Since your hell bent on winning pistols that have the same effect on you.. Your other choice is to shoot about 10000 rounds, you should have built up a heck of a callus by then..
Glocks Rub Me The Wrong Way
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Since your hell bent on winning pistols that have the same effect on you.. Your other choice is to shoot about 10000 rounds, you should have built up a heck of a callus by then..
Old Dog
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Weird thread. Chiming in quite late. Worked for a Glock department in late '90s-early 2000s, couldn't master my G 23. Shoot my current M&P quite well but prefer the SIG P-320.
Picked up a Glock 19X. Kinda like it. Still, a few other pistols subjectively feel better.
Really think whatever fits one's hands and whatever strikes one's fancy. Not gonna bash Glock guys even though the ergos on some of the other polymer-frame, striker-fired psistols (and their triggers and sights) seem better to me (H&K, Walther, S&W, SIG, FN, Taurus) ... but it does seem as though the other makers have evolved and are working to figure out what fits shooters' hands better. Every other manufacturer of polymer pistols has changed up grip angles, grip sizes/adjustments and sights ... except Glock.
Picked up a Glock 19X. Kinda like it. Still, a few other pistols subjectively feel better.
Really think whatever fits one's hands and whatever strikes one's fancy. Not gonna bash Glock guys even though the ergos on some of the other polymer-frame, striker-fired psistols (and their triggers and sights) seem better to me (H&K, Walther, S&W, SIG, FN, Taurus) ... but it does seem as though the other makers have evolved and are working to figure out what fits shooters' hands better. Every other manufacturer of polymer pistols has changed up grip angles, grip sizes/adjustments and sights ... except Glock.
GunnyUSMC
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S&W spent $40,000 to design the M&P grip. I think it was money well spent.
Trey Veston
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You seriously think Glock has never changed their grip sizes or adjustment?
They just did with the Gen 5s by eliminated the finger grooves, They introduced adjustable back straps with the Gen 4s, they added finger grooves in the Gen 3s and changed the texture with the Gen 2s.
And, the newest G48 and G43X both have slimmer grips, as well as previous single-stack .45s that had different grip sizes.
So, Glock has literally made improvements/changes to their grips every single generation. No, they have not changed the grip angle in 37 years. The 1911 has not changed it's grip angle in 108 years, nor the HK USP in 26 years. The S&W M&P has been around since 2005 and has exactly one minor change to the grip texture. Yet nobody criticizes HK or S&W for not changing the grip. Odd.
When the same standards are applied to virtually every single other pistol, Glock is the only one that people complain about.
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danez71
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That's because they never had the same criticism of grips that glock has had for 37.
GunnyUSMC
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I like Glock grips. The RTF is my favorite. I hated it when it first came out, then I bought one. Most HKs don’t fit my hand.
I have never understood how so many people have a hate for some guns. It’s like they get there Underoos in a knot if someone doesn’t like there choice of gun or prefers another. I wonder if they get upset if someone doesn’t like their wives as much as they do.
I remember when Glocks hit the market. People laughed and said the would never sale. Then they said they wouldn’t last. Then every major gun manufacturer started making synthetic frame guns to try and get a piece of the market.
Some hate to admit that Glock made one of the biggest changes in the gun market. But I think that it’s great. Just think of all the great guns that never would’ve been made if it were not to compete with Glock.
When it comes to synthetic frame guns, I own, Glock, Beretta, S&W, NF, Polymer80 and an AR. I have no brand loyalty, but as soon as one of them start sending me that monthly check, I’ll be their Fanboy, but I don’t see that happening. But until that day comes I’ll just keep buying the guns that I like, no matter who’s name is on it.
JTQ
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In 1924 the 1911A1 was introduced. The most significant feature of the 1911A1 was the arched mainspring housing with the specific purpose to change the grip angle. Of course the flat mainspring housing has returned as the most common version, but the arched housing was introduced specially to change the grip angle.
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JTQ
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Glock basically makes one pistol in various sizes and caliber's.
While it's true HK hasn't changed the USP grip or grip angle since it's introduction, HK has introduced more ergonomic pistols in the ensuing years, such as the P2000, P30, HK45, and VP9. If the only gun in the HK line-up was a USP variant, folks would probably whine about the ergonomics of those guns, but they have different options within the HK line-up, so instead of the ergonomics issues, folks can instead complain about HK's triggers.
Isn't the premise of this thread about this area? That has pretty much remained unchanged through all these "innovative" generational changes.
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I'd wager that we were eventually headed in that direction anyhow even if Glock never existed. Just based on the number of household items and vehicle changes through the 80's that incorporated more and more plastics, etc.
Granted they did change the landscape forever, so its really a moot point. Just something to ponder I suppose.
TN Outlaw
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We were going the way of the assembly line even if Henry Ford didn't exist and electricity even if Benjamin Franklin's kite had been broken, etc.
Credit still goes to the one that made it work 1st.
Credit still goes to the one that made it work 1st.
danez71
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Agreed.
My fingers are shorter than average. I think glock has a longer trigger reach than most. That combo is not great.
Doesn't mean that hatred for glock would be warrented.
Grip angle? I thinks it's overblown.
Flat sides? I think it's over blown too.
