Help Me Decide On Which AR 15 To Buy

[RetiredUSNChief]

^^^^

How 'bout this:

Start another thread on the subject of cost vs building a mil-spec AR-15? It would be better served this way, as it would be a searchable topic for others and would also be on it's own track.

This has significantly wandered way off the OP's topic.

 

[Inebriated]

I think the biggest issue here is the lack of differentiation between what is milspec, and what is needed.

I can't see building a milspec rifle for under $500, but at the same time, I'll be the first to admit that people don't need milspec in every situation.

Learn what does what and what's made of what, learn if that matters to you, and then buy based off that.

 

[Warp]

I think the biggest issue here is the lack of differentiation between what is milspec, and what is needed.

I can't see building a milspec rifle for under $500, but at the same time, I'll be the first to admit that people don't need milspec in every situation.

Learn what does what and what's made of what, learn if that matters to you, and then buy based off that.

Definitely.

 

[Jlr2267]

^^^^

How 'bout this:

Start another thread on the subject of cost vs building a mil-spec AR-15? It would be better served this way, as it would be a searchable topic for others and would also be on it's own track.

This has significantly wandered way off the OP's topic.

That would, in theory, be a good idea.

I suspect that it would, however, quickly turn into a <squabble> between those who have actually done it, and those who have not.

 

[Warp]

That would, in theory, be a good idea.

I suspect that it would, however, quickly turn into a <squabble> between those who have actually done it, and those who have not.

Did you know you can build a mil spec AR for $350?

 

[Blade First]

"I did not over pay for anything." -- Warp

Here...let me help. No need to straddle the fence any longer.

1. Did you build at least one "mil-spec" AR-15 yourself?

2. If you did, what did you pay, in total, to build it?

Please don't concern yourself with whether or not you paid shipping or sales tax, but do state clearly which parts and pieces you bought at full MSRP vs. what you bought at less than MSRP.

1. Do not presume that you will be the only one able to define "mil-spec".

2. Do presume that we're going to compare parts and pieces and, to the dollar,
what we paid for them.

Up for the challenge? You should be.

Anyone else want to join in? Let's get this party started!

 

[Warp]

"I did not over pay for anything." -- Warp

Here...let me help. No need to straddle the fence any longer.

1. Did you build at least one "mil-spec" AR-15 yourself?

2. If you did, what did you pay, in total, to build it?

Please don't concern yourself with whether or not you paid shipping or sales tax, but do state clearly which parts and pieces you bought at full MSRP vs. what you bought at less than MSRP.

1. Do not presume that you will be the only one able to define "mil-spec".

2. Do presume that we're going to compare parts and pieces and, to the dollar,
what we paid for them.

Up for the challenge? You should be.

Anyone else want to join in? Let's get this party started!

All this over the simple fact that you cannot go out and build a $500 'mil spec' AR.

If you want to show that it can be done, post the links. We're waiting.

(no, I haven't built a mil-spec AR, as I have not built a 16" carbine-gas rifle nor have I built a rifle with all-new parts plus the rifles I've built had various parts that were better and more expensive than 'mil-spec'...but what any of us have done in the past is irrelevant to the fact that, right now, you can not build a 'mil spec' AR for $500, which is why telling people they can do it is wrong and is the opposite of helpful)

 

[Blade First]

"...(no, I haven't built a mil-spec AR, as I have not built a 16" carbine-gas rifle nor have I built a rifle with all-new parts plus the rifles I've built had various parts that were better and more expensive than 'mil-spec'..." -- Warp

Finally...the truth:

You have absolutely no idea what it costs to build a "mil-spec" AR but are adamant that it can't be done at a particular price point because...well...you say it can't be done. But you haven't built one.

Unfortunately, for your assertion, I *have* built ARs using true mil-spec parts. And in today's market, if you have the proper tools and trusted parts suppliers and actually *know* what you are doing, you can build what you call a "mil-spec" AR for $500...or less.

I do thank you for your honesty...

 

[Warp]

"...(no, I haven't built a mil-spec AR, as I have not built a 16" carbine-gas rifle nor have I built a rifle with all-new parts plus the rifles I've built had various parts that were better and more expensive than 'mil-spec'..." -- Warp

Finally...the truth:

You have absolutely no idea what it costs to build a "mil-spec" AR but are adamant that it can't be done at a particular price point because...well...you say it can't be done. But you haven't built one.

Unfortunately, for your assertion, I *have* built ARs using true mil-spec parts. And in today's market, if you have the proper tools and trusted parts suppliers and actually *know* what you are doing, you can build what you call a "mil-spec" AR for $500...or less.

I do thank you for your honesty...

You can not build a "mil-spec" AR for $500.

If you want to tell us otherwise, make with the links.

There is no need to attempt to turn this into a series personal attacks and attempted insults. We can stick to the facts, as they apply to everybody, and work just fine.

 

[Jlr2267]

I suspect that it would, however, quickly turn into a <squabble> between those who have actually done it, and those who have not.

^^^^ this guy must be psychic

 

[12many]

What's the best AR?

 

[C-grunt]

I am very interested in building this 500 dollar milspec AR-15. Can someone please post links to the parts?

 

[Blade First]

"There is no need to attempt to turn this into a series personal attacks and attempted insults."

No personal attacks and no insults...just a request for facts instead of blind assertions. You don't have any experience that would contradict what others have already done.

As someone earlier in the thread suggested, we aren't going to invest in the homework you can't be bothered to complete yourself to support your "argument". Do your own work if you want to support your assertion. What could be simpler?

