Have you ever experienced an AD or ND?

Have you ever experienced an AD or ND?

  • AD (firearm malfunctioned and cause a round to fire unexpectedly)

    Votes: 44 23.5%

  • ND (operator error caused a round to fire unexpectedly)

    Votes: 100 53.5%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 57 30.5%
  • Total voters
    187
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I showed a friend how to strip and load a SKS he got at a garage sale.
I loaded it and racked the action-"BLAM"
Stuck FP, I knew about this feature and had neglected to check for that.
I was, at least aware of where I was pointing.
Took a lot of work to unstick it.
I have no use for an SKS.
 
I had a sear break & cause extra shots. Since the first one was on purpose the others went into the backstop. Then the gun went off to the gunsmith.
 
Id have to say i had an AD once when my MKIII 22/45 slam fired on me due to shimming the sear to far. But it was point down range per safety rules when racking the slide.

I had a lady taking the ccw course next to me last week at a public range and she racked the slide on a M&P 9mm and it fired as she dropped the slide as her finger was on the trigger. The RO heard about that one from me later.

I did get busted for being negligent with my benchrest rifle recently, But nothing went off.
I was out of state visiting relatives in WV and i had just returned from shooting and my uncle came to my other relatives house i was staying at and i wanted to show him my gun.
I go back in the house and retrieve it and hand it to him and say "Its empty" but didn't check.
Then i knew i did something wrong as i didn't clear the weapon after saying that a second later. He opens the bolt and out pops a spent .22lr case.
He says "Empty huh?" I about crawled under the porch and apologized.

IMO it could have been a live round just as easy as a spent round as it shouldn't have been there anyhow.
I learned a lesson the easy way that day with not even a round going off, But i felt like an IDIOT for my actions.


There are only 2 kinds of shooters; those who have had an AD, and those who WILL.
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I believe this is true and should include ND also.
Its human nature to make mistakes, Its how we learn to correct them and hopefully live threw them not to make the same mistake twice.
 
AD - Firing pin issue, safe direction, hole in ceiling, noone was hurt (ego aside). Thought it was possibly a ND at first (booger hook on the bang switch), took it to a gunsmith to make sure and he was able to replicate the issue. Replaced firing pin and all is well. I have inspected all parts when cleaning much more thoroughly since...
 
I was NCOIC of the gate coming out of the DMZ in Korea and a guard post NCOIC was leaving. SOP was all weapons were cleared and then pointed into a half buried 50 gallon drum with a hole cut into the top and trigger pulled. He was in a hurry and instead of dropping the magazine and working the slide on his .45 he did not drop the magazine and shot my drum. OK that got everyone's attention and was not a real problem but he was surprised it went off and turned toward us with the weapon slightly elevated and a stunned and confused look on his face and I could see the magazine still in it. I'm screaming "Its still loaded" I took it from him and cleared it. We all had to fill out paper work on it since it was a round fired in what was technically the DMZ. His nickname became barrel killer.
 
have never had either... yet
(I consider the 'yet' word mandatory, as part of maintaining a proper mindset)

did witness one AD, when uncle snapped shut a 20 gauge SxS, put a large double load divot in the dirt, no harm done due to always, always, always keeping muzzle pointed in safe direction

did stop one "pending ND", when a family member walked in door and picked up the 9 mm I just just finished cleaning (full mag, empty tube), said "cool" and picked it up without asking, and racked it.... yes, words were spoken, with emphasis..
no, that never, ever happened again
 
i was zeroing my m242 bushmaster 25mm chain gun prior to table 8 of bradley gunnery, and i had the weapon system on single shot, and it would fire 2-3rds instead, checked to make sure i was on single shot, fired manually this time, and same thing. it was a good issue, and the gun was pulled from the line, and i finished in someone elses brad. does that count?
 
60 years old here pretty quick,..and have been shooting since I was a pup. No AD's,...no ND's,...and I don't believe that stuff about either you have,..or you will have one. Keep your firearms in good repair,..and your wits about you when handling them. Make safe gun handling an absolute habit, and accept nothing less from others.
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What he said.
 
I agree with your postition that it is entirely possible to not have an ND and that it is everyones responsibility to do whatever is needed to make sure they don't have one.

It's only four rules people... they're not that hard to follow.

So many of the NDs I hear written up boil down to people playing around with guns.

They're power tools people.... not toys
 
I've had the following:

1) AR doubled on me; one pull, two shots. So close together I had to do a double take to think about whether there was actually one or two shots, but my buddy who was watching confirmed that two cases ejected. They were much closer together than typical full auto burst. I think it was probably a high primer slam fire since that never happened before after while I had the rifle.

2) Very occasionally I will get a little hasty with the trigger staging and fire a round about .1 seconds before I intend to during a string of fire in pistol competition. These land in the berm (if I'm lucky they they will hit the target) and no one but me is the wiser.

