Hoarding is getting to me!

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Live and learn. I learned in in the last shortage. Made those daily trips to Walmart to see what came in and what was for sale. I make my stops every day to buy my authorized allotment from the local gun shops. Every month I add to my reloading supplies. After time even 1 box a day adds up. You can complaine or get to work on building your ammo supplies. Me, I do both.
 
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It's amazing how this poster decided to cherry pick my last post. He says I picked up the two cans of Unique. What he didn't say, and was in the post was that I let another customer have one of the cans. He had none and I had two so I let him have a can so that he can reload and shoot. I was actually replacing a can that was close to empty. I had one more spare.
I am asking the moderator to close out this thread. I believe it has served it's purpose. It has shown we have members that are well prepared and yes, we also have hoarders.
Above all else. I want to extend a really big thanks to those that offered to send some .22 for my wife. Although we declined your offers reaffirmed that there are still some real sportsmen out there. Our heartfelt thanks.
Exbrit
 
Respectfully exbrit49 I was merely quoting word for word your exact statements in post #63. The written word is powerful and if not carefully phrased may convey a message different than the writer intended.

Since this is a open forum please feel free to take the opportunity to better explain your comments.
 
I went back to reread the post. I see ypur complaint is the price of 22lr that could be had for less than $2 for a box of 50 when it was in stock and easily replaced to situation where it cost $7.50 for a product no longer in stock and there is no idea when or if it will ever be back in stock at any price. You refused to pay the price so the wife could shoot. I'll stop there because now I'm ticked off over your position. I will say this. If it was my spouse,my kids the price would not matter. If ir made them happy I would pay whatever the price was. Just my opinion.
 
I went to a gun show Sunday and a guy there had about 10 boxes of federal .22 LR and was asking $7.00 a box of 50.These are the Federal that Wal-Mart sold for $1.97. I would not and could not pay $7.00.

You refused to pay the price so the wife could shoot. I'll stop there because now I'm ticked off over your position.


Some people are on fixed incomes. Shooting is a luxury for most of us. He also stated he could not pay that much to shoot. Big difference than just refusing $5 per box more.

Believe it or not, some people are on tight budgets due to many reasons. If you recall, our economy has seen the worst recession since the great depression. For some reason, many people are very cold to this fact and have no sympathy for people who got hurt in this economy.
 
Some people are on fixed incomes. Shooting is a luxury for most of us. He also stated he could not pay that much to shoot. Big difference than just refusing $5 per box more.

Believe it or not, some people are on tight budgets due to many reasons. If you recall, our economy has seen the worst recession since the great depression. For some reason, many people are very cold to this fact and have no sympathy for people who got hurt in this economy.

You don't want sympathy, Larry.

In this thread and others you lambast "hoarders" for taking all the ammo which you perceive is causing prices to rise. (incorrectly, which has been pointed out to you again and again....people like you who have waited until this situation to prepare is what is driving this shortage)

You want someone to hold your hand and fix the mistakes that you have made in your life that have led you to be unable to live to the manner to which you'd like to be accustomed.
And you'd like them to fix the mistakes you've made in your life, by reducing their own options and well-earned enjoyment so that you can have that enjoyment, which you did not earn, and have been unwilling to work towards providing yourself.
And you'd rather have someone else artificially reduce their own enjoyment and rewards, than work to better yourself and lift yourself up, provide yourself with more options, income, whatever
Good luck.
 
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For the first time in years, I decided to count my 22 ammo. I have never bought more than one or two bricks at a time. Never gave "hoarding" a thought. I knew that retirement is coming, and I should keep some on hand as the price will always rise. I counted 12,000 rounds.:neener::neener::neener:
 
You don't want sympathy, Larry.

