Hi-Point: Contender for Ugliest Gun of the Year?
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Having a gun is better then not having nothing at all...
Don't start with your "I rather throw a rock" Idiots!
Don't start with your "I rather throw a rock" Idiots!
hotpig
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Same thread on every gunboard about twice per week.
People that have Hi Points like them. People that don't have Hi Points hate them.
Kind of like caliber wars. Pointless and a waste of band space.
People that have Hi Points like them. People that don't have Hi Points hate them.
Kind of like caliber wars. Pointless and a waste of band space.
BryanP
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Back when I was poor (apparently you don't remember what that's like) I did what I had to. At one point "home defense" consisted of an old baseball bat. Then it became a sub-$100 single-shot shotgun. Then I added an old used sub-$200 Taurus revolver. Both of them served me well for several years. These days I can afford considerably better, but I would never sneer at anyone who wanted an inexpensive home defense option.
These weapons do serve a need. It's good to know the relative merits of the different low-end guns so that you can say "Hi points are ugly and bulky, but they're a lot more reliable than that Jennings you're looking at."
BryanP
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Not entirely. I've never owned a Hi Point, but I recognize that they fill a niche.
Suggesting people save a little more money and get a considerbly better weapon (IMO) is "sneering"? That's one strange definition you have there.
But we've gotten way off track. The original topic is are HiPoints ugly. Don't think anybody has come up with a reasonable argument that they aren't.
While I have never owned a high point one of my neighbors and one of my co-workers both do. according to them they work pretty well as long as they are kept clean. They aren't pretty. I don't believe you could put 500 rounds through one without cleaning it without a malfunction. But if you're willing to keep it clean from what I have been told it will work. Saw some 9mm high points for sale at a gun show last year for $99. 00 pretty hard to beat price for self defense. Almost bought one myself just for something to play with but thought I'd rather wait & get something I really want. I don't want or care for them but at the same time others seem to get good service out of them so who am I to criticize their choice. Would be like somebody criticizing my Ford truck cause it ain't a Chevy and I would feel just like the High Point owners probably do.
Ton of choices in the $150 range...
Brand new Makarovs, used .38 revolvers, Ruger autoloaders, different brands of used .380 quality autoloaders (Beretta, CZ, etc..)
For home defense, you can buy a brand new Mossberg 500 for $199 (sometimes some local stores offer them at $149!!!) when on sale at Wal Mart..
Hi-Points, IMHO are fine as drawer guns..too bulky, heavy and with iffy safety to use it as carry guns....kind of defy the purpose of a pistol....
I agree that if you want to buy only new guns, with only $100 dollars more ($250 range) you have way more opportunities for quality (and easier to carry and conceal) pistols, Bersa Thunder 380, Kel-Tecs, S&W Sigma to name a few
I do not think i'm a gun snob for suggesting to save for few months more..if you can save $150 you can save $250 or $300 come on guys be real....
Ltlabner is right..if you follow that logic, you can stop saving at $100 and get a Jimenez and prey that it will not jam or explode in your face...
Brand new Makarovs, used .38 revolvers, Ruger autoloaders, different brands of used .380 quality autoloaders (Beretta, CZ, etc..)
For home defense, you can buy a brand new Mossberg 500 for $199 (sometimes some local stores offer them at $149!!!) when on sale at Wal Mart..
Hi-Points, IMHO are fine as drawer guns..too bulky, heavy and with iffy safety to use it as carry guns....kind of defy the purpose of a pistol....
I agree that if you want to buy only new guns, with only $100 dollars more ($250 range) you have way more opportunities for quality (and easier to carry and conceal) pistols, Bersa Thunder 380, Kel-Tecs, S&W Sigma to name a few
I do not think i'm a gun snob for suggesting to save for few months more..if you can save $150 you can save $250 or $300 come on guys be real....
Ltlabner is right..if you follow that logic, you can stop saving at $100 and get a Jimenez and prey that it will not jam or explode in your face...
