Hi-Point: Contender for Ugliest Gun of the Year?

[SeanMTX]

I see little purpose for a single shot shotgun.

And in the wake of Katrina I wouldn't pass out guns to anyone other than trusted neighbours/friends...in which case they could use whatever I hadn't already laid claim to. (Likely my Bushie and Glock)...not just my cheapies.

 

[bensdad]

Thanks, sm. Your calm, reasoned response said exactly what my brash, emotional outburst was trying to. A gun in the hand is worth... life.

 

[sm]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=4520094&postcount=6

These were friends and relatives of me and mine.

I can get a lady up to speed with a single shotgun in less than 30 min, as I and mine have done it - numerous times.
I go way back on all this, how raised and mentored.
I have used a single shot to stop a threat, before 911 ever came to be much less cell phones, and Glocks and the like were not even invented yet, and tornados ripped through.

I also stopped a threat against 3 armed males with a .22 revolver, again, before there was ever a Glock company.

My experiences are not as numerous , or as serious as some, mine were real, and I own them.

 

[FieroCDSP]

The guy who brings a gun to a knife fight wins.

The thing is ugly though. I prefer to mis-appropriate funds to better guns (though not much more), but I can respect the need for this type of gun. My guns are a bit of an investment for me at 300-500 bucks. But if I needed a gun in a hurry and only had a little cash, the HiPoint would probably be the choice. Heck, you can't even find revolvers at that price in the average gun store.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I see little purpose for a single shot shotgun.

I used a single-shot shotgun to stop a 14-year-old meth dealer from shooting up my grandmother's house with his current "dad's" deer rifle.

That was a tense stalk.

When I finally got right behind him and knocked him flat, then stepped on his rifle and his gun hand, he freaked, jerked his hand loose, and ran.

The police caught him later and put him in detention.

He ate Drano a few days later.

 

[Ltlabner]

It seems that some people here don't believe that there are folks who can't just come up with an extra $150 on demand.

Nobody is suggesting they come up with the money "on demand". The point is if you can save X amount of money, you can save X + amount of money.

A lot of what's being said just seems like snobbery: if you can't afford a nice gun, you shouldn't have one at all.

Can you post where anybody has said that? Doubt it, since nobody has ever said that. In fact, the suggestion is save a little more and get a DIFFERENT gun. Not NO gun, just a different one.

I bet you had all kinds of fun with the kids who wore second-hand clothes back when you were in school.

Sorry your high-school sucked. Not really sure what that has to do with anything we are discussing here, however.

That may sound like a stretch for for someone like many ppl I know, $150 is all they can scrape up.

Uggh...what part of this is so confusing? The ability to save money doesn't magically stop at $150. The ABILITY to save is not dependant on how much you have or haven't saved thus far.

elitist snob turning his nose up at something he has no mental capacity to understand is someone's ONLY line of defense.

Nice name calling. Good to see that if someone doesn't agree with you that they are stupid by default.

By the way, when did HiPoint become the only selection for a low cost weapon? Your faux argument is based around the notion that it's the "only line of defense" and if they don't have a HiPoint then there is no other weapon available on the planet. Takes about .0001 seconds to poke holes in that theory as there are plenty of other options for $150 and less.

How does calling a gun ugly somehow deteriorate into 'You're a gun snob because the particular gun you think is ugly also happens to be cheap.' ??

It doesn't. People are natually defensive when their weapon of choice is called into question. I get the same way over the Glock haters.

 

[hatchetbearer]

Owned Several, still own the carbine. I loved the .380, i didnt think it was that large, and because of its massive girth It gave me something to hold on to and i could hit my target better, from farther away.

sure im saving up 450 for a 1911, but starting out, thats a hi point, ammo, targets and one on one instruction for a day around here. and sure you might not have as fancy of a gun, but now you know how to use it.

