Help Me Decide On Which AR 15 To Buy

[Inebriated]

Problem here is, almost no one wants a "mil spec" rifle. I certainly dont. I dont like A2 flash hiders, I unstake the castle nut as soon as I install a sling plate, I remove the crappy "milspec" trigger for a better one, I prefer non "milspec" free float tubes, I dont like standard charging handles, milspec grips, trigger guards, stocks,etc,etc,etc. Mil Spec doesnt mean "the best", its simply good a jumping off point to improve upon and tailor to the end user.

Absolutely. Milspec is a great baseline, and whether or not a user needs it is completely up to them. Best thing is for them to educate themselves on what milspec means for each part, and how that affects it in their real-world, practical use, and go from there.

 

[12many]

To the OP, I agree with the last two posts. I bought a colt first, which is pretty close to or at Milspec. Shot it some and did not think much of for what I like to do. So, I built my own lower with a new lower using a great trigger with a light pull, large grip for my big hands, and a better stock that locks up. Much better. I am now shopping for an nice varmint upper and looking at WOA with 20" varmint barrel. I will put the colt lower with the colt upper and keep it for short range stuff and fun, but have the second for upper/lower for longer range fun. If I had to do it again, I would have started with my custom built lower tailored to what I like and want.

 

[Jlr2267]

Even when somebody tried to post links to one they built in the past, it wasn't "mil-spec".

That is a misrepresentation of the facts. I posted links to a mil spec upper and BCG, and also to a non milspec lower with the *very clear* disclosure that the *actual* lower I built used a *different kit*...

It is not taking the high road to choose pride over integrity.

 

[Warp]

Problem here is, almost no one wants a "mil spec" rifle. I certainly dont. I dont like A2 flash hiders, I unstake the castle nut as soon as I install a sling plate, I remove the crappy "milspec" trigger for a better one, I prefer non "milspec" free float tubes, I dont like standard charging handles, milspec grips, trigger guards, stocks,etc,etc,etc. Mil Spec doesnt mean "the best", its simply good a jumping off point to improve upon and tailor to the end user.

That is an entirely different discussion. And is precisely why I have not personally built a "mil-spec" rifle. I built rifles that were better. They also cost more.

But as you say it is a good (I would say excellent) jumping-off point. For a first AR when you don't know every little detail of what you like and what you want and why, starting with a rifle that is at least "mil-spec" gets you going on the right foot.

That is a misrepresentation of the facts. I posted links to a mil spec upper and BCG, and also to a non milspec lower with the *very clear* disclosure that the *actual* lower I built used a *different kit*...

It is not taking the high road to choose pride over integrity.

Right. Not even you have built a mil-spec rifle for $500. It seems that nobody has (built a "mil-spec" AR type rifle with all-new parts purchased at retail for $500 or less). Can't be done hasn't been done.

 

[Jlr2267]

That is an entirely different discussion. And is precisely why I have not personally built a "mil-spec" rifle. I built rifles that were better. They also cost more.

But as you say it is a good (I would say excellent) jumping-off point. For a first AR when you don't know every little detail of what you like and what you want and why, starting with a rifle that is at least "mil-spec" gets you going on the right foot.



Right. Not even you have built a mil-spec rifle for $500. It seems that nobody has (built a "mil-spec" AR type rifle with all-new parts purchased at retail for $500 or less). Can't be done hasn't been done.

You do not know what I have or have not built, and to unequivocally state that you do know only further lowers your credibility.

I'm done with this discussion, as you appear to have no interest in the subject, other than in "being right."

To the OP, if you want to do it, it can be done...only those who haven't (and never tried) will claim it can't be done.

 

[Warp]

You do not know what I have or have not built, and to unequivocally state that you do know only further lowers your credibility.

I'm done with this discussion, as you appear to have no interest in the subject, other than in "being right."

To the OP, if you want to do it, it can be done...only those who haven't (and never tried) will claim it can't be done.

You were done a week ago when your response to "show us" was "Google". It can't be done and everybody here knows it. Feel free to show otherwise.