"We can stick to the facts, as they apply to everybody, and work just fine."

You haven't presented any facts...only assertions; based on, by your own admission, no experience.

 

[Inebriated]

Post the links to the $500 milspec AR and this would end.

 

[Jlr2267]

For anyone seriously interested in building one, rather than winning an internet argument, start watching PSA specials for your upper/bcg. Stripped lowers are falling off trees at $50 or less. The only parts you'll need to look around for will be a lower extension and possibly a buffer

 

[Inebriated]

PSA lower, $50
ALG Defense LPK with QMS, $75
BCM Stock kit, $67; Milspec 7075, not just "milspec" diameter.
Charging handle, $19; Cheapest in stock that I found.
PSA CHF upper, $299
PSA BCG, $109
$70-$100 for any decent, aluminum rear sight.

Total:At least $689....

I'm sorry, a fully milspec rifle cannot be built on a whim at $500... Maybe if you camp out every Black Friday and Christmas, you can piece one together but to say that you can do it right now is disingenuous.

 

[Jlr2267]

PSA lower, $50
ALG Defense LPK with QMS, $75
BCM Stock kit, $67; Milspec 7075, not just "milspec" diameter.
Charging handle, $19; Cheapest in stock that I found.
PSA CHF upper, $299
PSA BCG, $109
$70-$100 for any decent, aluminum rear sight.

Total:At least $689....

I'm sorry, a fully milspec rifle cannot be built on a whim at $500... Maybe if you camp out every Black Friday and Christmas, you can piece one together but to say that you can do it right now is disingenuous.

You couldn't do it in 5 minutes, so its impossible...

It took me about 5 weeks to get everything.

 

[Inebriated]

You couldn't do it in 5 minutes, so its impossible...

THEN PROVE ME WRONG... That's all Warp and I have been asking from you or blade, or ANYONE for that matter... And no one has done it.

I took YOUR own advice to look at PSA, and found the links....

Yet the two of you really want to make bratty, snide comments like that without even doing a damn thing yourself? Keep hanging on to your $500 milspec AR dream, that's all it is....

 

[Jlr2267]

THEN PROVE ME WRONG... That's all Warp and I have been asking from you or blade, or ANYONE for that matter... And no one has done it.

I took YOUR own advice to look at PSA, and found the links....

Yet the two of you really want to make bratty, snide comments like that without even doing a damn thing yourself? Keep hanging on to your $500 milspec AR dream, that's all it is....

Guess you missed the part about "watching the PSA deals". Do your own leg work...or don't...I don't care if you overpay.

 

[Inebriated]

Guess you missed the part about "watching the PSA deals". Do your own leg work...or don't...I don't care if you overpay.

Guess you missed the part where I said "it can't be built on a whim"?

 

[Jlr2267]

Guess you missed the part where I said "it can't be built on a whim"?

And I never claimed it could be built "on a whim." That's called "moving the goalpost."

What I did say is that it can be done...because I, and others, have done it...recently...like in 2015.

 

[Blade First]

"Post the links to the $500 milspec AR and this would end." -- Inebriated

I'm sorry...do you think this exercise in fact-finding should end because you're tired of the assertion of someone who admits he has no experience...or the multiple experiences of those who contradict that assertion?

Prices for building a "mil-spec" AR-15 are not static for two reasons:

1. The last two presidential elections and the subsequent reactions in the marketplaces prove how dynamic our economy is. Your simplistic reaction is based on static analysis. If you're confused...or convicted...please research the sales curves for firearms mfrs. in the last eight years.

2. The market for AR-15 pieces and parts has exploded! The AR-15/AR-10 platforms are available in a bewildering choice of calibers. The platform is the most popular semi-auto carbine/rifle in American history and absolutely dominates current sales.

Competition creates great things...and the AR market has forever divorced itself from the restraining dependency on military contracts with certain brands; ...especially those

 

[Warp]

"Post the links to the $500 milspec AR and this would end." -- Inebriated

I'm sorry...do you think this exercise in fact-finding should end because you're tired of the assertion of someone who admits he has no experience...or the multiple experiences of those who contradict that assertion?

Please stop the baseless personal insults and attacks.

I have plenty of experience which is precisely how I know you are wrong.

You can not build a $500 "mil-spec" AR15 type rifle. Which is why nobody, including yourself, can provide the links showing how to do it. Even when somebody tried to post links to one they built in the past, it wasn't "mil-spec". It cannot be done and I have yet to find a person who has ever done it (it being build a mil-spec AR15 type rifle with all-new retail purchased parts for $500 or less).

 

[Inebriated]

You can not build a $500 "mil-spec" AR15 type rifle. Which is why nobody, including yourself, can provide the links showing how to do it. Even when somebody tried to post links to one they built in the past, it wasn't "mil-spec". It cannot be done and I have yet to find a person who has ever done it (it being build a mil-spec AR15 type rifle with all-new retail purchased parts for $500 or less).

They don't get it, and if they haven't by now, they won't.

 

[Jackal]

Problem here is, almost no one wants a "mil spec" rifle. I certainly dont. I dont like A2 flash hiders, I unstake the castle nut as soon as I install a sling plate, I remove the crappy "milspec" trigger for a better one, I prefer non "milspec" free float tubes, I dont like standard charging handles, milspec grips, trigger guards, stocks,etc,etc,etc. Mil Spec doesnt mean "the best", its simply good a jumping off point to improve upon and tailor to the end user.