17poundr
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Hello everybody from Finland, after being a member of the Helsinki Shooting club for over a couple of years, I now am getting my first gun, it's going to be a 22lr, something that I wished wasnt so as I have rented mostly 9mm sig, and tried all kinds up to the .50 desert eagle. And anyway, when I did my national service in the army here, we did an MP course and shot a lot of practical style courses with our FN 9mm's. (My aim now is to get into practical shooting with a 9mm or .40, just shooting from 25m endlessly is getting boring, although I never stop wondering how fast one gets rusty)!
Anyway, I have narrowed my choise from the initial foursome of the cheaper Smith & Wesson 22, the Ruger 22 pistols, the Walther 22 long barrel (must be long barrel by law) and the Browning Buckmark, now the other three have all had constantly re occuring problems (which are these: S&W- some are unlucky factory guns and have misfeed and spring breakdown problems, sometimes this spring at the back goes after only a thousand rounds! The Walther too has similar unlucky models but not in any particular component, also the handle get's flak, and the Ruger is trustworthy but taking appart and especially assembling it seems to be hell for some, I do not like over complexity in putting a gun together having been raised on the SAKO rk-62 assault rifle which is as easy as a Kalashnikov to break down and clean)!
Yep, all have faults but the Browning, and now I saw a Buckmark plus for just 390 euros, the cheapest I have seen yet.
But, when I started looking, the Beretta Neos wasnt yet approved into Finland, now I noticed it was for sale for 470 euro, so please help a brother plinker to be out (I intend to make my own practical style plinking range at a friends summer cottage out of the way in the forrest) which of these would you choose? The tested and trusworthy Browning or the new and trendy Neos and why?
P.S. Happy to be here (list of guns I love: Sig226 9mm, Colt 1911 45apc, CZ 75 9mm, Colt python with 38specials loaded, and ofcourse the Suomi smg and the Finnish army's RK-62!)
(Guns that I would love to shoot: Armalite-ar 15 and some variants, the new S&W short 357 and 45apc revolvers and the Military-Police Pistol, a USP in any size, and the sig357 probably comaring it from a sig 'perhaps the new SAS line that they have come out with' and the Glock and the USP for comparison, a classic redux cowboy revolver with a hexagon style barrel perhaps the engraved casull calibre made from a Ruger,STI guns in general but especially the double stack five inch barrel competition pistol with a 20 round 9mm capacity! The new XD with 14 45's in the clip, a very fine custom made 1911 45apc where the gun writers always say the trigger is 'crisp', whatever it means it sounds like heaven! And ofcourse a whole bundle of other good pistols that I drool over in the magazines I read, Then other great looking guns like a Mossberg shotgun, the Ingram MAC-10 or mac-11, the ak-47 or 74 short, some of the exellent hunting rifles with the amazing scopes! (Although I am very much an 'iron scope' guy, still, a good socom style 308 and ofcourse THE classic 30 06 and a m-14 variant and some serious sniper rifles in 338 lapua and 50cal! You realize that even the handguns will be overcome by the new style optics like the revolution taking over the NATO forces now, at our range a guy had a pistol with a red disc on it (not a lazer mind you), but he saw a red dot in it and he couldnt miss from 25m standing up group after group all tight, while we using normal pistol sights had irregularities, some flyers and some fatigue 'loosening up' after about 70 rounds, I liked it in Latvia or in the army where the practice distance was 15m, I think that 25m is a bit more like the Olympic style of shooting and I wish that we got at least pop up and draw, or something to beef up the experience, well that is why I intend to get into practical asap.
I'll put some pictures of guns that l think are very cool. I have mostly military gun pics as they look most interesting, but here are some that are 'out of the norm' if you know that omni style of modern guns where even a gun enthusiast cannot tell them appart in tv series anymore! Well, I cant... Sigh... Do you agree that a competition practical style gun is actually a pretty good tactical self defence gun by default?
Ok, hope to hear from you all, bye!
Anyway, I have narrowed my choise from the initial foursome of the cheaper Smith & Wesson 22, the Ruger 22 pistols, the Walther 22 long barrel (must be long barrel by law) and the Browning Buckmark, now the other three have all had constantly re occuring problems (which are these: S&W- some are unlucky factory guns and have misfeed and spring breakdown problems, sometimes this spring at the back goes after only a thousand rounds! The Walther too has similar unlucky models but not in any particular component, also the handle get's flak, and the Ruger is trustworthy but taking appart and especially assembling it seems to be hell for some, I do not like over complexity in putting a gun together having been raised on the SAKO rk-62 assault rifle which is as easy as a Kalashnikov to break down and clean)!
Yep, all have faults but the Browning, and now I saw a Buckmark plus for just 390 euros, the cheapest I have seen yet.
But, when I started looking, the Beretta Neos wasnt yet approved into Finland, now I noticed it was for sale for 470 euro, so please help a brother plinker to be out (I intend to make my own practical style plinking range at a friends summer cottage out of the way in the forrest) which of these would you choose? The tested and trusworthy Browning or the new and trendy Neos and why?
P.S. Happy to be here (list of guns I love: Sig226 9mm, Colt 1911 45apc, CZ 75 9mm, Colt python with 38specials loaded, and ofcourse the Suomi smg and the Finnish army's RK-62!)
(Guns that I would love to shoot: Armalite-ar 15 and some variants, the new S&W short 357 and 45apc revolvers and the Military-Police Pistol, a USP in any size, and the sig357 probably comaring it from a sig 'perhaps the new SAS line that they have come out with' and the Glock and the USP for comparison, a classic redux cowboy revolver with a hexagon style barrel perhaps the engraved casull calibre made from a Ruger,STI guns in general but especially the double stack five inch barrel competition pistol with a 20 round 9mm capacity! The new XD with 14 45's in the clip, a very fine custom made 1911 45apc where the gun writers always say the trigger is 'crisp', whatever it means it sounds like heaven! And ofcourse a whole bundle of other good pistols that I drool over in the magazines I read, Then other great looking guns like a Mossberg shotgun, the Ingram MAC-10 or mac-11, the ak-47 or 74 short, some of the exellent hunting rifles with the amazing scopes! (Although I am very much an 'iron scope' guy, still, a good socom style 308 and ofcourse THE classic 30 06 and a m-14 variant and some serious sniper rifles in 338 lapua and 50cal! You realize that even the handguns will be overcome by the new style optics like the revolution taking over the NATO forces now, at our range a guy had a pistol with a red disc on it (not a lazer mind you), but he saw a red dot in it and he couldnt miss from 25m standing up group after group all tight, while we using normal pistol sights had irregularities, some flyers and some fatigue 'loosening up' after about 70 rounds, I liked it in Latvia or in the army where the practice distance was 15m, I think that 25m is a bit more like the Olympic style of shooting and I wish that we got at least pop up and draw, or something to beef up the experience, well that is why I intend to get into practical asap.
I'll put some pictures of guns that l think are very cool. I have mostly military gun pics as they look most interesting, but here are some that are 'out of the norm' if you know that omni style of modern guns where even a gun enthusiast cannot tell them appart in tv series anymore! Well, I cant... Sigh... Do you agree that a competition practical style gun is actually a pretty good tactical self defence gun by default?
Ok, hope to hear from you all, bye!