Hi-Points versus Barbeque Guns

[GaryArkansas]

3rd Pig Wrote:
"The only points you've made are;

1. You like $100 pistols, fine, I have no problem with that.
2. You don't know much about guns, their history or their use, i.e. revolvers are a new design and there's nothing wrong with magazine safeties.
3. You're debate-fu is weak. You're using straw man arguments.
4. You're not worth debating until you learn more about what you're talking about."

Hmm, I don't recall saying I liked ANYTHING. My point was that most of you guys are judgmental and can't reason your way out of a paper sack. You pontificate without actually knowing. WATCH MY LIPS -- my point was that you guys are so emotionally invested in your own particular brand of firearm, that any discussion otherwise will raise your level of anxiety to levels which are quite obvious. The number of posts gives more testament to that than anything else written here. Look at the snottiness of your postings.

Yeah, I suppose the exotic metals being put into revolvers, new chambering, new hammer/transfer bars, and the dozens of other improvements are not new. Sure, we've been making scandium and titanium revolvers, oh, at least since 1911 - not.

As to my experience and knowledge about guns, you may be right. BUt, what I do know, is that you don't know what a straw man argument is. You wanna fight fair? Then attack a position, not a person. Support that position with facts - which you have not.

 

[GaryArkansas]

To Mandirigma

No, I don't conceal carry at the moment. My employer will not allow me to possess a firearm on the property, including parking lots.

 

[GaryArkansas]

Dear CWL

Thanks for the advice. I'm not a newbie to Boards or firearms, but I do appreciate your advice.

The reason I wrote my post is to illustarate a point - that many, many folks here (even old-timers) are set in their ways. Many are not nice about it.

While I knew my post would bring out the nut jobs, I felt the need to make a point. Just because something is inexpensive doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Lee reloading dies are an example. They cost half of what other manufacturers cost. But they seem to have both a big market share and function well.

The responses to my initial post COMPLETELY missed the point. I never said that Hi-Point pistols were better than anything. I didn't say it was my favorite gun. I simply said that they worked - doing exactly as it was designed. It was the people who responded who went bananas.

Have you taken the time to take any of them to task? Nope - you didn't. You suggested that I might have an improper motive for making my post.

Thanks again for the advice. Perhaps you might direct a few of your well spoken words to the folks who responded without understanding the post.

Thanks - Gary

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

What I got out of reading the replies was that while your Hi-Point has been flawless for you, many other people have had frequent and serious problems with them.
I don't think the cost of a gun relates to it's reliability, but certain guns establish a track record of being reliable. Glock has done it. I think with time the Sprinfield XD will also. It doesn't mean they are all 100% reliable but it means the majority of them are reliable out of the box and can take a licking and keep on ticking.
I personally can't see spending $2000 for a trick 1911 but I enjoy drooling over them occasionally.

 

[Surat]

Ah, the smell of troll poop in the air. . . shades of Gunkid. . .Bring out the 10" AR's and the assault wheelbarrows!

I felt the need to make a point. Just because something is inexpensive doesn't mean it doesn't work.

OK, point made. Counterpoint.

Hi-Points work, after a fashion and if you can't afford anything better, they are indeed better than a butter knife. There is no way in hell I'd carry one myself. A CZ52 would be a better gun, at prolly $150 if you could get the hook-up with a C&R buddy or FFL. Bersa is a bit more, say $250 but a very nice little gun for the money. Heck, they had Beretta and S&W .22's for $200 even at Gander Mountain a few months back. While I'm not advocating .22LR for defensive work, once again it's better than nothing. Oh, and while I'd say these are all decent quality firearms, I doubt anyone in the world will say that they are BBQ guns, or grill guns, or griddle guns or what ever.



Seriously. . .enough. . . can we let this thread die on the vine and get back to arguing Glock vs 1911? I refer to the following archive. . .from four years ago.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-2325.html

 

[STAGE 2]

My point was that most of you guys are judgmental and can't reason your way out of a paper sack. You pontificate without actually knowing.

Once again Gary, you are glossing over my post as well as the posts of other with 1st hand experience of the hi-point being a hugely problematic gun.

You sit there and shout your platitudes and don't bother to address any of this information that is contrary to your point.

If the standard for reason and logic is the way you argue, then the standard has been set pretty low.

 

[SniperStraz]

i dont know if ive ever even seen the gun in question

You'll never be the same again!
(In all fareness, the HiPoint does go bang every time.)

 

[Monkeybear]

I see that some of you are getting pretty worked up over it. First of all, watch my lips - I never said Hi-Point was a better gun than anything. I just told you that it does exactly what it is asked to do. It does this at a price that is a fraction of what you paid for your gun. I also said that the people who criticize this gun likely don't use or own it. The stories of "my buddy" are just that - stories. Even Glocks and SIGs will occasionally jam out of the box - tell the truth now.

I've yet to see a single one of you who have disabused me of that notion. You've raised some interesting points, however, none of them stand up to water when you utilize the standard I pointed out.

Your point seems to be that people who have reported negative responces with Hi Points dont own one, they have just fired one. Logically why would someone who had a bad expierence with a firearm then buy one? Even if it is only $100, you can't expect them to shell it out when the one they shot was crap. Many shooters won't purchase a firearm without sending a few down the lane first. I was looking for a CCW. Glocks are obviously well reguarded thus I tried out my friends G26. I diddn't like the ergonomics and it jammed on me. I diddn't buy one because I diddn't like the ergnomics. Is my opinion less valid because I don't own one?

