FINALLY!!!!!!! It's about time!

[D.B. Cooper]

How many decades did it take for Beretta to finally figure this out!?

They just announced the Beretta 92GTS, a Beretta 92 with a frame-mounted safety/decocker and in DA/SA on an aluminum frame. Yes, they released a gun a year or two back with a frame-mounted safety, but it's a "Performance" model and $1600. With an MSRP price of $800 (I can live with that), the only drawback I can see on this gun is that stupid, straight-backed, Vertex style grip. (Supposedly there is some sort of aftermarket wrap-around grip that will mimmic the curved back strap of the 92FS. I mean, the best possible scenario would have been an exact copy of the 92FS/M9 but with the safety in the proper place (the frame). In any case, I'm pretty excited.

Beretta's First Frame Safety Double Action: The 92 GTS "Twin Sear"

At Beretta Range Day at SHOT Show 2024, @Hoplopfheil checked out the new Beretta 92XI GTS "Twin Safety," which adds double action capability back to the 92X...

www.youtube.com

 

[9mmepiphany]

a Beretta 92 with a frame-mounted safety/decocker and in DA/SA on an aluminum frame.

Sort of a false hype when saying it's the "first", as the original Beretta 92 had a frame mounted thumb safety...it was rebranded to Taurus when they bought the Beretta factory in Brazil.

I do like this thumb safety shape better as it's the same as used on the Performance model, which is very nice... and well worth the money for it's intended purpose

 

[JTQ]

For clarity, I believe it is a decocker only. It is not a manual safety.

Beretta 92GTS Full Size Standard

<p>Experience the next generation of the Beretta 92 series with the Beretta 92GTS Full Size. Seamlessly blending legacy and innovation, this pistol features Twin Sear Technology, DLC trigger components, and an optic-ready slide for unparalleled performance.</p>

www.beretta.com

On the other hand, the 92X Performance guns don't have a decocker, just a manual safety.

 

[hoardingthemanual]

Wow. It's great to see a classic evolve.

 

[AlexanderA]

For clarity, I believe it is a decocker only. It is not a manual safety.

The current Taurus PT92 has a decocker plus a manual safety, at half the price of this Beretta.

 

[9mmepiphany]

For clarity, I believe it is a decocker only. It is not a manual safety.

On the other hand, the 92X Performance guns don't have a decocker, just a manual safety.

I guess I posted too fast.

The newest from Beretta is a bit different from the original thumb safety of the 92.

It is a dual function lever. When the hammer is cocked, pushing up on the lever de-cocks it to half-cock. You need to thumb cock it to full cock to carry the pistol in Condition 1. From that position releasing the thumb safety allows you to fire the first shot in SA

 

[JTQ]

I don't think there is a safety function to the lever. I don't think it is a "Condition 1" gun because there is no safety lever. I'm pretty sure it is a DA/SA gun with a frame mounted decocker that decocks with an upward movement.

There could be more details that I haven't seen, but the information that I've seen so far indicates it is just DA/SA with a frame mounted decocker and no manual safety.

 

[JTQ]

From the Beretta link above...

• Ambidextrous frame mounted Type G configuration lever for safe hammer decocking (Type G – Double Action/Single Action, Decocker Only). The 92GTS features a twin sear design that allows the end user to decock the hammer to a half-cocked position safely each time.

 

[W.E.G.]

Ambi all the things I guess.

But did they need to make it large enough to land a 747?

 

[9mmepiphany]

I don't think there is a safety function to the lever. I don't think it is a "Condition 1" gun because there is no safety lever. I'm pretty sure it is a DA/SA gun with a frame mounted decocker that decocks with an upward movement.

There could be more details that I haven't seen, but the information that I've seen so far indicates it is just DA/SA with a frame mounted decocker and no manual safety.

I rewatched the video again and I think you are correct. When the lever is actuated it drops the hammer to half-cock but then snaps back down.

Now I'm highly disappointed at their even calling it a safety lever.

I've handled the Performance models and the thumb safety works really well...too bad they didn't incorporate it into this model

 

[9mmepiphany]

But did they need to make it large enough to land a 747?

It's the same lever as on the Performance model. The extension, on the back, is meant to act as a thumb shield...what 1911 guys used to call "mud flaps"

 

[JTQ]

The current Taurus PT92 has a decocker plus a manual safety, at half the price of this Beretta.

Beretta already offers the M9/92FS/92A1/92X with a decocker and a manual safety. This is a different gun that gives the user a different option.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Interesting that they say a regular 92 upper will actually fit and function with this frame. As the rep says, a bit silly, but you could have both frame AND slide safeties!

I'm tempted to get one just to play mix and match with all my other 92s....

 

[9mmepiphany]

Interesting that they say a regular 92 upper will actually fit and function with this frame. As the rep says, a bit silly, but you could have both frame AND slide safeties

I'm thinking in case you have slide in a different caliber or didn't want to shoot with the red dot you'd have mounted on this one, it would be a quick switch

 

[D.B. Cooper]

For clarity, I believe it is a decocker only. It is not a manual safety.