 

[herohog]

I recently bought a C-9 Hi-Point. Then, the next week, I bought a P11 KelTek. Why? Because I had all these 9mm bullets and dies for 9mm but no guns to shoot them from! The P11 is a pocket carry gun. The HiPoint lives in the glove box. My main carry gun? Either the 1911 .45 ACP or the Model 10 S&W .38spl when it's cool enough for a light jacket.

 

[Matt-J2]

I just hate when folks use the term 'only' when it comes to sums of $100 or more.

For persepective, my first job when I got out of the Army(early 2003), was a temp-to-hire spot in a factory. After taxes and whatnot, a 40hour work week would net me about $180-$190. Once the bills are paid, food and gasoline are set, there ain't a whole lot extra.

So yeah, if you can save $150, you can save $150 more, but if you need something, and it's taken you 6 months+ to get that $150, are you better off with a Hi-Point, or with waiting another 6 months or so and having nothing?
If you buy the Hi-Point, then the money you could have saved for something else is now ammo money. Or you buy it to have now, and then start saving again for something better. It's certainly ugly though, I agree there.

Also, where are all these cheap police trade ins, and all the other options folks mention? They seem to get mentioned in lots of places, but they don't seem to actually apply as often as would be useful. Beyond the point here in this thread, I'd like to find one myself.

 

[Ltlabner]

Also, where are all these cheap police trade ins, and all the other options folks mention? They seem to get mentioned in lots of places, but they don't seem to actually apply as often as would be useful. Beyond the point here in this thread, I'd like to find one myself.

Check CDNNinvestments.com. I just talked to them today. They have 2nd Gen Glock 22's with night sights for $319.99. I think he said they have 100 in stock. They also have Smith and Wesson 4006, which is one of their 3rd generation autoloaders. With night sights in very good to excellent condition for $329.99. That's a stainless steel frame and slide, DA/SA with decocker and night sights on a full-sized duty quality weapon for a very reasonable price.

No, it's not $150 HiPoint cheap, but you asked about police trade-ins.

 

[HB]

I'm Back

OK: So I need to buy a gun...

Hi-Point is $150, ruger is $350. Let's see, I can wait 2 months for the Hi-point or should I wait 4 months as people continue to get shot, killed, raped, jumped, burglarized, car-jacked, break into my car, and break into my house. Which would you choose... Most Hi-Points and Hi-Point owners aren't out there to shoot 20000 rounds a year and become good shots. If your going to do that, buy a nicer gun. They buy the gun because they need the gun.

Since I can save up indefinitely apparently (which I suppose is true), I guess should I just pass up a Remmington 870 and wait until I have $20,000 for a H&H in 28 gauge that does the same thing.

From all I've heard, Hi-Points go bang, and I would bet that the bad guy doesn't care if he gets shot with a Hi-Point or a custom Les Baers .45. A gun is a gun if it goes bang and it hits the target.

Many people don't have the income to buy a nice gun. They don't save up $350 because if they did, it would probably be spent on kids, food, gas, etc. A gun is not looked at as a necessity by a lot of people, but rather an upgrade from a Louisville slugger.

The Hi-Point is an accessible alternative to fighting it out with a intruder with your hands. A lot of Hi-Points customers don't go to Cabela's or X & Y's guns to buy either. Go down to the pawn shop and buy it. I seriously doubt the pawn shop is going to be carrying a full line of cheap mil-surps and S&W's for them to buy either.

Please see my earlier post for other feelings.

HB

 

[sm]

Matt-J2,

These older, firearms, such as used police trade ins, are getting more difficult to find, I admit and agree with you.

Truth is, while they are out there, so many folks want them, just a matter of supply and demand.

I know one THR member, asked his Gun Person, to check around and find a dozen total.
Model 10, or Model 64.
I know another member that his family had their Gun Person check around and find a K frame .357s, and this family bought 8 total.

Semi-Auto the same way.
Smith autos like 3913 and 5906, are being bought up.

