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The girl knowingly brought what she knew or should have known to be contraband onto campus in violation of signed for school policy and codified sate law
Do you disagree?
Do you disagree?
You teach her that there are different rules for different places, and it's going to be that way for the rest of her life just as it has been for all of our lives and our parents livesHow do you teach your child to ignore the individualism-crushing effects of school, but retain the knowledge?
But how does that infantilize the population as a whole?I disagree with Mannix...
Here is what actually should have happened...
1. Girl is cutting steak
2. Teacher/staff member see steak being cut; thus the knife is not a threat to those who are not the steak
3. Girl finishes steak; wipes off knife
4. Girl puts knife back in bag; goes home and puts in dish washer
The girl knowingly brought what she knew or should have known to be contraband onto campus in violation of signed for school policy and codified sate law
Do you disagree?
Is her eating solid food instead of Insure a matter of medical necessity?Is cutting her meat with a knife instead of a spoon a matter of medical necessity?
I'll bet Hitler wrote Mein Kampf with a pen or pencil. School children shouldn't be allowed to have pens or pencils lest they write racist screeds that start genocidal wars. Zero tolerance!A knife is a tool; what makes it a "weapon" is intended use.
(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon, including a razor blade, box cutter, or knife, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop
The rules are in place...the rules were violated.
Try reading it again, you skimmed over part of itSo when exactly did lunch stop being a "school-sanctioned activity"?
except as authorized
Wasn't exactly the question, butI'll take what I can get hereNo. Nobody disagrees that the child broke a written law
No weapons on campus is a bad law?However, the law is unjust and should be repealed or rethought
.Wanna wager on what the wording in the school policy book was?No appeal, no consideration of circumstances; the child is sent home for two days
Would that be the anti steak knife coalition?The antis don't want "different rules for different places"
The Florida legislature modified the wording of the "weapons" statutes (Chapter 790) to further define a knife. This was because some criminals beat concealed weapon charges for carrying meat cleavers and the like. The intent was not to turn an ordinary culinary tool into a classified weapon.
This was changed during the 2005/2006 legislative session and the new "extended" definition of knife to not include a common table knife or a plastic knife. This was more than likely due to some unpopular cases in 2004 on which the 4th District Court of Appeals overturned in 2007 even!
So the history of the law is that this was a knee jerk political response to the police being unable to prosecute or arrest someone for carrying a common table utensil! In the end, it all comes down to the purpose of the "weapon" Otherwise, I need to get rid of all my steak knives in my home. (I have a CWFL, so I guess I don't have to.)
So, is it just easy to say that she should have known it is a weapon... or, did she and her parents think it was a utensil!!! It is like saying that the little league baseball player knew his bat was a weapon, when he brought it to school to play baseball.
Let me help this thread out by offering some actual (read... real) case law about this topic...
Under the undisputed facts, the steak knife may be a dirk, or an innocent household item. But that determination is one for the finder of fact based on a consideration of the circumstances, for example, the manner in which it was carried, how [accessible] it was to the accused, its purpose, or the accused's motive for carrying it, and its ability to cause harm to another.
Reference: Walthour, 876 So. 2d at 597
also see...
Reference: Coultas v. State, —So.2d—, (4DCA 2007)
Your pointI resubmit my thread from TFL where I ask members to give me there lawful carrying of guns in school stories.
What they never seem to grasp is that if there were no school shootings and/or we had not suffered the social decline that we have experienced over the last couple or so decades there might still be guns allowed in schools