Help Me Decide On Which AR 15 To Buy

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"That question is conveniently ignored." -- Warp

That's simply not true. I gave a very specific reference including model and part numbers and the website where the upper and lower could be found. I noted why it was a better product. Is it just too much trouble for you to investigate?

Or perhaps you did and what you found just didn't fit the template for your argument.

Others in this thread have suggested brands which answer your question. Do I need to be redundant and copy them for you or can you go back and review them for yourself?

"People don't generally log in to grab a gun or go to their LGS, buy a new AR type rifle, and then buy more/additional items from the same company."

Astonishing. You can't possibly back up such a blanket assertion. The most successful companies, including those in the firearms industry, establish a brand and pour millions, if not billions, into line extensions of that brand. Why? Because the profit margin is going to be much higher.

What you are suggesting is that companies simply ignore the very brand loyalty they have spent years and fortunes developing. Astonishing.

"Again..buying a product that a company puts on the market, for the price they put it on the market for, is not something you can throw insults at the buyer for. Seriously."

I sure hope he didn't take my sarcasm as an insult. Look...again you have missed my point. If the company goes out of business or drops the product out of their catalog or [worst case scenario] decides they will no longer warranty it, you [the consumer] are just out of luck. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how little you paid for that product.

"Then what you do probably isn't very relevant to a person asking what new, complete AR to buy."

LOL! Since when can you develop relevant expertise by buying the occasional complete AR? You don't learn how to build, test, evaluate and repair ARs by handing the clerk at your LGS your credit card.
 
"That question is conveniently ignored." -- Warp

That's simply not true. I gave a very specific reference including model and part numbers and the website where the upper and lower could be found. I noted why it was a better product. Is it just too much trouble for you to investigate?

I stopped reading here as this clearly does not even qualify for the "complete rifle" scenario that was being discussed.

Sorry.
 
I priced out that Aero rifle, which by the way looks like a nice option, and it came out to 770 for the cheapest 16 inch rifle they make. But that is minus any iron sights and has a Carbine buffer instead of a H buffer.

Throw in a H buffer which runs about 25 bucks and some Magpul sights for 80 bucks and you're at 875 for what I would say is a very nice rifle for the money.
 
I priced out that Aero rifle, which by the way looks like a nice option, and it came out to 770 for the cheapest 16 inch rifle they make. But that is minus any iron sights and has a Carbine buffer instead of a H buffer.

Throw in a H buffer which runs about 25 bucks and some Magpul sights for 80 bucks and you're at 875 for what I would say is a very nice rifle for the money.

So almost exactly the same price as a Colt when grab a gun has one of their (frequent) deals.

Or $75 more than a mid length Spikes from AIM.

:)
 
This thread is a colt fanboy hijacking
No fanboy hijacking. Just facts.

If someone wants to buy a budget AR for plinking thats fine. But spending the same money or more for a substandard product vs the "gold standard" is just bad purchasing. Now if someone really wants a Bushmaster or DPMS for 1000 bucks then go for it.

However, as a guy who has used M16s and AR15s professionally most of my entire adult life I like properly built rifles. Ive used Bushmaster at work before and it failed on several occasions. Ive also had two privately owned Bushmasters that never had a problem. But normal target shooting useage usually doesnt expose the faults as quickly as duty work does.

Do I think Colt makes a great rifle? Yes. I do own one and use one at work. However my last two rifles have been BCM and Sionics builds and my next two are going to be a BCM A4 and a DMR built around a BCM with a White Oak barrel.
 
Some claim their plastic uppers & lowers will break easily or won't stand the test of time. They said pretty much the same thing about Glocks when they came out.

Non sequiter.
The 16" (or greater) AR barrel is screwed into the END of the carbon/plastic upper. Grab the barrel and force it--any significant force (multiplied by the leverage) can break the upper (do a search).

The Glock barrel is supported by both the the slide and the frame through its entire length. Grab the slide and you have 4" of leverage. If that.

Kind of like trying to break a goose's neck versus trying to break a turtle's neck.
 
If you are comfortable with basic assembly and have a few tools, you can build your own milspec for ~$500 with basic sights. PSA sells some very reasonably priced (and very good quality) complete uppers. It has never been cheaper so you're in the market at a great time.
 
If you are comfortable with basic assembly and have a few tools, you can build your own milspec for ~$500 with basic sights. PSA sells some very reasonably priced (and very good quality) complete uppers. It has never been cheaper so you're in the market at a great time.

It would cost more than $500.

You can get down to $500, even for new complete rifles, if you are willing to give up on some specs or wait a month or two for shipment. If I really wanted a $500 price point I'd probably try to find a delton
 
It would cost more than $500.

You can get down to $500, even for new complete rifles, if you are willing to give up on some specs or wait a month or two for shipment. If I really wanted a $500 price point I'd probably try to find a delton
No, it wouldn't. I just built one for under $500.
 
No, it wouldn't. I just built one for under $500.

Would you mind listing and linking the parts list?

You would be the first person I have found to accomplish that feat with new parts (far from the first to make the claim, though).
 
Would you mind listing and linking the parts list?