This is going to sound wrong, still some folks are either on a budget, or just mature enough to not need the latest greatest touted gun, and know, a 3913 will do just as well as a Glock, Sig, HK or whatever else is new.


Folks investigate and verify, they see older guns without locks, MIM and other features on new guns...nor the problems with the older guns...

I can count off the top of my head a dozen folks easy, that got rid of Glocks, Sigs and HKs, and bought a older gun instead.

I know 4 gals that got rid of Glock 26s, and made out like bandits in selling them to folks that had to have them because so-n-so said so, or said they used one or whatever.

These gals CCW K frame .357s.
Older, ones, no locks, and made when they were made right.

 

[Matt-J2]

[quote="Ltlabner]No, it's not $150 HiPoint cheap, but you asked about police trade-ins.[/quote]

That I did, and I thank you for it.

I'm not on that 'Hi-Point sort of budget' anymore myself, but layaway is certainly my friend, without it I'd be a bit lost. Now lets see what I can work up for those trade-ins, they're certainly in the price range I tend to look for.

 

[sm]

Matt-J2.

I got a note that CDNN is one place you want to check.
ugaarguy is a member here, PM him.

Check our For Sale section here on THR.

My deal is, I care about folks being able to be safe, and having the means to do so.

So one only has a $150, and they check out Jim March's excellent revolver thread which is stickied.
Maybe they really wanted a semi-auto, but for $50 more, there is a Model 10, internals are pristine, but the bluing is worn and has some rust.
Maybe locally, some widow is selling one, or a couple is going through a divorce...it happens.

Maybe the gun is more money, and since a person has something, doing a lay-a-way allows them buy something that is more money.

I personally don't worry about some wear from a holster or sock drawer.
Neither did/does folks I have assite[ed].
A gun is used after the trigger is tripped the first time.

It is all good, and we are all supposed to be assisting one another.

So while maybe you are not interested in something - remember that person that was.
It all comes full circle.

 

[JDGray]

Having a gun is better then not having nothing at all...

Dang double negatives!! I'll be saying this over and over in my head till it makes sense

 

[W.E.G.]

I heard them guns weren't no good...

 

[DougDubya]

Nice name calling. Good to see that if someone doesn't agree with you that they are stupid by default.

Well, you call someone else a liar by proclaimin Bravo Sierra.

I'm just stating that you don't take into account the economics of the real world, or are you advocating that poor people shouldn't have guns?

It's so nice to have the luxury of a slave class with no arms to defend their rights... Bravo Sierra.

 

[Ltlabner]

I'm just stating that you don't take into account the economics of the real world, or are you advocating that poor people shouldn't have guns?

If you are able to mangle "save up more money and get a better gun" into "poor people shouldn't have guns" then this is a discussion I no longer have interest in.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

The thread appears to pretty much have run its "useful" course. Despite a complaint or two, I'll leave it open for now but understand that if the thread dips to lower-than-THR-standards as it did at least once so far, the thread will be locked and offenders will probably be banned. It seems that warnings are simply a waste of time and more trouble than they're worth in that the warned offender usually repeats. I prefer not to waste the time and just ban from the get-go.

So:

Stay on topic and disagree if you desire but do so w/o being disagreeable.

You can argue your point without attacking anyone.

Posting your opinion/thoughts/ideas once is fine; it is not necessary to do it every other post if someone disagrees.

Not everyone will agree with any of us all of the time. It happens. Accept it w/o being rude and boorish.

No vulgarity or demeaning of those who disagree with you or agree with some idea or concept that you don't.

If you and another poster decide that you just have to keep on picking at the other, take it to the PM's. The rest of us don't care. It is also egotistical and rude to hijack a thread over hurt feelings. The original poster and those interested in the topic should not have to read the seemingly neverending barbs back and forth between posters more intent on "having the last word" with an opponent than actually contributing to the topic at hand.

