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Eating trigger pins...?
Yikes!
If you say so.
That is a big pin, too.
Grease the locking surfaces to dampen the shock.
Thousands of rounds and nary an issue.
100% reliable.
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GLOCK G36 - Or, When Did a .45 ACP 1911-A1 Stop Being Good Enough For SD?
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Eating trigger pins...?
Yikes!
If you say so.
That is a big pin, too.
Grease the locking surfaces to dampen the shock.
Thousands of rounds and nary an issue.
100% reliable.
GR
Really if a guy doesn't want to carry a full size steel 1911 the answer has been around since the 1950s. As to crowning the G36 perfection not in my eyes it's way too big to pocket and if you're gonna belt carry IWB/OWB might as well carry double stack.
I take something in the 3.5 to 4.25" barrel range double stack and while I love 45 and 10mm my short fingers don't reach well on double stacks so a 9mm or 40 is fine.
I take something in the 3.5 to 4.25" barrel range double stack and while I love 45 and 10mm my short fingers don't reach well on double stacks so a 9mm or 40 is fine.
No right or wrong answer exist. It could be a X-Frame .500 or a P32. Once you get by the obvious like can you carry it and is it reliable it's simply a matter of how well you run it. For some a .45 ACP 1911 might absolutely be the right choice, for others it might be a 9mm G19. For one man in Texas it was apparently a .357 Sig P229.
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I did... and they don't.
The G36 carries way better than the G23.4.
I addressed that in an earlier post.
Glock makes an 8+1/ .40 the same size as the G36...?
Would be getting a few for sure.
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Well I'll agree there isn't one right answer. There are certainly right and wrong answers. Thing is there's also more than one question.
Handguns no matter the question are gonna be a compromise and best compromise is by definition an oxymoron.
You do realize Glock isn't the only gun manufactured. Some even do this thing where they make the magazine out of metal so they don't have to be so freaking thick.
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But the G36... isn't.
It's only 1" thick, from the slide to the magazine base plate.
One of the reasons why GLOCK-a-holics hate it.
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The main reason I dont like them is the same reason as to why I dont like the 42's and 43's, etc. They dont take the same mags as their bigger siblings, so it limits them to proprietary mags. Its why I no longer have 42's and 43's, and why I have the 30S.
The difference in grip size, and the difference in overall size of the gun is meaningless unless youre really that overly sensitive.
To me, both those guns in the pic above would carry the same, and shoot the same.
The difference in grip size, and the difference in overall size of the gun is meaningless unless youre really that overly sensitive.
To me, both those guns in the pic above would carry the same, and shoot the same.
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No offense... but that's a silly argument.
Every pistol and rifle I own, including the G36, has a unique magazine.
...unless it's exactly the same, as I have several duplicates.
And the grip size, to me, does make a difference for CC/IWB, and I'm not all that sensitive the last time I checked.
- the G23.4 - flops around when I run, or during strenuous activity.
- the P-938 - is hard to get out of the CC/IWB holster when buried under clothing.
- the G36 - does/is neither.
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Yeah I know it's not double stack hence the problem.
What ever he can use the same extra G17 mag he carries in the g26 he's got for a BUG.
Same with my XDm compact and SR9c they take the same mag my full size will
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For a CC/IWB pistol - I don't see that AS a problem.
7 rounds of .45 ACP, and a quick mag change if necessary, is no longer good enough?
You base your civilian SD requirements on common mags?
Having a common mag for both primary and BUG would save you hauling one extra mag., I get that.
But that is a very rare occurrence.
My BUG, if I have one at all, doesn't take a GLOCK mag of any kind.
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As was mentioned, I can use any of the larger guns mags in my smaller guns, and I do use their mags as the reloads for any of them.
When I had a 21, its mags were the reload for my 30S, and still would be now, if I were to carry it.
If you really think that the slight bit of difference in grip size is making a difference in how the gun carries, you are overly sensitive.
