Full-size 32 ACP

[barnetmill]

here is a pardini fullsize .32

 

[Dunross]

Worthy of consideration is the Zastava M70, .32 acp pistol. Available from surplus dealers at less than $200.00. They come full of cosmoline, are an all steel construction. They're a rugged strong pistol that shoots to point of aim and (mine) is reliable. Photo is of my Springfield Armory 1911 9mm compact, Star BM 9mm, and my Z 70 for size comparisons. A good thing about the .32s is that ammo still available.

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Dang, I thought I was done with these mouse guns with my Wife's Beretta 81 and my P32. Now I'm jonesing for one of these silly Zastavas! A full-size pistol in 32acp. I'm really sinking fast.

 

[Miami_JBT]

I have a Walther PP, a FN 1922, and a Beretta Model 81 in .32 ACP. Great guns and that CZ clone is interesting.

 

[Bergara-man]

The Full-Size Target pistol Grand Power Roxor in cal.380 ACP is made especially for the South American countries:

https://www.grandpowerusa.net/pistols/roxor/

The ROXOR is specially designed for South American countries, in which the 9×19 caliber is prohibited for civilian use, and all sport shooting competitions are shot with .380ACP (9×17 Browning short). The barrel is fixed. Target sights with fiber optic front sight.

Not available in 32 ACP though ..... :-(

 

[Bergara-man]

For reloading 32 ACP I have found bullets:

Hornady XTP 60 grains .311"
Hornady XTP 85 grains .312" (maybe a bit large diameter and heavy ?)

H & N 71 grains RN .309" copper-plated and plastic-coated Lead round nose: https://www.hn-sport.de/en/reloading/rn-309-71-gr-hs
(They show some reloading data as well).

Berrys Plated bullets 71 grains RN .312"

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[Mosin77]

The perceived loudness of .32 is much less than 9mm, to my ear. I wish that Tanfoglio was imported here!

 

[wanderinwalker]

This is as close as I can get to full size newer 32acp’s.
CZ83 just bought this year,
Bersa/Firestorm bought about 4 years ago for $200,
Beretta 81FS bought new in the box for a price so high that I could have bought three of the Beretta 81 imports ! I did get two of those also.

One not pictured is a Sig P230 in 32 acp, after the CZ and Beretta, it is my favorite to shoot. Also have a Beretta model 100 with the 5.9” barrel and it is a keeper for sure.


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Sir, great picture and pistols, but I believe you buried the lead admitting you have a "SIG P230 in .32 ACP"! Pictures? That particular pistol is a bit of a Grail gun for me, and I confess I may be willing to pay more than logic would dictate if a decent one ever crosses my path again. My mom had one back in the 90s and I haven't seen another one since.

As for shooting manners, I have also recently found myself on the .32 pistol bandwagon. For all of the talk about "effectiveness" for this or that scenario, when your pistols mostly just live in a safe in between trips to the range to plink steel and paper, the little .32s seem just about right. They're simply a lot of fun to shoot. And after carrying a modern Walther PPQ around daily the last 9 months, I'm also beginning to understand the wisdom in the size of the "badge of authority" small belt guns like the Walther PPs, Colt 1903s, SIG 230/232, Makarov, etc.

 

[lincen]

I’m away from home right now but here is a picture of my Sig P230. Been told they were made for a police department in Japan.....
Snatched this for $400 on a local trading forum. His price not mine !

 

[halfmoonclip]

licen, that is the twin of mine, and the same backstory. Guy at our local gunshows seems to have a stock of .32s; he sold me the 230 and a buddy a Ranger PPK. Yes, it is a neat pistol to shoot, tho' the safety makes it tough to get aftermarket grips.
Had stainless and blued examples in .380 in the past, and they shared at least some of the snappiness of PPKs.
Left unmentioned in this is the original (in .32) CZ Scorpion; not sure what the rules may be in Norway regarding SBRs or full auto. Mine is, of course, semi only, and I've gone the SBR route to install the OEM wire stock; like all PPCs, a stock makes it useful. It's fun to shoot.
There's enough barrel that threading it for a silencer shouldn't be hard.
For the OP, I reload .32s (easy peasy), but my data may not translate to Euro powder. Can you get Bullseye over there?
Moon

 

[.455_Hunter]

I’m away from home right now but here is a picture of my Sig P230. Been told they were made for a police department in Japan.....
Snatched this for $400 on a local trading forum. His price not mine !

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I fondled one of these at the LGS consignment counter one day, but was too stupid and didn't buy it.

 

[toivo]

I’m away from home right now but here is a picture of my Sig P230. Been told they were made for a police department in Japan.....
Snatched this for $400 on a local trading forum. His price not mine !

I lived in Japan for several years in the '90 and I don't recall ever seeing one of those. The Japanese cops use flap holsters, so it was hard to see exactly what they were carrying, but I'm pretty sure I saw revolver grips peeking out of there from time to time.

These might have been for plainclothes, or even SWAT. The idea of SWAT carrying .32 ACP seems odd to us, but the general public in Japan is pretty much disarmed. However, the yakuza were known to get black-market milsurp guns from China.

I have a P232 in .380. I'd love to have a P230 in .32, but the prices are just too high for what would be essentially a novelty gun for me.

 

[Milkmaster]

Dang, I thought I was done with these mouse guns with my Wife's Beretta 81 and my P32. Now I'm jonesing for one of these silly Zastavas! A full-size pistol in 32acp. I'm really sinking fast.