Tribal
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It seems that some people here don't believe that there are folks who can't just come up with an extra $150 on demand. Let's say your a single woman working at a low-paying job. You've got debts, rent to pay, and you're already considering dropping phone service. Even coming up with the initial $150 may mean dining on ramen noodles for a long while. Shotguns are nice for home defense, but it's hard to carry one in a purse if you're worried about crime on the streets or at your job.
A lot of what's being said just seems like snobbery: if you can't afford a nice gun, you shouldn't have one at all.
Also, back on topic: Hi-Points aren't pretty, but I can think of many uglier ones (and that's not even counting old European revolvers!).
A lot of what's being said just seems like snobbery: if you can't afford a nice gun, you shouldn't have one at all.
Also, back on topic: Hi-Points aren't pretty, but I can think of many uglier ones (and that's not even counting old European revolvers!).
1911Tuner
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Dunno why everybody slams Hi-Points. Every one that I've talked to who actually owns one reports that most of'em work quite well, as many straight blowbacks tend to do. They're dead simple.
Some people can't afford to spend upward of 700 dollars for a defensive pistol. Many can ill-afford even the low price of the Hi-Points. Po' folk have a right to have the means to fight back, too.
No...It's not what I would choose, given the option and the wherewithal, and not what I would want to carry...mainly because of the bulk...but as an emergency tool to keep in the house or the trunk of the car, they fit that niche nicely.They're affordable enough to have several stashed in strategic locations around the house, and/or in the trunk of the wife's or daughter's car in case of a breakdown far from help or late at night...and would not only be a great comfort while waiting for the tow truck...could well turn out to be the only thing that gets'em home alive.
Added to the fact that they have a lifetime warranty, and the owners who have had problems have told me that there's no run-around...no questions asked...and zero problems in getting the pistols in working order...right up to and including replacement of a defective pistol in quick-time.
Some people can't afford to spend upward of 700 dollars for a defensive pistol. Many can ill-afford even the low price of the Hi-Points. Po' folk have a right to have the means to fight back, too.
No...It's not what I would choose, given the option and the wherewithal, and not what I would want to carry...mainly because of the bulk...but as an emergency tool to keep in the house or the trunk of the car, they fit that niche nicely.They're affordable enough to have several stashed in strategic locations around the house, and/or in the trunk of the wife's or daughter's car in case of a breakdown far from help or late at night...and would not only be a great comfort while waiting for the tow truck...could well turn out to be the only thing that gets'em home alive.
Added to the fact that they have a lifetime warranty, and the owners who have had problems have told me that there's no run-around...no questions asked...and zero problems in getting the pistols in working order...right up to and including replacement of a defective pistol in quick-time.
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1911Tuner,
Well said and I agree.
Ugliest Gun?
Not long ago saw a 1911 clone , custom made with duck butts, fuzzy dice, bells, whistles and had more ..."looks like two pigs fighting in a blanket".
Thank goodness they only spent $2,750 for this gun that would not run, I would hate to think what the $2,995 one looked like.
Why even the FLGR sorta thingy was not fit for a gate pin...
Well said and I agree.
Ugliest Gun?
Not long ago saw a 1911 clone , custom made with duck butts, fuzzy dice, bells, whistles and had more ..."looks like two pigs fighting in a blanket".
Thank goodness they only spent $2,750 for this gun that would not run, I would hate to think what the $2,995 one looked like.
Why even the FLGR sorta thingy was not fit for a gate pin...
The way I see it, once you decide to defend yourself with a gun. that requires being proficient with them (you do not want to kill innocent bystanders or hurt yourself), meaning range time and buying bullets = expenses.
Even at Wal-Mart one box of 9 mm can be $15 easily + $10 everytime you go to the range, around my area....so I think people on extremely tight budget when they cannot really come up with or save few more dollars have other problems other than the solely price of the gun...