Beretta 92GTS Full Size Standard

<p>Experience the next generation of the Beretta 92 series with the Beretta 92GTS Full Size. Seamlessly blending legacy and innovation, this pistol features Twin Sear Technology, DLC trigger components, and an optic-ready slide for unparalleled performance.</p>

www.beretta.com

On the other hand, the 92X Performance guns don't have a decocker, just a manual safety.

Yeah, the "G" in the model number is a give away. Guess I got a little too excited on this one. (Although, Gunsite Academy teaches to carrythe 92F with safety off at all times, so...)

I'm pretty sure the 92X guns are Single Action only, though.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Now I'm highly disappointed...

Me too. I wonder what it's going to take to get Beretta to get their act together on this and build a DA/SA 92 with a safety on the frame. How hard is that? I mean, Springfield Armory did it on their XDE.

I've often said that the slide mounted safety issue is just a training issue...but I'm really getting tired of training for that when a grip mounted safety would just be so much easier.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

The current Taurus PT92 has a decocker plus a manual safety, at half the price of this Beretta.

Yeah but then you have Taurus. (Although, the one I had in the 90s was actually quite good. Don't think I'll own another, though.)

 

[JTQ]

I'm pretty sure the 92X guns are Single Action only, though.

You need to be clear on the 92X you're talking about.

The 92X Performance Carry and 92X Performance Defensive are single action only. Edit to add: this is incorrect, they are DA/SA with a frame mounted safety, but no decocker. They can be carried cocked and locked though. The 92XI is single action only.

92X Performance Carry Optic

The Beretta 92X Performance is uncompromising and aims for top performance, offering competitive shooters one of the most reliable operating systems. Find out more!

www.beretta.com

92X Performance Defensive Pistol

The Beretta 92X Performance is uncompromising and aims for top performance, offering competitive shooters one of the most reliable operating systems. Find out more!

www.beretta.com

The 92X can be had as a G (decocker only) or F (safety/decocker)

Beretta 92X RDO Full Size

The new 92X RDO semi-auto pistol continues the evolution of an iconic series that delivers the unmatched performance modern shooters demand. Learn More!

www.beretta.com

 

[D.B. Cooper]

You need to be clear on the 92X you're talking about.

The 92X Performance Carry and 92X Performance Defensive are single action only.

92X Performance Carry Optic

The Beretta 92X Performance is uncompromising and aims for top performance, offering competitive shooters one of the most reliable operating systems. Find out more!

www.beretta.com

92X Performance Defensive Pistol

The Beretta 92X Performance is uncompromising and aims for top performance, offering competitive shooters one of the most reliable operating systems. Find out more!

www.beretta.com

The 92X can be had as a G (decocker only) or F (safety/decocker)

Beretta 92X RDO Full Size

The new 92X RDO semi-auto pistol continues the evolution of an iconic series that delivers the unmatched performance modern shooters demand. Learn More!

www.beretta.com

Those guns are all slide-mounted safety levers.

I've yet to see a Beretta 92 that is both DA/SA and a frame-mounted safety lever, and is an F model (an actual safety, not just a decocker (G model) Basically a Taurus 92/99 that's made by Beretta.

 

[bc1023]

The current Taurus PT92 has a decocker plus a manual safety, at half the price of this Beretta.

Yeah but it’s a Taurus.

Granted it’s their best gun, but it’s a Taurus. They need to be half the price. That’s their market

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Those guns are all slide-mounted safety levers.

I've yet to see a Beretta 92 that is both DA/SA and a frame-mounted safety lever, and is an F model (an actual safety, not just a decocker (G model) Basically a Taurus 92/99 that's made by Beretta.

Here ya go-


The very earliest 92s were exactly that. This is a REALLY early "step slide."

 

[JTQ]

Those guns are all slide-mounted safety levers.

The 92X Performance guns have frame mounted safety levers. They don't have a decocker, though.

I was clarifying the difference between the 92X models. Folks like to throw around "92X" terminology in a somewhat sloppy manner.

When somebody says 92X, they should mean the one with the slide mounted lever.

If they mean the frame mounted lever 92X, that would be one of the 92X Performance models, or perhaps the single action only 92XI, but the 92X has a slide mounted lever.

 

[doubleh]

I kind of like the grip design. Looks 1911ish and like the feel of a 1911.

I used to own a Taurus 92. It did what it what it was supposed to--every time. I eventually found something I wanted more and traded it in.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I used to own a Taurus 92. It did what it what it was supposed to--every time. I eventually found something I wanted more and traded it in.

Yeah, I'm basically a "Taurus-hater" but the only Taurus I ever personally owned (PT99) was a great gun. Never a problem, but with Taurus' inconsistency such that is, I'm afraid to roll the dice on another one, so I stick with Beretta. Just wish they'd figure out how to put the safety in the proper place.

 

[AlexanderA]

Here ya go-

The earliest Tauruses were exactly like that and they still, to this day, have the same safety lever. The Tauruses and Berettas began to diverge when both companies moved the mag release from the heel to behind the trigger guard. But they each did it in a slightly different way, so that the magazines are not interchangeable.