I am pleased so far with my little Zastava M70 in 32acp. They are not quite as cheap now as they were it seems. It became reliable after I did a little extra cosmoline cleaning in the firing pin canal etc. Fun little pistol so far.

 

[JERRY]

in what European, Asian, or central or South American country can a waitress or a car mechanic afford the license to legally carry a handgun for self defense?

 

[Eugen]

in what European, Asian, or central or South American country can a waitress or a car mechanic afford the license to legally carry a handgun for self defense?

Jerry, you forgot to ask us if we care.

 

[JERRY]

Jerry, you forgot to ask us if we care.

you don't find it relevant that foreign made guns in non military calibers are or are not available to the general populous from whence they came?

 

[Eugen]

you don't find it relevant that foreign made guns in non military calibers are or are not available to the general populous from whence they came?

Interesting; yes. Relevant; no. Thinking about it doesn't keep me up at night either.

 

[wanderinwalker]

@lincen thank you for the picture sir, lovely little SIG there, and a steal of a price! That looks exactly like the pistol my mom had, with the safety in addition to the decocker and the lanyard loop. I've also heard the story that they were for a contract for Japanese police pistols. In my opinion the little SIG 230/232 series pistols may be the ultimate refinement of the Walther PP concept.

 

[Bergara-man]

Left unmentioned in this is the original (in .32) CZ Scorpion; not sure what the rules may be in Norway regarding SBRs or full auto. Mine is, of course, semi only, and I've gone the SBR route to install the OEM wire stock; like all PPCs, a stock makes it useful. It's fun to shoot.
There's enough barrel that threading it for a silencer shouldn't be hard.
For the OP, I reload .32s (easy peasy), but my data may not translate to Euro powder. Can you get Bullseye over there?
Moon

OK, anything full auto is completely banned for all civilian use in Norway. Semi auto is only allowed for some selected hunting-rifles now (since 2020), and AR-15 type rifles (and most millitary types semi-auto rifles) is nearly completely banned, since Norway has adopted most of the European Union gun-laws. Norway's gun laws was updated this year, with banning of most types of semi-automatic rifles. Semi-auto AR-15 types millitary rifles is only allowed for some very strict competition sports shootings, and there is a 2 year "test"-period which all must go through to be able to own such an AR-15 type semi-auto rifle. We must apply for a gun license for any type of gun, and it takes up to 3 months to get it approved. When we apply for a gun license, we must also document that we have purchased a secure (FG-licenced) gun locker (like a safe) where the guns must be locked in at any time when you do not use it. Lockers lighter than 350 pounds must be bolted to the wall/floor, so it will be harder to steal the whole locker/safe.

Like these ones:



I can't get hold of Alliant Bullseye powder here, but some of the Hodgdon and IMR powder etc. is available. The European Union (and Norway) has also banned a lot of the powder types which contains some health hazardous materials (DNT or DBP), which some of the powders contains.

But Vihtavuori and Norma (rifle powder only) is available, and also Lovex. Vihtavuori has a large line of pistol powders, from the very fast burning N310 to the slower N350, then the slower burning N105 and N110 for 357/44 Magnum, 454 Casull etc. Vihtvavuori also has a special pistol powder called N32C which is similar to Hodgdon/IMR Trail Boss. Large volume, very fast burning pistol powder for reduced loads ("Cowboy" loads) etc.

For 32 ACP the Vihtavuori N310 and N320 should be excellent.

 

[MachIVshooter]

The Beretta 81 is a fantastic .32 ACP host. They may not be full size, but large enough to be very pleasant range guns with good capacity.

I internally thread and make adapters for them all the time. This is my shop demo with my .32 caliber Cheetah prototype can

 

[JERRY]

@lincen thank you for the picture sir, lovely little SIG there, and a steal of a price! That looks exactly like the pistol my mom had, with the safety in addition to the decocker and the lanyard loop. I've also heard the story that they were for a contract for Japanese police pistols. In my opinion the little SIG 230/232 series pistols may be the ultimate refinement of the Walther PP concept.

they were indeed a contract gun for the Japanese. the 230/232 is everything the PP/PPK wanted to be, including lousy to shoot in .380acp. I'd gladly trade my AR15 pistol for a 230/232 in .32acp without all the extra Japanese requirements.

 

[jar]

Fortunately I find my P230 easy, accurate and reliable to shoot but I'll admit it is in 9mm Kurz rather than .380. Maybe a rose by any other name does shoot better.

 

[Eugen]

... it is in 9mm Kurz rather than .380. Maybe a rose by any other name does shoot better.

 

[Bergara-man]

I wish Beretta and others would make some full-size 32 ACP handguns. These would of course be mostly for the target shooting market.
With a bit less recoil than the 9mm target shooting guns. Blowback design makes for a less expensive suppressor also, with no spring recoil system in it.

Like this two-tone 92 FS 9mm model from Beretta, with threaded barrel and extended height sights. I can't find any e-mail to Beretta Italy, so it seems one can not send them any suggestions regarding this.

 

[Demi-human]

Like these

Those are some extraordinary long guns. Drillings from the custom photoshop?

A 92 in 32 Auto would be neat! I would get one if there was one to be had.

 

[MechAg94]

I find the Beretta 81 to be an extremely pleasant pistol to shoot. Very little recoil and the pistol is a small version of the Model 92 with easy controls. I was thinking of getting a VZ.61, but never have made up my mind on that.