Future of the CMP?

[nhlivefree]

On a curious note as a supporter of the CMP I would like to know if there was a crime commited with an M1 garand or an M1 carbine issued from the CMP.
It would prove to be interesting just to find out.

I agree it would be but just because there has been no crimes commeted with them or a low number does not mean that they wouldent want to ban them.

 

[Trebor]

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[scythefwd]

U.S.SFC_RET
On a curious note as a supporter of the CMP I would like to know if there was a crime commited with an M1 garand or an M1 carbine issued from the CMP.
It would prove to be interesting just to find out.

It would be near impossible to find out. It fires a very common round who's projectile could be fired from at least 3 different rifle chamberings. There would literally have to be an eye witness that could idenify the gun as a Garand or an en bloc left at the scene of the crime as evidence.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Yeh, *lots* of drive by shootings end with a 'ping' sound.

I would not muddy up the issue by worrying one bit about how many CMP guns were used in crimes--that logic train if followed ends up playing into the hand of the anti crowd and their 'some guns GOOD, some guns BAD' snake oil.

We know the answer already---and it is few to none.

 

[Coronach]

Fully automatic guns are evil, and should be banned.

We got FOPA '89.

Semi-automatic guns with evil features are bad and should be banned.

We got '94 AWB.

Then we got a reprieve. However, we may be back at it again.

If we are, those may be banned again.

When that fails to stem crime (and believe me, it won't make a dent), what will happen next?

All semi-autos should be banned, because they are evil.

When another nutjob takes a 12 gauge shotgun on a victim-hunting expedition in a shopping mall, what will happen then?

Shotguns should be banned, because they're just so deadly at close ranges.

When some public figure's head explodes at a podium from a 300 yd shot, what will happen then?

Well, 'sniper' rifles should be banned, because they're so deadly at long ranges.

In short, if it is a firearm, the antis think you should not have it. This includes rifles from the CMP.

Mike

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Wording changed to reflect our interests:

When the ATF came for the machine guns,
I remained silent;
I did not own a machine gun.

When they outlawed EBRs,
I remained silent;
I did not own an EBR.

When they came for the 11+ round mags,
I did not speak out;
I did not own "high capacity" mags.

When they came for the "sniper rifles",
I remained silent;
I was not a "sniper rifle" owner.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out

I think some people underestimate the strength of gun owners and figure we will just have to deal with what "they" allow "us" to have. No. They work for us. Stand together and there are untold millions of "us". No matter what some pencil neck in DC tries to outlaw, let them know that we won't stand for it, regardless of whether or not you'd ever want to own one. The anti-gun movement is strong because they all stick together, and they won't stop, ever. The gun owner movement has the ability to be even stronger but only if we stick together. Slice a little off here, then there. Divide and conquer. Fudds think "well I'd certainly never want to own one of those evil black rifles, I can do without them, as long as I can drop a whitetail this fall". The further you let them erode our rights they WILL eventually get to your Model 70 SNIPER RIFLE in 30-06, wood stock, leupold scope, and all. Push back, always.
We are entering a time of "change" which, unfotunately, may mean they'd like to rethink and evaluate the bill of rights, with a bottle of white-out and a ball point pen.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

We are getting really lathered up over this---and believe me I bought shares in the Paranoid Corporation decades ago. THAT stock has being doing well lately.

When AB 94 hit the RKBA folks weren't ready---AND---we didn't have the SCOTUS firmly on our side and the sincere prospect of global depression and collapse of our monetary system looming.

The biggest threat I see from the new administration to our RKBA are the sore-loser politicos who authored and backed AWB 1 to see it fall off the cliff. Many have egos that just won't quit and REALLY don't care what it takes to satisfy them from what I've seen.

I'm not trying to drift into la-la land, but I think some younger and cooler heads will be calling the shots and realize that--finally--bringing gun control to the front burner would be a sure way of destroying confidence and monkey-wrenching the SERIOUS patching to the hull of the ship of state that is required to avoid sinking.

That said, I'm talking myself into another M-1 and some ammo for Christmas. To draw my favorite meat analogy---It's hard to watch people FREAKING OUT about the possibility that hamburger might be banned when steak is on sale and they'll fricken' ship it direct to your door.

 

[paintballdude902]

hanafuda RULE 1!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[Thin Black Line]

CMP isn't going anywhere. In 1996, as a compromise it was spunoff from the DoD and became a corporation. The only threat to CMP is that eventually they will run out of Garands and carbines to sell.

And how many of those firearms are imported?

And how much of the ammo is imported?

So "running out" could happen a lot sooner rather than later....then the CMP
exists in name only.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Yes imported, but the CMP operates outside of the usual channels of importation to a certain extent owing to their charter--otherwise they couldn't re-import those former DOD-assets---no one else can since Clinton.

Could the CMP be in danger, sure---
but deciding to square off with the CMP in a public way might be as politically dangerous as attacking the BSA for some of its less 'progressive' policies.

 

[EOD Guy]

Yes imported, but the CMP operates outside of the usual channels of importation to a certain extent owing to their charter--otherwise they couldn't re-import those former DOD-assets---no one else can since Clinton.

None of the firearms CMP sells have been imported by the CMP. The firearms were property of the US Government and were returned to the US Army from overseas. Legally, this is not an importation.

After the Army has them in Anniston Army Depot (or at least the paperwork chain), they are turned over to the CMP. The CMP does reimburse the Army for all expenses for the return shipments.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Thanks EOD Guy--a more precise explanation of what I was trying to 'get at'--NOT importing at all in legal terms then.

 

[Maelstrom]

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social Democrats,
I giggled a little;
I was not a social Democrat.
When they came for me,
I said, "Hey, thanks for getting the communists and Democrats"

 

[Hanafuda]

paintballdude902:

hanafuda RULE 1!!!!! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I knew I should have explained that better.

The OP asks if Obama's gonna come after the CMP?

I said, "The first rule of Fight Club is ..."

If you've seen the movie Fight Club, then you know that the first rule of Fight Club is that nobody talks about Fight Club.

So I guess another way of putting it is,

Q: "Is Obama gonna come after the CMP?"

A: Yes, if everybody talks about it.

No, I don't think one thread on a gun board makes that much difference, but I do think it is unfortunate that so many people here now seemed resigned to accepting a new AWB and other 2A infringements as an Obama fait accompli. I don't like to see discussions like "How big a bite will Obama take?" because it suggests to the opposition we've already given up some ground. Have we?

 

[Thin Black Line]

Q: "Is Obama gonna come after the CMP?"

A: Yes, if everybody talks about it.

No one was talking about the CMP until after the Clinton regime had
thousands of guns cut up. The anti-freedom types knew about the CMP
loooong before the average gun owner ever did on a website. It was a
perfect case study in action-reaction.

If some anti-gun cabinet appointee from Chicago gets it in his head to go
after the CMP this next time around, it would be great for the freedom types
to have it on their radar far in advance in order to get enough capitol Hill
trolls worried about keeping their own jobs and putting a cork in his pie-hole
before it gets enough hot air to float this time around.

The CMP is one of the last patriotic orgs in this country and it need to be
portrayed and supported as such. Don't be silent about flying the flag for it.