In this thread and others you lambast "hoarders" for taking all the ammo which you perceive is causing prices to rise. (incorrectly, which has been pointed out to you again and again....people like you who have waited until this situation to prepare is what is driving this shortage)

You want someone to hold your hand and fix the mistakes that you have made in your life that have led you to be unable to live to the manner to which you'd like to be accustomed.
And you'd like them to fix the mistakes you've made in your life, by reducing their own options and well-earned enjoyment so that you can have that enjoyment, which you did not earn, and have been unwilling to work towards providing yourself.
And you'd rather have someone else artificially reduce their own enjoyment and rewards, than work to better yourself and lift yourself up, provide yourself with more options, income, whatever

Not only can't you comprehend what you read but you then accuse others of ideals of which you know nothing about and then expect everyone to live by your elitist standards. You are as clueless as they come. You worded it well at the end.... "whatever" dude.
 
Larry, I think everyone here is about sick of your "feel sorry for me cause I have an $800 rifle but I didn't buy ammo when I could...now who can I blame" whine-a-thon posts.

my "elitist standards" are not as "elite" as you say, if you read back pretty much every post you've made lately concerning "hoarders" and EVERYONES responses to them....they pretty much consist of "mind your own business and take care of what you need before you think you'll need it"

You are running in the wrong crowd if you want to watchdog your neighbors stash or limit his ability to prepare, so that you can have the luxury of failing to prepare yourself.
 
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In this thread and others you lambast "hoarders" for taking all the ammo which you perceive is causing prices to rise. (incorrectly, which has been pointed out to you again and again....people like you who have waited until this situation to prepare is what is driving this shortage)

I have never complained about the price on ammo. You ire was from me pointing out someone else could not afford to pay almost 4x for .22 ammo. As you are well aware, in many posts and threads, my complaint has only been that hoarders buy every box on the shelf and don't leave any for others while they are sitting on more than they will use in the forseeable future. Period. Prices are prices and it is out of our hands. It's called supply and demand and when we do have these runs on ammo, prices do rise. It's called capitalism.

I have defended those who are pouced on by guys like you who are not prepared because they could not afford the extra ammo. Range time is a luxury, not a necessity. Many millions of people were hurt by this recession. Retirement accounts were wiped out in 2001 and again in 2008. Banks closed, gas prices tripled and the food and goods that are delivered by anything fuel powered also jumped in price. Whether you felt this pinch or not, millions were unemployed and 4 years later millions are still unemployed. Just because you weren't affected doesn't mean your brothers in arms weren't. Home prices plunged. Your nest egg in home equity is now negative equity. I'm sorry you don't feel the pain of people who were crippled by the economy or are on a fixed, retirement income. I hope everybody is as wonderful as you when you decide to retire and you count your millions because you are the man.

Me? I live how I choose to live. My priorities are mine and for you to judge my priorites because I dislike hoarders makes you the same as the very people we are fighting in office... clueless to the facts.
 
Now you are making things up.
Geez man, I guess I hit a nerve.
Hoard all you want.
Good for you!

What goes around, comes around.
You reap what you sow.

Try reading the words instead of what you think is being said.
Man, getting worked up over stuff not said is good.
 
exbrit49 - have you checked with Sportsman's Supply in Butler, PA (724-287-4294)? They sell TONS of ammo on Gunbroker and I have purchased from them over the phone in the past with zero (yes zero) shipping charge. I am sure they are having the same supply issues everyone else is, but they have 25 pages of auction items on GB right now so may be worth a call. The downside is they do "no reserve" auctions so people are bidding the stuff up pretty heavily anyway. If Walmart doesn't have any .22 (they don't in FL anyway, been to 10 of them since the madness started), no one does given that Walmart is the largest ammo retailer and, by that reckoning, has the most influence on suppliers. Would take your fellow enthusiasts up on their offers above - nice work gentlemen (and ladies as applicable).
 