If someone shoots a Hi Point and it can't get two rounds out in a row, should we ignore them because they diddn't then buy one. All I'm saying is that it makes perfect sense for someone who had a bad expierence with a firearm to not buy/own one.

About the 1911: I don't think its the end-all-be-all of firearms but its on a short list of candidates. You should know for someone who claims to be expierenced with firearm threads that insulting the 1911 is just gonna rile everyone up, especially when the thread has nothing to do with them.


PS - I like Glocks, I just like them a little bit bigger than the 26.

 

[tinygnat219]

Think of the Hi-Point as "Glock-Lite"

 

[briansp82593]

Think of the Hi-Point as "Glock-Lite"

hahahahaha light? glock?

 

[obxned]

If things got ugly late one night. which would you choose:

1. no gun

2. a picture of the really nice pistol you are going to get someday

3. a POS HiPoint that only cost pocket change

 

[High Planes Drifter]

by Stage 2

Number 1, you cant polish a turd.

You sir, owe me a new monitor. AND keyboard

I cant stop laughing at that.

 

[Sniper X]

Someone asked if I had nothing for choice but no gun a picture of a gun or a Hi Point of course I would choose a Hi Point but hope to God it went off when I had to pull the trigger. I carry a Kimber Tactical Custom II so I guess he would call that a barbeque gun in some circles. It is however something that I have never had a malfunction with after about a gagillion rounds of every conceivable type .45acp round, and looks cool to boot. Yes it cost over $900.00 new but works every time. I'd take that over a very inexpensive pistol any day to trust my life to. Kinda like the old Bel Helmets ad thatsaid if you have a $10.00 head, wear a $10.00 helmet.....you know whaty I mean!?

 

[offthepaper]

Don't let the gun snobs beat you down. Look them straight in the eye and say $100 guns kills the same as a $1000 guns. Good day sir

Only if it goes bang at the appropriate time.

 

[New_geezer]

This is just a side question

Even many people who dont like Hi-Point pistols have a grudging respect, sometimes admiration for the Hi-Point Carbine.

But, One of the commonly stated problems w/ the Hi-Point is the cheap poorly performing magazine

But the Pistol and Carbine share the same action - don't they also use the same magazines.? Why do the same cheap magazines sound like they perform OK in the Carbine and not the pistols.

Sorry for the interruption

 

[ArmyCop119]

Ok, maybe I'm out of the Hi-Point loop, but just what is the cone on the muzzle of that pistol?

I know it's not a silencer, could it be a loudener?

 

[nwilliams]

^
They wanted to see if they could make the gun any uglier than it already was, and they somehow managed to do pull it off

I'm just guessing here, but it looks like a form of compensator, reminds me of a Bren Gun comp or Enfield Jungle Carbine.

 

[EdLaver]

As I have said time and time again, most (not all) hi-point owners are thugs, wanna-be thugs, robbers, burglars, and gang bangers. At a price of $100 (Street price possibly lower) these kind of criminals get them for almost nothing do to theirt dirty work.

I have friend who is in the local sheriff's department and he says that mostly all of the confiscated pistols they have are either hi-points, ruger p89's, or S&W Sigmas with hi-points being the majority. Nothing against the Ruger or the Sigma, but these are all low priced pistols that criminals like a bunch.

 

[CajunBass]

Well boys, you seemed to illustrate the exact point I was trying to make, I.E. - You're saying that your gun is better than my gun because you paid more for it

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Well, actually it sounds to me like you are the one saying your Hi-Point is better because it didn't cost as much.

I've got a Hi-Point. It's a pretty good gun for the money. If it was all I had, it would do the job.

However, I don't need to try to convince anyone that it's just as good as anything else. It's a Hi-Point, not a Colt, Smith & Wesson, XD, or a Glock. I can brag about my $140.00 pistol without trying to put down something else.

 

[daysleeprx]

There answer is, that the original 1911 can't feed anything but hardball without gunsmithing.

This kind of statement pretty much make me not want to read anything else you have to say, because it just smacks of ignorance.

 

[obxned]

Instead of bashing the HiPoint, why don't you donate a good pistol to each person you see who can't afford a better gun.

 

[tango3065]

If a High Point is all ones budget allows by all means get it, in a self defense situation A High Point in the hand beats a top brand pistol on the gun store shelf any day of the week.

 

[denfoote]

Yo Gary,
You wanna free, yeah, I said free Hi Point??
All ya have to do is dig it up!!!
Mine's buried about four feet under, somewhere in the vast Sonoran desert!!
It was not a successful gun from the very start and the slamfire was the last straw!! Jam-o-matic I could have possibly lived with. Outright dangerous, no way!! It got buried!!
So, if you want it, all you need is a little luck, a shovel, a lot of water, and a metal detector. On second thought, forget the metal detector!! There's not enough ferrous material in it for the detector to pick up from four feet up!!
One more thing, it's been buried since about 93 or 94!!! I'll even give ya a hint about where it is!!! It's not, I repeat, not on the Mexican side!!!

Go git 'em tiger!!!

 

[KaiGywer]

Went to the gun store yesterday and fondled a variety of guns. Two of the ones I fondled were the Hi-point 380 and the 45. The 380 fit my hand very good, and grip was comfortable. A little on the heavy side though. The 45 just felt really cheap. The grip was hard plastic and I just didn't like it.

Would I have bought the 380? Yes (but I'd rather have a 9)
Would I have bought the 45? No, probably not.

 

[STAGE 2]

Seems that Gary the troll has left us, logic being the preferred kryptonite it seems.