Hi-Point 10mm NEW PISTOL

If it’s all you can afford more power to you but don’t come to me comparing it to anything else. I’ll not agree with you. I think the slide is made of zinc hence the gigantic size. I paid double the $200 for this RIA 10 mm and at least twice as happy. B97-DCC3-B-E9-A3-45-A3-9-E91-80-D3-B68-DD90-F.jpg
 
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Buzznrose said:
$199 seems like a lot of money for a club/boat anchor….
;)
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For anything in a significantly effecrive handgun caliber that isnt 9mm you're gonna pay about triple that.

That severly lowers the potential consumer and the effect that has is demand for ammo doesn't increase, thus supply doesn't increase and price doesn't decrease.

I'm not going to say a 48oz 10mm is something I want, but at least it exists now and could change things for the caliber.

I mean, can you imagine if another 100k 10mm pistols gets sold as a result of Hi Point now making them? That'd be huge
 
tarosean said:
what’s a box of full house 10mm run now-a-days??
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Same as a box of premium 9mm JHP, just like everything else.

The only non-botique 10mm that I've seen advertised over 1200 fps for a 180gr or heavier bullet is Fiocchi.
 
AustinTX said:
Peak chamber pressure isn’t the only thing — or even the main thing — to focus on. A .40 S&W round and a 10mm round each with a 37,500 psi peak pressure (and loaded with similar powders) are nonetheless generally going to produce very different recoil energies.
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How? If they're loaded to the same psi and propelling the same bullet there shouldn't be any discernable difference in recoil.
 
TTv2 said:
How? If they're loaded to the same psi and propelling the same bullet there shouldn't be any discernable difference in recoil.
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It's a calculus problem. Focus on the area under the pressure-travel curve — the average pressure exerted on the projectile by the propellant — not solely the peak pressure figure, which is achieved for only a small fraction of the time that the bullet is in the barrel.

What effect do you think the difference in case capacity has here? Why does a full-house 125-grain .357 Mag. (35,000 psi peak chamber pressure) produce far more recoil and muzzle energy than 9mm NATO (124 grains, ~36,500 psi) or full-power 124-grain 9mm +P rounds like the Gold Dot and HST (approaching 38,500 psi), despite propelling a bullet of essentially the same dimensions and mass at a significantly lower peak pressure?
 
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21H40 said:
First 44M and then 50 AE. Let HiPoint give the Desert Eagle some long overdue competition!
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I’m even ok with paying and extra $50 for more Zinc-Alloy.

Desert Eagle is overrated and I’ll probably eventually get a .50AE DE !!!
 
AustinTX said:
It's a calculus problem. Focus on the area under the pressure-travel curve — the average pressure exerted on the projectile by the propellant — not solely the peak pressure figure, which is achieved for only a small fraction of the time that the bullet is in the barrel.

What effect do you think the difference in case capacity has here? Why does a full-house 125-grain .357 Mag. (35,000 psi peak chamber pressure) produce far more recoil and muzzle energy than 9mm NATO (124 grains, ~36,500 psi) or full-power 124-grain 9mm +P rounds like the Gold Dot and HST (approaching 38,500 psi), despite propelling a bullet of essentially the same dimensions and mass at a significantly lower peak pressure?
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You talking about shooting a 9mm and .357 in a revolver? Because 9mm in a semi auto there's the recoil spring and the slide reducing recoil while revolver nothing moves or absorbs some recoil.
 
In San Antonio and Austin, two of major 'gun stores' were Fudd Palaces of Grampus clerks. Rude, glaring clerks, overpriced, crap service. Two, a small store and another major were pretty good.

So far in WNY, three LGS were pretty good on service, transfers, smithing.

At the big box stores, Cabelas ran bait and switch ads and ignorant clerks. Academy decent big box prices, clerks were variable. One was truly rude and actually made me go all "Karen" to the manager, although the term wasn't used then.
 