It's amazing how this poster decided to cherry pick my last post. He says I picked up the two cans of Unique. What he didn't say, and was in the post was that I let another customer have one of the cans. He had none and I had two so I let him have a can so that he can reload and shoot. I was actually replacing a can that was close to empty. I had one more spare.
I am asking the moderator to close out this thread. I believe it has served it's purpose. It has shown we have members that are well prepared and yes, we also have hoarders.
Above all else. I want to extend a really big thanks to those that offered to send some .22 for my wife. Although we declined your offers reaffirmed that there are still some real sportsmen out there. Our heartfelt thanks.
Exbrit
Amen brother
 
Ignition Overrie,
Yes, having short term surplus for continuing yur hobby backed up by long term items which are designated "emergency only" is paramont. And you are correct about the Red Dawn, Road Warrior or National Guard sowing up being a moot point. You may make a bit of a statement but once you do and they fly an Apahchee Gun Ship over your location all those extra 22 lr's and 9mm's are of no consequence. If we had complete failure of government sructure like an extended L.A. riot situation then we do have a chance with weel stocked supplies. The new "Preppers" show is goofy. Some of those people do have a clue but most have lost touch with reality. It does make for a nice comedy series. Also the M1a vs AR-15 debates are and apples and oranges debate. While there is some cross over in use, one is an assault rifle and the other is a battle rifle. My opinion is to have both. You need to have weapons in the most popular calibers to find available ammo. That includes NATO popular, 22 lr, 30-30, etc. Be able to shoot what you can find as you run out of personal inventory. Thus I have at least two of each opula caliber and more archived ammo for the non popular civillian calibers. As to meds, We have at least a six months supply of all our perscription meds, very well stocked med kits and a couple of gotta have no matter what we have a years supply properly stored. If the event goes beyond that, have to go scavaging. That is when the level 3a vest, mil surplus kevlar helmet and like product wil be needed. Don't want another scavanger popping me with a 38 special when we find an abandoned home that had some meds left in the pantry or the backwoods pharmacy that hadn'e been raided yet.

Fiddlesharp, Most cities unless farming communities have three days food supplies on the shelves If the trucks quit rolling them the food runs out. 50 pounds of rice, 50 pounds of dried beans, 50 pounds of oatmeal, 20 pounds of salt and two water filters will be a significant emergency ration. Also a coleman stove with a few gallons of fuel and just a 55 galon drum of premium fuel with fuel stabilizer.

mrvco, You dont hoard in an inflated panic economy. You put back extra a little at a time over decades when buying your normal supplies. This panic and run buy all you can is goofy. One of our local shops just restocked on range ammo. 50 round boxes of white box Winchester 9mm for 19.99 per box. They have 40, .45 and 44 mag according to flavor from 20 to 40 per box and plenty. My local market has stabilized it seems. A to the guys who think they are going to hold of the National Guard or Marines with an AR-15 have watched Rambo one too many times.

My goal is to be able to protect my family in the event of civil unrest that the LEO's and National Guard can't be at all of our homes in the event of a run on food or other basic necessitiies. Katrina type event, large earthquake, Super volcano, solar flare or whatever that disrupts the flow of goods. If it becomes a long term even I just have to outlive the freaks and the prepared individuals will learn to live with each other and share. That would be the only way for long term survival for all the good guys.

Odds of needing to be prepared to the level I am... Maybe 10% on the outside. But that 10% is enough to make the effort considering if it does not ed up needed, I use my fuel stockpile up at the end of the year and rotate fresh in. Same with the food. Same with ammo, I replace inventory now that will get shot in a few years. What I buy then replaces what wil be shot a decade from now. Keeps me playing ahead of inflation and not buying stuff that will not eventually be used. I just get to control my inventory and access rather than mass hysterial by the public over a weather or political event.
 
The OP would beat me with a flyrod if he heard me detail the actions I took between election day and last week.

I did what I had to and I'm not going to apologize for it.

Home defense isn't ONLY about having a gun and knowing how to use it. Providing for my household isn't ONLY about bringing home a paycheck. There's a whole lot more that goes into it; preparation, stockpiling, hoarding, price gouging, call it whatever you like.
 