But I don't really count those. In terms of firing a completely unintended round through the living room window, no I've never done that and don't plan to.

I did have a new experience on Sunday. I was shooting an IPDA classifier; for those who are familiar with IDPA procedures, typically you clear at the end of a stage. Due to the nature of the classifier (many sequential strings of fire) I was not clearing; just holstering with one in the chamber and loading the number of rounds needed for the next string, seat mag, holster, get ready for the buzzer. For some reason the SO asked me to clear immediately prior to the very last string, which I did. I then counted out the rounds I needed for the final string seated the mag, holstered, got ready for the buzzer. Buzzer, draw, sights, squeeze.... oops! No bang! Forgot I had cleared before that final string!

It was the first time in 10 years or so of shooting that I've been wrong about knowing whether there was a round in the chamber of the gun I was handling. Of course no safety rules were broken, and there was no round when I thought there was one (rather than what seems to be the much more common and dangerous opposite situation), but it was just a reinforcing experience in terms of knowing that, yes, you can be wrong in your assessment of whether the gun is empty, no matter how many times you've been right before and therefore the safety rules are important to follow as much as reasonably possible.
 
Thankfully neither. I don't believe everyone WILL have one, but it is one of those sayings to keep people on their toes. It's like a motorcycle, it's not a question of if you fall down... but when. I've yet to fall on my bike because I ride incredibly cautiously and am a paranoid driver, I hope to never have an accident and have known people who have ridden their whole lives without having one. The thought of putting a hole into something or smashing my self up keeps me cautious with my guns and my bikes.
 
"Back in the day" when I lived a more careless lifestyle, I was freshly separated from my first wife, I rented a small trailer and proceeded to live the party hard life style. One night me and my bud were watching TV and I was fiddling with my favorite gun. We proceeded to get slammed as the night went on. Well, sometime that evening there was a commercial on that I REALLY hated. I pointed the (supposedly) unloaded 357 magnum and shot my TV at point blank range! We jumped up, turned out the lights and after the coast was clear we snuck outside to check my bud's truck because we were sure it was as dead as the TV. We were amazed to find out that the bullet never left the TV.

Later on, my smart a** ex wife asked me "why I bought a new TV? I told her the TRUTH. I said the other one was shot! True story I swear. ALcohol and guns do not mix lol
 
I'm now a French General

2X ND both while moving weapons

(Win 94 and a Mauser K98) from ready to fire to safe

finger slipped on the 94:what:, I still don't know what the deal was w/ the Kar98:banghead:.

the other 3 rules prevented 'danger' per se but I don't use safeties anymore.

(French .mil didn't put safeties on any of their rifles or didn't prior to WWII)

woerm
 
Other = None of the above.
I can proudly say that after nearly 30 years of shooting, I have not had an AD/ND. Knocking on wood now. I am a Glock owner too... who'da thought?

One day it will happen - just not to this day.
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If you say so...
 
There is no such thing as an "AD". Everything is "cause and effect". Only "ND's".

For every thing that fails there is a reason. Neglect of the firearm's maintenance. Or failure to adhere to proper safety rules.
 
ND.

After shooting my first glock for about 500 rounds, I finally had gotten used to the awkward glock trigger reset. I'd shot many glocks many times before, but that was my first extended session on my very own glock. Having spent all of my 9mm ammo, I moved on to my 45's and my 1911. My finger seemed to have a mind of it's own as I was double tapping inadvertently.

My brother in law was teaching his son how to shoot a shotgun. While waiting his turn to fire at some skeet we were tossing over a field, my nephew let one go directly behind me. I turned around and he was white as a ghost. Then I noticed the hole behind me foot and the bird-shot in my nike's heel, they were old school nike airs and I only noticed because I could see that the clear window had deflated and collapsed. I was white as a ghost at that point. I somehow got extremely lucky. Once home, I also found bird-shot holes in my blue jeans' legs at the base.
 
Mine happened in a deer stand. The round discharged upon closing the bolt. The barrel was pointed into the ground. No injury.... just a little explaining to do as to why I fired a shot 15 minutes before legal hunting time.
 
AD -- Colt 1911 that while shooting the Hammer broke. The next time I dropped the slide on a loaded magazine it stripped off a round and fired in one continous action. Got my attention -- I though I had did something wrong but when I took it to a Gunsmith (he thought I was nuts) he put a fake round in a magazine to replicate the problem and the hammer fell with the slide drop -- He was quite upset since he had worked on the trigger not more than a month ago -- He did the repair for free, not sure it he caused the problem.

The issue was the front side of the hammer -- there is a spur that broker off.

UK
 
NO, never.

And I'm surprised by all of the neglegent people coming out of the woodwork on this one. WOW.
 
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