slightly different.
Gun ownership has nothing to do with either. Differential fertility, group solidarity, and outgroup animus will dominate the next several centuries in the formerly Western world.
Gun ownership has nothing to do with either. Differential fertility, group solidarity, and outgroup animus will dominate the next several centuries in the formerly Western world.
Hoplophile
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I can't believe others in this community would damn the British, our brothers and sisters, a society with culture, who stared Hitler in the face and made him crap himself at night. Are they at fault for the laws? Yeah, they are, but they're waking up.
I hope those people get their rights back. They deserve them. Every human being does, self-defense is a basic human right, even for "idiot brit liberals".
I hope those people get their rights back. They deserve them. Every human being does, self-defense is a basic human right, even for "idiot brit liberals".
NonConformist
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Hey Hoplophile, have you seen how people act on gunboards about rights? Many of them are flat against some.
Arfcom has 'em, Here we have some, most everywhere. So are you really surprised?
Arfcom has 'em, Here we have some, most everywhere. So are you really surprised?
James T Thomas
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It there is any of the "pluck" remaining in the people of our once stauch ally, then it is not too late.
Winston Churchill said it. "Never ever give up!" "We shall fight them in the streets, we shall fight them....
Go England!
It there is any of the "pluck" remaining in the people of our once stauch ally, then it is not too late.
Winston Churchill said it. "Never ever give up!" "We shall fight them in the streets, we shall fight them....
Go England!
NonConformist
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And then they threw all their supplied guns into the channel
ArfinGreebly
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Limey Bashing
The populace of GB has lived to rue the consequences of their inaction.
I weep for them.
I hold no anger for the British. I hope they can recover some measure of liberty and dignity before they are terraformed into something else.
Been a while since I had to slap someone for insulting the British, so if you're looking for a little interaction with a moderator, please continue with the "Limey bashing."
I'll be happy to accommodate you.
While we're at it, I wonder what would happen if each gun-owning American were to sponsor the immigration of a single gun-friendly Briton to our shores?
I recently sponsored a gun-loving Dane to this country.
It can be done.
Of course, I'm sure there are thousands of Britons made of stern enough stuff that they would be loathe to surrender the field to the socialists, and who plan to be active in the restoration of liberty in that island nation.
I wish them the best.
If they win, we all win.
And, of course, there's always Australia.
Much to be done there, too.
The populace of GB has lived to rue the consequences of their inaction.
I weep for them.
I hold no anger for the British. I hope they can recover some measure of liberty and dignity before they are terraformed into something else.
Been a while since I had to slap someone for insulting the British, so if you're looking for a little interaction with a moderator, please continue with the "Limey bashing."
I'll be happy to accommodate you.
While we're at it, I wonder what would happen if each gun-owning American were to sponsor the immigration of a single gun-friendly Briton to our shores?
I recently sponsored a gun-loving Dane to this country.
It can be done.
Of course, I'm sure there are thousands of Britons made of stern enough stuff that they would be loathe to surrender the field to the socialists, and who plan to be active in the restoration of liberty in that island nation.
I wish them the best.
If they win, we all win.
And, of course, there's always Australia.
Much to be done there, too.
Not to come in after the Mod, but what is the deal with the anti-English sentiment here? What is it they did to deserve the raw deal they got?
I would think gun people here would have some sympathy. I'm pretty well versed on the world sit-rep, and last I checked, they were allies. I would say alot of the crap they are going through is coming to a town near you soon.
And to my British friends, Diana Rigg is scrumptious.
I would think gun people here would have some sympathy. I'm pretty well versed on the world sit-rep, and last I checked, they were allies. I would say alot of the crap they are going through is coming to a town near you soon.
And to my British friends, Diana Rigg is scrumptious.
Stevie-Ray
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I really don't think it's too late for the Brits. What they need is far more demonstrations like this, and the more they are seen, the more will join in. It will take time, but I think they can still do it. Meanwhile they need to be working on the idiots of their country (like ours in this country) that see the facts and yet turn a blind eye, or are simply too slow in understanding, and the elitists that hear the anguish of the people, but their station allows them to ignore it. To be sure, though, even if they regain their gun rights, they will find as we have, that it is a never ending battle to hold onto them. I wish them the best in their fight.
Cosmoline
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I believe that video is several years old. They lost, of course. But the problems of the UK's hunting traditions are deeper than any gun rights debate. Because of centuries of discriminatory laws and the feudal land allocation, ordinary people in the UK were barred from hunting. They were deemed poachers and punished, or killed with mantraps. The ruling class kept the rights and privileges to themselves, until the government finally took them away completely.
My parents were born in England, most of my family are still there, and I'm a dual Canadian/British citizen.
The common folk over there are horrified about the situation they are forced to live with every day now, and still there are some people who think passing more laws will solve the problem, because it makes them "feel" like the government is doing something.
Maybe instead of looking at the Brits with disgust, we need to a) learn from the error of their ways before it happens here, and b) do everything we can to support the common people over there who are sick to death of the cluster-f*ck their elected officials have brought about with the last 20 years of legislation.
Those folks are like us in many ways, only difference is they traded their rights for a little security; now they have neither.
The common folk over there are horrified about the situation they are forced to live with every day now, and still there are some people who think passing more laws will solve the problem, because it makes them "feel" like the government is doing something.
Maybe instead of looking at the Brits with disgust, we need to a) learn from the error of their ways before it happens here, and b) do everything we can to support the common people over there who are sick to death of the cluster-f*ck their elected officials have brought about with the last 20 years of legislation.