You would be the first person I have found to accomplish that feat with new parts (far from the first to make the claim, though).
Complete milspec upper w/FN barrel: (I bought this for $239 as a previous daily deal)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...1-7-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

Complete milspec lower: (I bought a kit for $69 + $49 stripped lower = $120)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/14434/

BCG (currently out of stock): (payed $89 on sale)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/2321/category/333/

Everything was free shipping.

That leaves about $50 for a rear sight.

Edit: looking back at my records, I actually paid $109 for the BCG...
 
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Complete milspec upper w/FN barrel: (I bought this for $239 as a previous daily deal)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/inde...1-7-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

Complete milspec lower: (I bought a kit for $69 + $49 stripped lower = $120)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/14434/

BCG (currently out of stock): (payed $89 on sale)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/2321/category/333/

Everything was free shipping.

That leaves about $50 for a rear sight.

Edit: looking back at my records, I actually paid $109 for the BCG...

The upper is $280, the fact that you got it on special at one time doesn't mean that, as you claimed, somebody can get it for that sale price now.

The lower you linked is not mil spec. Receiver extension is "mil spec diameter". There is a difference.

The lower you linked comes with a carbine weight buffer, a mil spec buffer would be a Heavy buffer.

Now, you may want to argue for why that rifle would be "as good as" or "you won't notice the difference" compared to an actual mil spec rifle, but...it isn't one. For the record.
 
Geez. Building a 500 dollar AR is easy. Many people claim to do it.. because they did it. Just for fun friends and I have made bets on how cheap we could build one.
 
Geez. Building a 500 dollar AR is easy. Many people claim to do it.. because they did it. Just for fun friends and I have made bets on how cheap we could build one.

Of course you can build a cheap $500 AR. You can probably to to a local gun store and buy a complete ready to go AR for that that much or less. There is a lot of cheap stuff out there.
 
The upper is $280, the fact that you got it on special at one time doesn't mean that, as you claimed, somebody can get it for that sale price now.

The lower you linked is not mil spec. Receiver extension is "mil spec diameter". There is a difference.

The lower you linked comes with a carbine weight buffer, a mil spec buffer would be a Heavy buffer.

Now, you may want to argue for why that rifle would be "as good as" or "you won't notice the difference" compared to an actual mil spec rifle, but...it isn't one. For the record.
The fact that I got it on special means that anyone can, with some patience. The lower I built was not the exact one linked, as I clearly stated I bought a milspec kit + stripped lower for even less than the one linked.

So, for the record, yes, it can be done...I'm truly sorry if you overpaid.
 
We still don't know which M&P he is looking at. Sport or M&P 15, or what he would pay for it, or what makes him lean towards those two.
I'm looking at the M&P Sport 15 and Ruger AR 556. Quality and price is what makes me lean toward these two rifles. I've read nothing but great reviews on both. The M&P is readily available in my area. Dunham Sports has them in for $699.99. They've run sales on them in the past for $599.99 and I was told they most likely will again. The Ruger is harder to get. I was told since it was a new model Ruger is currently filling back orders so it will be a while before it is readily available.
 
The fact that I got it on special means that anyone can, with some patience. The lower I built was not the exact one linked, as I clearly stated I bought a milspec kit + stripped lower for even less than the one linked.

So, for the record, yes, it can be done...I'm truly sorry if you overpaid.

I did not over pay for anything.

I highly doubt you built a mil spec rifle for $500, and I am flying the bologna flag that a person can build a $500 mil spec rifle right now, despite your claim. The fact that you cannot support that claim with any links indicates that I am correct.

Feel free to show that I am wrong at any time.

I'm looking at the M&P Sport 15 and Ruger AR 556. Quality and price is what makes me lean toward these two rifles. I've read nothing but great reviews on both. The M&P is readily available in my area. Dunham Sports has them in for $699.99. They've run sales on them in the past for $599.99 and I was told they most likely will again. The Ruger is harder to get. I was told since it was a new model Ruger is currently filling back orders so it will be a while before it is readily available.

$700 + tax is not a good deal for a S&W Sport. I would not pay that. I'm not even sold on it for $600, not in today's market. Does that store carry Delton or Spikes? What can you get a S&W M&P 15 (not the sport) for?
 
I did not over pay for anything.

I highly doubt you built a mil spec rifle for $500, and I am flying the bologna flag that a person can build a $500 mil spec rifle right now, despite your claim. The fact that you cannot support that claim with any links indicates that I am correct.

Feel free to show that I am wrong at any time.



$700 + tax is not a good deal for a S&W Sport. I would not pay that. I'm not even sold on it for $600, not in today's market. Does that store carry Delton or Spikes? What can you get a S&W M&P 15 (not the sport) for?
Lol. So you pointed out the buffer as the deal breaker eh? What's the cost delta $5? You seem a little angry that others able to build sub $500 milspec rifles.

I don't need to prove anything...anyone with a computer can price it out and see for themselves. I suggest you do the same if you want to save some $
 
Lol. So you pointed out the buffer as the deal breaker eh? What's the cost delta $5? You seem a little angry that others able to build sub $500 milspec rifles.

I don't need to prove anything...anyone with a computer can price it out and see for themselves. I suggest you do the same if you want to save some $

You cannot build a mil-spec AR15 type rifle for $500 with new parts.

I pointed out multiple parts, not just the buffer.
 
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