It's not like you buy a gun, put in your pocket and you are ready to defend yourself...actually if you are so broke that you cannot afford even range time buying a used revolver makes more sense since they are way more reliable while a new autoloader may require a period of break-in in order work properly and that means expenses...
Even at Wal-Mart one box of 9 mm can be $15 easily + $10 everytime you go to the range, around my area....so I think people on extremely tight budget when they cannot really come up with or save few more dollars have other problems other than the solely price of the gun...
It's not like you buy a gun, put in your pocket and you are ready to defend yourself...actually if you are so broke that you cannot afford even range time buying a used revolver makes more sense since they are way more reliable while a new autoloader may require a period of break-in in order work properly and that means expenses...
I'm so sick of this. Do you guys criticize the neighbors for grilling hamburgers instead of T-bones? Do you laugh with your friends at the guy who has to drive a 94 Neon to work? I bet you had all kinds of fun with the kids who wore second-hand clothes back when you were in school.
My Hi-Point is bionic. That's not the point. Your OP is mean-spirited. I view firearms ownership as a necessity - not a luxury. If all a person can afford is a Hi-Point, more power to them.
How about you go enjoy your horseback fox hunt and a mint julep?
Some poor dude comes here for help and all you can do is play homecoming queen/voted most popular games.
Get a life.
My Hi-Point is bionic. That's not the point. Your OP is mean-spirited. I view firearms ownership as a necessity - not a luxury. If all a person can afford is a Hi-Point, more power to them.
How about you go enjoy your horseback fox hunt and a mint julep?
Some poor dude comes here for help and all you can do is play homecoming queen/voted most popular games.
Get a life.
czbegenner
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who ever said that High-point weapons are good there wrong,I had a 9mm high point,went to the range
and it did not fire,i am glad i never had to use it for self defense.I would
have been in trouble
and it did not fire,i am glad i never had to use it for self defense.I would
have been in trouble
bensdad
Your comment is really uncalled for...here me and different other members try to help people that do not know much about firearms and are on a budget to make the right decision and we gave several options in the same price range to get a practical pistol..
Is giving advices being elitist???
You are reall out of the line..nobody makes fun of anybody here and we didn't suggest people to get a Kimber or a Sig....
Your comment is really uncalled for...here me and different other members try to help people that do not know much about firearms and are on a budget to make the right decision and we gave several options in the same price range to get a practical pistol..
Is giving advices being elitist???
You are reall out of the line..nobody makes fun of anybody here and we didn't suggest people to get a Kimber or a Sig....
Dravur
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Awww yes, the sweet smell of snobbery. I must admit that I have never and will never buy a Hi Point. mostly cuz I can afford better, have better and have always had better....
But, here's the rub. The only reason I had better in college was....I had some of my Dad's guns. I was not rolling in cash like now. If money is tight and 150 beans was all I could scrape up, then the hi Point or a used pistol might have been just dandy.
At least from what I have heard, they shoot and the warranty is top notch.
Now, they are as ugly as Rosie Odonnell's butt....but hey, they are cheap..... just like Rosie.
So...... Hi-points doesn't suit your refined taste in firearm aesthetics?.....don't buy one......If you are looking through a gun magazine and see a picture of one and don't like the way it looks...don't buy one......If you "KNOW" how to save money and can afford something that you deem a better firearm.....then don't buy a Hi-Point....There was that hard?
Oh.... if there are little red dots under the words you attempted to spell, it means that you spelled it wrong...go back and try again....or look in a dictionary...
My nephew carried a High-Point nine for years in the bush in AK. I gave him flak for packin' a nine......not for packin' a Hi-Point...some people...
Oh.... if there are little red dots under the words you attempted to spell, it means that you spelled it wrong...go back and try again....or look in a dictionary...
My nephew carried a High-Point nine for years in the bush in AK. I gave him flak for packin' a nine......not for packin' a Hi-Point...some people...