TTv2 said:
IMO, .30 Super and 5.7x28.
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Both 30SC and 5.7 permit about 11 oz slide for the safe operation. It might need bumping up for the longevity of the gun and recoil reduction, but still well within the parameters of the old 9mm Hi-Point. They could do it any time they wanted.
 
zaitcev said:
Both 30SC and 5.7 permit about 11 oz slide for the safe operation. It might need bumping up for the longevity of the gun and recoil reduction, but still well within the parameters of the old 9mm Hi-Point. They could do it any time they wanted.
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There's little practical reason for Hi Point to make a pistol in a caliber any more powerful than 10mm, so what remains that they could bring to market in a more practical to carry size and in order to get market share would be calibers that few others make a pistol in, which is .30SC and 5.7.

The problem with 5.7 is it needs barrel length to achieve any useful velocity, but Hi Point has to keep the slide the same weight otherwise the blowback action won't work with a heavier slide (which will always be heavy Zamak) so the only solution if they made a 5.7 is to take a C9 and make the barrel 5 inches long.

I don't much care for 5.7, but a C9 in .30SC for $150 I would buy just to get my feet wet in the cartridge.
 
A number of years ago now, a fellow on another forum used to trash Hi-Points every chance he got. Apparently a Hi-Point had kicked sand in his face, stolen his milk money, and run off with his prom date or something. I had never even heard of Hi-Point at that time, so I was curious about them. I finally found a local shop that carried them, and traded a Taurus 85 that I didn't want anymore, plus $7.50 cash money for a brand new Hi-Point C-9, a box of 9mm ammo, and a background check.

I shot the snot out of that silly thing. It was a hoot. I shot a couple thousand rounds through it with a total of six malfunctions, four of which came out of the same box of "range reload" ammo. I finally got bored with it and sold it for $100 and had a half dozen "I'll take it if he doesn't" promises lined up.

I've never been interested in the 10mm except for a flurry of interest when the Bren 10 came out. The the Colt Delta Elite was the next one I remember. I know I've never seen a Bren 10, and their history is pretty well known. I may have seen a Delta Elite, but I never seriously considered one. I find my semi-auto needs are pretty well covered by 9mm and 45, with a slight assist from the 380 (22's are not counted in this discussion)....

BUT!

I might be interested in a Hi-Point 10mm, just for grins and giggles. Why not? I've wasted more money on less for other things. Heck, back in my bass fishing days, I had a "Color-C-lector" and a PH-Meter. No telling how many lures I bought that never caught a fish. We won't even talk about how many tournaments I paid to enter and got not one thin dime back. :what: Now that I think about it, shooting is downright cheap compared to bass fishing.
 
TTv2 said:
You talking about shooting a 9mm and .357 in a revolver? Because 9mm in a semi auto there's the recoil spring and the slide reducing recoil while revolver nothing moves or absorbs some recoil.
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It doesn't actually matter. We're not talking about felt recoil. Recoil force and recoil energy are matters of simple Newtonian physics. For a given bullet weight and velocity, the structure of the recoiling system (semi-auto, revolver, test barrel mounted in a fixture bolted to a concrete slab) is irrelevant -- the total recoil force is the same. But, sure, if it's helpful in some way, consider the aforementioned ammo comparison while thinking of a .357 Mag. Korth or Manurhin MR73 with the interchangeable 9mm cylinder.

Or think of .460 Mag. versus .454 Casull in a S&W Model 460. By your theory, max loads for both with identical bullet weights should produce equivalent performance -- and equivalent recoil force -- since maximum chamber pressure for each is 65,000 psi. And yet that is very much not the case.

Or just go back to the original ammo comparison of 10mm versus .40 S&W "+P," each rated at 37,500 psi maximum chamber pressure. Look at Buffalo Bore's 180-grain .40 S&W "+P" load and their standard-pressure 180-grain 10mm load. Note that muzzle velocity is almost 23% faster and muzzle energy more than 50% greater for the latter over the former out of a 5" barrel.

Considering these facts, it should be clear that the idea that maximum chamber pressure is the sole determinant of recoil force or energy for a given bullet weight and barrel length is very far from correct.
 
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