In other words, let's post as though we're adults capable of intelligently conveying our ideas and views without appearing as the finalists in a hydrophobia contest. Thankfully, the majority of posters here do comply with the rules and act in a responsible, polite and helpful manner. Offenders are definitely thinned on a regular basis, but sadly, new ones arrive daily.

Thanks.

 

[mgregg85]

Ah, another good old fashioned 'hate' thread. Gotta love it.

The hi-point is an OK weapon. It works, its cheap, its got a good company backing it.
Yes it is god awful ugly, but its a tool, not a work of art.
Threads such as this one are utterly useless and a complete waste of time and space.

 

[1911Tuner]

This one's startin' to take a nose-dive, and the warring factions need to step back and take a breath.

The Hi-Point is ugly to some...not so to others. Eye of the beholder and all. If one saves your life, or the life of your wife or daughter on a deserted road at around O Dark-Thirty, I betcha you'd think it was the most beautiful thing created since the Mona Lisa.

But...As our idiot/genius friend, Forrest Gump observed: (Paraphrased)

"Ugly is as ugly does."

Most of'em work. If they work, they work...and any pistol in a respectable caliber is capable of performing its assigned task. Those that don't...The company usually just replaces the gun without undue fanfare. Can't ask more than that.

I've seen 2500-dollar full custom 1911 pistols choke like pukin' buzzards...with apologies to the 101st Airborne. I've seen low-end "junk" 1911 pistols run like the Energizer rabbit.

Now...Stand down on the hostilities or the thread is closed.

 

[Matt-J2]

Check our For Sale section here on THR.

Oh yeah, I forgot we had one of those. Thanks!


And on that happy note, I'm heading out of this warzone of a thread. See y'all in other threads.

 

[czbegenner]

I not aganist people on a budget,but
kel-teck makes a 9mm thats better than the High point look it up and see
if it would be around your price range.
But after mine would not fire at the ranges i let it alone even the ranger armor tryed to fix it.I shiped it back to the factory they did like they said
fixed it,but since then i just put it back in the box way.It will be used Only and i do mean only in last resort
If i cant get my hands on any of my 7
others.But i will not carry it on me for any reason.

 

[USMCDK]

This thread was doomed from the get go, but I will do the Jar Head thing here and jump in feet first.

I have taken a look at a hi-point and I would not say ugly, odd looking??? YOU FRIGGIN BET!!! but ugly isn't the word, but then again Eye of the beholder like others have said. I own an HK and I am not offended in the least by others saying it's blocky and ugly. yes it's a wide weapon and you know I have used (an airsoft look alike, spray painted black for cosplay) just that to scare the $#!T out of an offender one scary night. He just saw a *BIG* (sarcasim) gun and thought to himself (HOLY $#!T) and got the hell outta dodge. Is that possible with the OP's stated weapon, you are darn tooting it is. Okay so someone can quickly afford a $150 Hi-point paycheck-to-paycheck. I know that I could do that right now, if I had to, and if I did I would. Like someone else said. what if it's a girl that is a single at home mommy that has an abusive EX hell sweet heart get the F@#$# gun and pray for the best.

You know I am going to end it here because I think that this thread is pointless now that I have even decided to type on it. so have fun with this one boys cause I am going to the locker room to shower the $#!T off of me that was slung in this dookie-fest.

Sincerely,

USMCDK

 

[B yond]

Why would someone start a thread just to trash-talk an inexpensive weapon?

But I can conceal a Glock allot easier then a Hi-Point.

I can conceal a knife 'allot' easier than a Glock, does that make it a superior weapon?

Hi-Points have their place, and most of the people who actually own them are happy with them. They aren't show guns. They aren't tacticool movie guns or urban warfare military weapons or shoot-em sideways gang-banger guns (they may even have an internal safety to prevent them from being shot sideways).

They are inexpensive, rugged, reliable, and accurate enough at self-defense distances.

Besides, if your Hi-Point breaks they'll send you a new one, even if it's your own fault. Can you say the same about Glock, HK, FN, or Kimber?