 

[greyghost01]

Palmetto Arms, Windham Arms, Some DPMS, I consider these to be good entry level, The main thing is to check warranty and customer service. If you want to spend more money, LMT,SIG , LWRC, KAC, Larue, Daniel Defense, Bravo Co, These I consider the top end
I have likes and dis likes of all of them, There are a lot worse out there, Shop around It does not have to be the most expensive to provide you with a quality firearm, Ive heard people rip DPMS something terrible, I had a LR308 that was bolt action accurate and never FTF, FTE
A buddy of mine has a DPMS AR-15 never a hick up at all
I have a Windham made Bushmaster that shoots clover leafs at 100yds and has never let me down, I also own some of the high end stuff, Its expensive but they just don't fail, Buy what you want and shoot the crap out of it!!!

 

[rugerman07]

I finally decided on the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Sport I pick it up tomorrow. I think I got a good deal. With tax included I paid $676.00. I did a lot of research on this AR 15 and most everyone said, it's a great rifle for well under $1000.00. Thanks to everyone for your replies I really appreciate it.

 

[Inebriated]

You will enjoy it.

 

[Blade First]

Most happy to revive this thread. Prices for mil-spec parts have declined further and will continue to drop...no doubt to your consternation. After all, more proof that your assertions are false will be difficult to accept, but then facts aren't exactly in your wheelhouse are they?

 

[rogerjames]

Most happy to revive this thread. Prices for mil-spec parts have declined further and will continue to drop...no doubt to your consternation. After all, more proof that your assertions are false will be difficult to accept, but then facts aren't exactly in your wheelhouse are they?

Not saying your wrong, but most respected members here will post links to support their claims. Mil-spec parts could mean any number of thousands of things, so if you are going to beat your chest and stand on a soap box, you might want to consider supporting your claims with a little proof.

 

[greyghost01]

S&W seems to be selling everywhere at a very cheap price, The last gun show I was at you could buy one for as little as 500.00
To bad I have such a bad taste in my mouth for anything S&W
They are putting out some cheap stuff for sure.
Their CS sucks and warranty is lacking from what I understand,
I haven't dealt with them since the Clinton era, And then reading S&W the dark side by Chuck Hawkes convinced me to never own a S&W again.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Most happy to revive this thread. Prices for mil-spec parts have declined further and will continue to drop...no doubt to your consternation. After all, more proof that your assertions are false will be difficult to accept, but then facts aren't exactly in your wheelhouse are they?

If you're going to "revive this thread", then maybe you could help a brother out by posting actual links, and maybe screenshots for pages wherein pricing may be subject to change.

I bought my wife an M&P 15 and now I wouldn't mind building one on my own; though I'm thinking with the current market being what it is, it would be more cost effective to simply buy what I want and be done with it. But there is a lot to be said for the actual experience in building an AR-15 platform oneself.


And please...don't post comments like "do the research yourself" or "anyone can find these with a little searching". It's not helping either me in my efforts as a fellow interested gun owner or your own case.

If I want to build a "mil-spec" AR-15, what would you recommend and where would you recommend that I go to obtain the components cost effectively?

 

[MIL-DOT]

....And please...don't post comments like "do the research yourself" or "anyone can find these with a little searching". It's not helping either me in my efforts as a fellow interested gun owner or your own case.

THEN PROVE ME WRONG... That's all Warp and I have been asking from you or blade, or ANYONE for that matter... And no one has done it.

I took YOUR own advice to look at PSA, and found the links....

Yet the two of you really want to make bratty, snide comments like that without even doing a damn thing yourself? Keep hanging on to your $500 milspec AR dream, that's all it is....

I just read through the entire thread, and I have to agree: I don't believe anyone's built a brand new, fully milspec AR for $500 in 2015, and this jlr character seems to be just trolling and talking ****, as he's had numerous invitations to prove his case, but instead sidestepped them all.

 

[Robert]

If anyone making the some of the claims I've seen in this thread wish to support their argument with actual facts and some links then please pm me and we can revisit this thread. Until such time we are done here.