DrDeFab
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Judging solely on aesthetics, Hi-Point has been given a lifetime acheivement award for ugly, (as has Glock,) and is therefore disqualified. Sorry... 
This year my nominee is: S&W 327 TRR8 (Not an autoloader, but definitely ugly, especially when over-accessorized.
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This year my nominee is: S&W 327 TRR8 (Not an autoloader, but definitely ugly, especially when over-accessorized.
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not fermiler with the gun that is being descused,but as far as a piece of junk goes,jennings takes the cake as far as i am concerned,i bought a 380 and went to the range,put 8 rounds threw it and the firing pin broke,tryed to get a new one at the local gun store and the guy laughed at me,said if i wanted to actueally fix it i had to contact the manufactor,they happen to be in ca.,turns out to be a better paper weight then anything else
DougDubya
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Ugly as hell, but when stuff goes bump in the night, it WORKS and being armed AND ALIVE is a lot more important than being a pretty, elitist snob turning his nose up at something he has no mental capacity to understand is someone's ONLY line of defense.
theotherwaldo
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I think that most guns are ugly and poorly designed. Unneccessary sharp edges and corners, built-in weaknesses, poor sights, designs created by committees, wannabee imitations of military, police, or even movie guns, the list could go on indefinitely.
I would say that the civilian clones of the M-4 have the Hi-Point lapped in that competition.
I would say that the civilian clones of the M-4 have the Hi-Point lapped in that competition.
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Ugly is only skin deep, Tyranny and Death cut clear down to the bone and soul.
Take a lady, that had guns, but a husband/boyfriend sold her guns for dope, and then comes after her.
Hi-Point tossed to her, for her to get by, might be the most beautiful thing to her viewed through blackened eyes.
Tornados rip through, maybe mud slides, fire, flooding..and guns are not able to be accessed, and again, a Hi-point being tossed to a family is a wonderful sight.
We have folks , including those that instruct other shooters that think a revolver is a ugly handgun and soooo stupid.
They also see no usefulness for single shot shot gun.
Tell that to the folks me and mine passed out guns to during Katrina!
Tell that to the single mom and daughter that had a house, but tornadoes took it away.
The gal raped, and beaten and in fear of her life, knowing a restraining order is not going to stop that threat, if that threat chooses to act on a promise.
It is real easy to sit in the comfort of one's home and post replies.
Those of us that have seen the eyes, of disaster victims, and results of criminal act and been in the medical settings understand some things.
I do not care if one is an instructor, they ain't paid the dues and gotten the experience to tell anyone what is ugly, stupid, or antiquated.
It might be your wife, daughter, sister or mom that gets in a tight, and someone hands them a Hi-Point, or revolver, or single shot, or...
Focus on the target - not the equipment - Will Fennell
Take a lady, that had guns, but a husband/boyfriend sold her guns for dope, and then comes after her.
Hi-Point tossed to her, for her to get by, might be the most beautiful thing to her viewed through blackened eyes.
Tornados rip through, maybe mud slides, fire, flooding..and guns are not able to be accessed, and again, a Hi-point being tossed to a family is a wonderful sight.
We have folks , including those that instruct other shooters that think a revolver is a ugly handgun and soooo stupid.
They also see no usefulness for single shot shot gun.
Tell that to the folks me and mine passed out guns to during Katrina!
Tell that to the single mom and daughter that had a house, but tornadoes took it away.
The gal raped, and beaten and in fear of her life, knowing a restraining order is not going to stop that threat, if that threat chooses to act on a promise.
It is real easy to sit in the comfort of one's home and post replies.
Those of us that have seen the eyes, of disaster victims, and results of criminal act and been in the medical settings understand some things.
I do not care if one is an instructor, they ain't paid the dues and gotten the experience to tell anyone what is ugly, stupid, or antiquated.
It might be your wife, daughter, sister or mom that gets in a tight, and someone hands them a Hi-Point, or revolver, or single shot, or...
Focus on the target - not the equipment - Will Fennell
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