Since exbrit49 is making a issue of me "cherry picking" his statements in post 63 here is his paragraph in full:

"As noted in my original post I am VERY well stocked on everything else and I will share what happened when I went to talk to the LGS. I picked up an additional 2 cans of Unique. As I was talking to the store owner a guy came up to the counter and asked if there was any more Unique as there was none on the shelf. I had taken the last two cans. I reviewed what I had on hand and what I really needed and decided to let the other guy have one can, as he was totally out. It felt good to be able to help another re-loader. I could not buy it just to let it sit on the shelf for a year or more. while he had none."

Please note that he states first that "I am VERY well stocked" and then goes on two state that he had taken the last two cans of Unique but gave one of the cans to another customer. This has left me puzzled as to why someone that is "VERY well stocked" would be buying more powder at all.

As I said before I am confused by not only by your complaint in Post #1 especially after making such a issue of your wife's unfortunate medical condition, refusing other THR offers of providing you with 22 ammo and then making the above comments in post 63.

While I do not want to be quarrelsome I already said "Respectfully exbrit49 I was merely quoting word for word your exact statements in post #63. The written word is powerful and if not carefully phrased may convey a message different than the writer intended.

Since this is a open forum please feel free to take the opportunity to better explain your comments."
 
I've started to reply to this post several different times. IMHO the OP is a bit of a whiner who neglected to prepare his wife anywhere near so well as he prepared himself and is now upset about it. That being said, as much as I admire folks who are well prepared, and strive to be so myself, I too dislike hoarders and resellers who lock up an entire supply when they already have substantial amounts just to have even more they realistically won't shoot or to sell for huge markup leaving others empty handed. I'm no socialist, I believe in "the invisible hand" of capitalism, but I also believe in the fair hand treatment of all comers, not just those with special access or privlage.

I can feel for the OP's wife, and understand his dimay at not having provided for her. But as he stated he's well prepared with high demand componants for reloading and I'm sure he can trade some of those to take care of his wife's needs, even if it means a sacrifice for him.

I've been preparing for politically motivated changes in ammo availability for sometime. Even so I did NOT expect the run on .22LR or some other common calibers such as .38 spl. I DID buy quantities of both since the Sandy Hook event, as well as a new LCR-22, KLCR.357 and a 10/22 take down. The .22's for training and the .357 as my new CCW piece. I've been wanting all for awhile, was just trying to save up to pay cash. Events pushed me to assume debt instead and now I'm very glad I did. MY .22 WILL be shot up for training, to give me the skill I've committed to re-aquiring after laying off frequent shooting for far to long.

Best Wishes to the OP and all who are caught short regardless of the reason. I hope the panic quickly subsides and things recover to a semblence of normal. Or that at least their most pressing needs can be helped by brother or sister shooters.
 
I keep a lot of 22LR on hand. Some might call me a hoarder. Some would simply say "prepared". I have not bought any 22 ammo since this current shortage started. If I am not choosey, I probably have enough for the next 10 years.

I counted 12,000 rounds.

Of each variety? :D
 
I keep a lot of 22LR on hand.....I probably have enough for the next 10 years.

I'd say you are well prepared. Good job.

I have not bought any 22 ammo since this current shortage started.

This is why you are not a hoarder.
 
In the spirit of taking the high road ill just say that if shooting means as much to you and your family as it seems to, it was your duty to ensure adequate supply. Now you are just like the other grasshoppers who didn't plan ahead. How anyone who lived through the first obama drought of 2008 could not see another one coming utterly baffles me! You didn't need to buy cases of ammo. Just buy one extra box a month...less than twenty bucks a brick on sale...and you'd have been in high cotton. Now its everyone elses fault. Maybe instead of focusing on reloading components for yo...you should have focused on nonreloadable rimfire ammo for her. Only thing to do now is make a habit of visiting walmart and gunstores early to maybe score some right off the truck. Good luck.

How many people complain about fixed incomes and the economy but still buy beer coffee cigarettes soda and junk food?
 
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