henschman
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If you can afford a Colt, you can afford a PSA that is built to all the same specs AND comes with an Aimpoint PRO red dot sight, which is ideal for home defense.
Persuader12
I would refrain from recommending any AR for home defense, without knowing what type of residence you plan to lawfully defend. Most justifiable shootings are CQB where your namesake shotgun or a pistol caliber weapon would fit in better.
Persuader12
I would refrain from recommending any AR for home defense, without knowing what type of residence you plan to lawfully defend. Most justifiable shootings are CQB where your namesake shotgun or a pistol caliber weapon would fit in better.
Colt or BCM.
Failing that, S&W.
Failing that, PSA.
I'd definitely rank a PSA rifle a few notches above S&W.
I've lost count of how many people I've taken 5 minutes to show how to maneuver a carbine in close quarters and thereby dispelled that myth.Save the drama. A pistol caliber weapon most of the time is just that, a handgun. It is easier to maneuver in confined quarters.
An 18" bbl shotgun is no faster into action than a 16" bbl carbine. A shotgun can be used to cover a wider area, or it can be used with slugs or tight patterning buck shot to offer greater precision. Covering a wide area is great for wing shooting, but it's a poor idea for defensive uses. For defensive use of a shotgun you want as many pellets as possible to impact center mass to maximize terminal ballistics. You also want a tight pattern so you can hit the threat and avoid collateral damage. A 5.56 NATO / .223 Rem semi-auto carbine, 7.62x39 carbine SA, or 5.45x39 SA carbine (to name the most common intermediate rounds) will offer superior terminal ballistics to any buckshot load, and far less over penetration against almost all barriers with proper ammo selection. Such a semi-auto carbine will also provide faster follow up shots than any 12 or 20 gauge shotgun, pump or semi-auto.A short barrel shotgun covers more area, and is very quick in action. You don't think so, fine by me.
It's not pompous chatter. It's a combination of training, practice, and understanding terminal ballistics. This isn't a pissing contest. These are repeatable results.I don't know the specific situation to recommend just this or that rifle. If you think you do, it's pompous chatter.
What I'm looking for is a basic AR for home defense in case TSHTF. I wouldn't use it for HD now because it's not as "court friendly" as a shotgun. But if/when the country collapses along with all law and order and we're all on our own (am I pessimistic or what?) then it's the time when most people agree that an AR is the better thing to have on hand than a shotgun.
A short barrel shotgun covers more area, and is very quick in action. You don't think so, fine by me.
Save the drama.
You hyperventilate over nothing. I don't like the ninja attitude of getting armed with a tactical rifle to "defend" one's apartment. Perhaps I missed the original reference to SHTF, because normally I wouldn't even go there. I told OP what I think, not as a fact but as an opinion. Tell him why I am wrong, let him decide.A decent patterning shotgun with 9 pellet 00 buck will have a pattern that covers a few inches at most reasonable home defense distances. Yes that "covers more area" but it is nearly negligible. Further in real life one better being doing their best to put all 9 pellets on target since everyone that is not is a liability.
See for example these patterns at 12 feet:
what drama? Explaining why you are factually incorrect in what you are saying.
You hyperventilate over nothing. I don't like the ninja attitude of getting armed with a tactical rifle to "defend" one's apartment. Perhaps I missed the original reference to SHTF, because normally I wouldn't even go there. I told OP what I think, not as a fact but as an opinion. Tell him why I am wrong, let him decide.
I told OP what I think, not as a fact but as an opinion.
I would refrain from recommending any AR for home defense, without knowing what type of residence you plan to lawfully defend. What is not clear.
The Soviet 5.45x39 round came into being as an answer to the 5.56 NATO round. The 5.45x39 has virtually the same terminal ballistics as 5.56 NATO when both are loaded with JHP or polymer tip bullets of similar weight and construction.I tend to keep my ak74 for home defense.... and dont worry about overpenetration one bit
Get a milspec rifle. Walmart sells Colts for just over 1k.
Persuader12
I would refrain from recommending any AR for home defense, without knowing what type of residence you plan to lawfully defend. Most justifiable shootings are CQB where your namesake shotgun or a pistol caliber weapon would fit in better.
I wish people would quit with the "not as court friendly" stuff.
You are FAR better off knowing the laws in your jurisdiction with respect to justifiable use of deadly force than worrying about what is or is not "court friendly".
Bottom line is that if you're not justified in using deadly force in whatever scenario you happen to be in, then it doesn't matter one bit what kind of weapon you shot another human being with.
That's weird. Maybe it wasn't a standard 6920? I've seen them here locally recently for 1050 for the normal and 1150 for the Magpul edition. I know the SOCOM model is like 1400. I doubt Walmart would have that big of a difference in price at different locations.I just took another look at the Colt at Walmart by me today. I've heard they used to cost $900 before the panic, then went way up, then back down to $990 here. Last I saw it cost $1137. Today, I checked it out again and it costs $1497. This is the Colt LE6920. So much for the burst of the AR bubble.
Today, I checked it out again and it costs $1497. This is the Colt LE6920. So much for the burst of the AR bubble.