GunnyUSMC
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Have you tried a Gen4 or Gen5 Glocks. The distance from the trigger to the backstrap was shortened starting with the Gen4.
I took the day off today and stopped in at the local Pawn & Gun shop .
https://www.google.com/search?q=bj+pawn+and+gun&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
They keep a large selection of New and used Glocks and Sigs. They got a little busy so I got behind the counter to help. An old friend of mine came in to look at some guns. We got to talking about grip size, he has short stubby fingers, and what fit his hand better. He did not relies that the Gen4 had a shorter reach. I took out a Gen3 and a Gen4 so that he could compare them. He said that the Gen4 fit his hand better.
Then we played with just about everything in the two 9mm gun cases.
JTQ
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This is noticeable. The Gen 4, and later, with no backstrap is a big improvement over the previous generations for me.
danez71
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I'm currently a resident of CA and the Gen4 isn't on the roster. Gen 3 is.
There's ways I could legally get a G4 but it either involves more hassle than I'm willing to right now or involves paying too much of a premium than I'm willing to pay right now.
I was initially interested in a Gen 3 G26 about 9 yrs ago but the hand fit wasnt good for me and it was intended to be CC IWB so I kept stalling. About 6 months later, I bought the MP9C as soon as I touched it
However, in more recent times, I shoot spmeone elses Gen3 G19 occasionally and considering how little I shoot it, I do pretty well with it.
Because of that and that they're a great gun in general, I've recently been thinking of getting the gen 3 G19. And if I HAD to,,,, I've read about a different trigger that give a shorter reach (not confused with shorter travel) or slight grinding; the smallest amounts can make a big difference from me.
The G19 might fit me better, never compared the G26 side by side, but I think being open in a OWB holster allows me to get a better more consistent grip which apparently I need in order for me to get enough finger tip over and on top of the trigger diggle instead of more into the side of the dingle.
GunnyUSMC
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Most people tell the guys in CA. to just move to a gun friendly state, but that is easier said then done. It’s a shame what the liberals have done to your great state.
If you’re young enough, can you get on as a reserve officer at your local PD or SO? Then you could buy just about anything.
JTQ
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I've seen comments from CA residents (LE/professional trainer type folks, who are Glock fans) on other forums that Glock has not produced consistent reliability with their reduced capacity 10 round mags. So much so, that many have simply cut their G17/G19 grips down to G26 size to use the reliable G26 mags.
Well that credit goes to HK...
GunnyUSMC
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Nope. It really didn't do all that good. The VP70 was an 18 round blowback made from 1970 to 1989. It was made in only two variants, the M and the Z. If I remember right it was only adopted by three countries. I would have to say, not very successful compared to Glock.
The remington Nylon 66 was introduced in 1959 and did better in sales then the VP70.
TN Outlaw
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I assume you are referring to the VP70(I think)?
DA only, blowback with a mile long 15lb+ pull is not making it work imo. The 1st polymer frame, yes HK did make that leap 1st in 1970.
They didnt "make it work" 1st. It was very unsuccessful. The 1st polymer framed, striker fired combat ready pistol, Glock made it work 1st.
TN Outlaw
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Gunny beat me to it
GunnyUSMC
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I'm sitting next to my buddy that is an HK Fanboy.
thomas15
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I acknowledge that this is contributing to the thread drift. In the last two weeks I have taken my Glocks out of retirement and shoot them a bit. Partly because I won a Gen 5 G34 and wanted to get her out for a test run and partly because I have a lot of mixed range brass and components to load up utility 9mm for a couple of years without having to buy anything or pick up anything off the ground.
I took my Gen 4 G17 for a refit. I have always thought, possibly because a lot of fine folks on the interwebs say so that the grip angle is terrible and the finger groves a negative. I took off the backstrap, added a dovetail mounted dot and put about 500 rounds through her on two days. My feeling about the gun now is it's too light so I need to add some weight, the grip angle is fine as after shooting it for a while rounds were going exactly where I wanted them to go and factory texture on the grip is actually quite enough.
The Gen 5 G34, put about 200 rounds through her. I don't want to say just yet that it's a better more accurate gun compared to the G17 but I did noticeably better with it marksmanship wise. My overall conclusion though is that spend enough time with any gun and as long as it is capable of shooting accurately you will eventually master it. My attitude towards Glocks in general is on the upswing which is good because I have 5 of them..
I took my Gen 4 G17 for a refit. I have always thought, possibly because a lot of fine folks on the interwebs say so that the grip angle is terrible and the finger groves a negative. I took off the backstrap, added a dovetail mounted dot and put about 500 rounds through her on two days. My feeling about the gun now is it's too light so I need to add some weight, the grip angle is fine as after shooting it for a while rounds were going exactly where I wanted them to go and factory texture on the grip is actually quite enough.
The Gen 5 G34, put about 200 rounds through her. I don't want to say just yet that it's a better more accurate gun compared to the G17 but I did noticeably better with it marksmanship wise. My overall conclusion though is that spend enough time with any gun and as long as it is capable of shooting accurately you will eventually master it. My attitude towards Glocks in general is on the upswing which is good because I have 5 of them..
Ah, but I strike a deal with the gun store where I redeem my certificate. They pick which model they want on the certificate, I pick some other gun off their shelf and we strike a bargain for trade.
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