Those folks are like us in many ways, only difference is they traded their rights for a little security; now they have neither.
throdgrain
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Thanks for the comments after my post. I was beginning to think all hope was gone
We still shoot in this country folks. It's 8am here as I write this, it's POURING with rain outside and Im just off in an hour or so to shoot 100 sporting clays, god help me
Just for the record - the recent laws (in the last 20 years) have removed;
Handguns alltogether , which the exception on Northern Ireland (can't imagine why...) and a few small places like the Isle of Man, I dont really know why.
Semi-auto rifles bigger than .22 calibre.
Shotgun magazines of more than 2+1 capacity.
People still own pump action and semi-auto shotguns, but they are limited to 2+1 unless you have a firearms certificate (which I dont) in which case they can be anything you like. They can still own M16/M4 or AK47 or whatever, but it has to be converted to straight-pull, i.e cycling each round indiviually. This is rubbish by the way
As far as living in the U.S.A goes, well the older I get the more I'd like to, not in the East or the West, but in the country where things are more traditional. But it's not an easy thing to do, and anyway, I love my country, and I still dream of getting things sorted out here. We have much more to worry about re Islam than gun control, though I think that is the same the world over.
We still shoot in this country folks. It's 8am here as I write this, it's POURING with rain outside and Im just off in an hour or so to shoot 100 sporting clays, god help me
Just for the record - the recent laws (in the last 20 years) have removed;
Handguns alltogether , which the exception on Northern Ireland (can't imagine why...) and a few small places like the Isle of Man, I dont really know why.
Semi-auto rifles bigger than .22 calibre.
Shotgun magazines of more than 2+1 capacity.
People still own pump action and semi-auto shotguns, but they are limited to 2+1 unless you have a firearms certificate (which I dont) in which case they can be anything you like. They can still own M16/M4 or AK47 or whatever, but it has to be converted to straight-pull, i.e cycling each round indiviually. This is rubbish by the way
As far as living in the U.S.A goes, well the older I get the more I'd like to, not in the East or the West, but in the country where things are more traditional. But it's not an easy thing to do, and anyway, I love my country, and I still dream of getting things sorted out here. We have much more to worry about re Islam than gun control, though I think that is the same the world over.
leadcounsel
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The last two times the Brits tried to take away American citizens rights they got stomped.
I for one won't stand down to an international committee that says we can't own guns.
As for gun ownership and costs in Britain, I went shooting there with a mate. We took his two shotguns to a private clay range and it cost a small fortune for shells and clay targets. I remember it was about 3 or 4 times what it would cost in the states.
I for one won't stand down to an international committee that says we can't own guns.
As for gun ownership and costs in Britain, I went shooting there with a mate. We took his two shotguns to a private clay range and it cost a small fortune for shells and clay targets. I remember it was about 3 or 4 times what it would cost in the states.
throdgrain
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Yean I want my own back on the Romans too. They invaded in 55BC !!
Cannonball888
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At 11 seconds into the video did anyone notice the man who said "Liberty is the word" He is Edward Fox, the British actor from Force 10 from Navarone, A Bridge Too Far, The Day of the Jackal. It's a shame that no one in Hollyweird will openly speak out against any anti-gun legislation.
yokel
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Most people, like water, choose the easiest path. It is much easier to just go along to get along. Some talk of standing strong, but very few actually do it.
By definition, when we accept, submit or yield to the unconscionable, immoral or unlawful conduct of government or its commercial affiliates, we become partners, accomplices, co-conspirators; or at the very least, an accessory to the crime. As Harold Thomas asked in The Myth of the Innocent Civilian, “Do citizens have a moral responsibility to pay attention? To be informed? To act? At what point do citizens become accomplices to the illegal or immoral actions of their government? The Creator gave his children ears to hear, eyes to see, and minds to reason. How long can a people fail to recognize that which sounds, looks, and figures to be gross evil? How much smoke would have to be in the atmosphere before people could be considered irresponsible for not finding and putting out the fire?”
But we are not taught to be firemen. Quite the opposite. Compliance is a major part of our social conditioning. Compliance begins with our parenting and is furthered in the education system. Then media and other programming takes over.
wacki
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Anyone have a more mainstream news article about this rally? I'd love to believe everything in this video but I prefer a higher standard of documentation than some random youtube video. Plus I'm still very very skeptical that this was the largest peaceful protest in UK history.
It doesn't really matter because they have no guns!
The IRA 'terrorists' used guns against the British for a long time, they eventualy got a country.
The British gun owners peacefuly turned thiers in, are now limited to ineffective arms, and by turning them in demonstrated they will willingly do even what they feel strongly against if it is made law.
Why would you care what people who have demonstrated that think if they are a minority that can be outvoted? You wouldn't, they really have no say, and they pose no threat.
Now if they are the IRA refusing to follow what you make law, well then you might actualy have to listen to them even if you don't want to.
You might actualy concede some things (while trying to save face, and not let it appear they won) even to a minority the people of the UK could democraticly outvote. They have arms, they have spirit, and they won't give up just because you pass a law with a 5, 10, 20 or even life sentence punishment.
The same can be said for the Muslims imposing Sharia in that nation. They get crazy and start blowing things up, so the government cares whether they percieve themselves to be mistreated. They don't care what the common law abiding regular British subject that wishes to own adequate firearms thinks. They pose no threat.
It is funny, for a nation that gives an image of being one of the most 'civil' on earth, they listen more to those that can use force than those that will sit down and talk to them without any threat of force.
In the end it often does come back to who has the guns (and other arms.) The founding fathers of America wanted them in the hands of the people. Most governments want them in the hands of only those working for them who have sworn an oath to them, ie police and military. Thier enforcers.
You are not going to take on well trained SAS with your 2-3 round capacity shotguns loaded with birdshot or even consider it, and they know it. Why would they care what you think? They will just pass a law to deal with you, and you will obey.
Dutchman01
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We've elected a democratic congress are are about to elect a democratic president. It's too late here too....
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