Heck I carry a 5 shot snub in my pocket most days and still have a sweet nickel m19 Smith that I might carry OWB to the family BBQ but for every day belt carry I just doesn't seem prudent to carry pocket round count.
The ability to carry a compact 10-12 round gun with a 15-20 round spare is certainly a consideration.
I suppose it would be rare if you made it so and common if you decided to what you carry is entirely your choice.
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Don't want to get in the weeds with this, and you are free to solve your SD needs as you see fit.
But if the statistical odds of needing more that seven rounds to stop an SD threat are ~ 1:10,000, about the same as becoming a highway fatality that same year?
...a spare 6-round mag would be a seat belt.
...and your 15-round spare mag would be a 4-point harness.
I get it - I also wear a seat belt and live with that.
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...If you really think that the slight bit of difference in grip size is making a difference in how the gun carries, you are overly sensitive.
Either it flops around when I run - or it doesn't.
Either it prints - or it doesn't.
I chose the pistol that doesn't flop around and prints the least.
The Glock G36.
...your condescension not withstanding.
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https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=589332
This thread on TFL has some interesting statistics as to round count and hit probably.
My feelings are if presentation and or 1 or 2 rounds doesn't get the job done you're in a race now and damn Skippy I have a 5 point and wear a helmet in my race car.
Not that I think your g36 is a terrible choice I just don't see it as being significantly more capable than a 5 shot snub.
This thread on TFL has some interesting statistics as to round count and hit probably.
My feelings are if presentation and or 1 or 2 rounds doesn't get the job done you're in a race now and damn Skippy I have a 5 point and wear a helmet in my race car.
Not that I think your g36 is a terrible choice I just don't see it as being significantly more capable than a 5 shot snub.
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It's not, except that the round is subsonic .45 ACP, the capacity is 40% more, the reloads are quicker, and the trigger pull is shorter and a little lighter.
...none of which makes hardly any difference in a 1:6,000 SD engagement where < 6 rounds were fired to stop the threat.
It's just a choice.
As for the "5 point and wear a helmet"...?
That exists as well.
You really are beyond being objective aren't you?
Did you even read the link I provided?
I'm really not sure what the benefit subsonic makes but most rounds from a snub will be subsonic and what I shoot certainly is. As to the capacity and reloads that was covered in the link provided.
Trigger pull doesn't affect my shooting much I've shot A LOT of DA revolver rounds down range besides I was really only discussing capacity.
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I carry a 17 on a daily basis. It doesn't flop around or print at all, even under a tee shirt.Either it flops around when I run - or it doesn't.
Either it prints - or it doesn't.
I chose the pistol that doesn't flop around and prints the least.
The Glock G36.
...your condescension not withstanding.
GR
I've carried a 21 and 30 the exact same way, and they carry the same as my 17's and 26's.
You're over sensitive.
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I carry a 17 on a daily basis. It doesn't flop around or print at all, even under a tee shirt.
I've carried a 21 and 30 the exact same way, and they carry the same as my 17's and 26's.
You're over sensitive.
Actually, I'm just not you.
...nor are most CC/IWB people, as compacts and sub-compacts sell 100:1 compared to service pistols for CC.
You are truly... Special.
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Said, "...none of which makes hardly any difference in a 1:6,000 SD engagement where < 6 rounds were fired to stop the threat."
Snub-nosed revolvers - are fine, as long as you shoot them well.
That's the point.
As for low pressure subsonic - it's easier on the shooter w/o earpro in confined spaces, like sound-wells (hallways) and automobiles.
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Muzzle blast from a 45 is louder than the supersonic crack of the bullet.
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Shot a snub .357 mag., out in the open, three rounds, lost ~ 10% of my hearing.
A .38 SPL +P would have been better.
Suite yourself.
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Oh ok you keep saying subsonic. Yeah 357 is 35k psi has nothing to do with speed. 180s at 1050 from snub 357 are loudenboomers.
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