Gunman gunned down.

[MikeInOr]

Last night a local kid (I won't give him the respect of putting his name up here and I hope nobody else does either) went into a Safeway with an AR15 and a shotgun to make the national news (as he stated in his online post).

Gunman opens fire at East Bend shopping center, inside Safeway: 3 people dead, including shooter - KTVZ

The new story says that the shooter is dead after murdering 2 people... and the police did not fire any shots. What a cop friend told me is that a concealed carry license holder stopped the murderer and put his lights out in the Safeway. It amazes me that they skipped over this part of the story entirely.

 

[rust collector]

One news story indicates the shooter was shot by another person. Others claim the injury was self-inflicted. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Latest AP story says the active shooter shot himself shortly after a 66-y.o. store employee confronted him.
The employee was one of the victims killled.
Some of these active shooters are suicidal as well as homicidal.
Even futile resistance can disrupt their shooting spree and trigger suicide.

 

[The Glockodile]

What a cop friend told me is that a concealed carry license holder stopped the murderer and put his lights out in the Safeway. It amazes me that they skipped over this part of the story entirely.

I’ll have FOUR of what your friend’s smoking!

 

[230RN]

I feel 66% bad for the three people who died.

One could wish these jerks would reverse the order of their killings.

I'm really curious about the truth of the matter.

Is the media (or the investigating authorities) suppressing, silencing, muffling that the Defender had a carry license and used it either visually or actively?

Or is MikeInOr's cop friend mistaken.?

Or, also, was the Defender carrying illegally and nobody wanted to have this come to light?

General experience with the quality of present-day journalism would make me favor the first possibility.

Lying by omission is still lying.

Terry, 230RN

 

[DMW1116]

I don’t know what happened there so this doesn’t really reflect on that situation. However I think it’s possible for someone to have dealt with the shooter and no one say anything about it because of the reaction to the Greenwood incident. There was a tremendous positive reaction to someone handling it themself instead of waiting for the pros to show up however long later.

 

[Ks5shooter]

Sad none the less.Again not the gun.mental health is the issue here.

 

[MikeInOr]

Sad none the less.Again not the gun.mental health is the issue here.

Most definitely a mental health issue! He posted about how he was planning to do this back in July.

 

[Walkalong]

It amazes me that they skipped over this part of the story entirely.

If one understands the big picture of how the antis and their cohorts in the news business work, it's no surprise at all.

 

[230RN]

If one understands the big picture of how the antis and their cohorts in the news business work, it's no surprise at all.

QFI

(Quoted For Insight)

Worth repeating: Lying by omission is still lying.

We don't want them to know that !

And re the Greenwood incident referred to above:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/18/greenwood-mall-shooting/

The article keeps referring to incidents where a private citizen stopping a shooting as "rare" and adds:

But in practice, this is an uncommon occurrence during mass shootings. In recent studies of more than 430 “active shooter incidents” dating back to 2000, the FBI found that civilians killed gunmen in just 10 cases.

Only 2.3% !

Terry's slow, inefficient 83 year old brain mulls that over...

Ummmm.... may I offer the stupid, idiotic, and knuckleheaded proposition that if more people carried legally, the "stopping" percentage would rise?

Naaaah.

That's just plain stupid, Terry. Shut up and drink your Ovaltine.

Terry, 230RN

 

[DMW1116]

Reducing Gun free zones, where law abiding concealed carriers tend to not carry, would raise that percentage. I dare say if the Greenwood scenario happened at higher percentages the mass shootings would stop. They’d be replaced by something else, but still.

 

[Ignition Override]

How about the opposite results?

Have many people posted online that they intend to kill somebody but they Don't do it ?

The only type of 'social media' I've ever used consists of " gun chat" on THR, the Original CZ etc.

 

[DMW1116]

That’s a good question. It’s not one that can easily be answered either.

 

[CDW4ME]

A reminder to always carry everywhere* legal and avoid (if at all possible) where you can't.


*Everywhere includes "good areas" and places where one doesn't think they "need" to carry.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Keeping legal carry impossible or rare with restrictive gun carry laws keeps the number of interventions by legal carriers in active shooter incidents low.
The vast majority of active shooters carry and use firearms without carry permits.

My local newspaper used to report carry permit status of people in criminal or reckless gun use incidents. Not a one had a carry permit. Then there was an active shooter incident in a dental office. The killer shot his wife and then went to confront the coworkers and boss who had supported her in seeking a divorce. A permit holding customer wounded and detained the killer. The FBI active shooter report praised him and the other legally permitted interveners for saving lives.

 

[lightman]

Latest AP story says the active shooter shot himself shortly after a 66-y.o. store employee confronted him.
The employee was one of the victims killed.

This is what the local news said last night. I haven't heard anything new today yet.

Prayers offered for the victims.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

^^^^
A report that I read this morning said the same thing. The report also mentioned the new,and more restrictive, law that will be up for vote in Oregon this November.

 

[GEM]

Be sure to support MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ and allow businesses open to the public to ban meaningful self-defense!
Yes sir!!

Make sure SCOTUS doesn't figure this out in their decisions when they blather about sensitive places!!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

It amazes me that they skipped over this part of the story entirely.

Maybe because it wasn't a part of the story, LOL.

If one understands the big picture of how the antis and their cohorts in the news business work, it's no surprise at all.

Or the police!!!!!

However, conspiracies and unsupported rumors being what they are, the only indication so far is that one of the dead had tried to disarm the shooter and was killed in the process. This person "confronted" the suspect, but nobody, including the police have publicly stated that the dead hero had a gun or shot the suspect.

So while it is fun to blame the media, etc. for anti-gun agendas, don't blame them if the POLICE don't report the information to them. There was NO report of a 2nd shooter (good guy or bad guy) at the scene as per the police and their release of info, see below and watch video.
https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/...side-safeway-3-people-dead-including-shooter/

Also...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/us/safeway-shooting-bend-oregon/index.html
https://www.kptv.com/2022/08/29/breaking-3-dead-after-bend-shooting-sunday-night/

 

[.38 Special]

We had a similar event in our neighborhood a few months ago. The shooter was tackled, which ended the fight, but the one who tackled him was shot and killed in the process.

It is good that we have begun fighting back against these monsters. It will be better when more of us do it with guns, instead of our lives.

(I happen to know that the fellow in our local event was a highly trained shooter. He apparently was not armed when he most needed to be. I take that as a lesson.)

 

[SwampWolf]

Lying by omission is still lying.

A lot of what "fake news" is-or isn't.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

(I happen to know that the fellow in our local event was a highly trained shooter. He apparently was not armed when he most needed to be. I take that as a lesson.)

Common problem. Lots of people own guns. Lots of people living in states with Constitutional Carry. Lots of people people have carry permits. A significant portion of those people in those states are military trained or have been to defense classes. Yet strangely, getting people to carry their guns on a daily regular basis is amazingly hard. Sure, they will carry when going into a bad part of town or carry while traveling. They may carry, for a brief while, during some sort of local crime spree. However, getting them to carry on a daily basis is about like getting them to grow a third eye - not going to happen. Heck, I know cops that won't carry off duty (where allowed or encouraged) unless it is mandated as a condition of employment.

 

[Insignificant bill]

I carry a gun every day all day

 

[General Geoff]

Be sure to support MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ and allow businesses open to the public to ban meaningful self-defense!
Yes sir!!

How about we lobby for gun carriers to be codified as a protected class?

 

[GEM]

Actually, that makes sense. You have a basic right for self-defense and that should protected against the whims of someone who opens for business. Once you open to the public to walk in, your property rights are not absolute. You don't have to have a business.