Home defense 10/22

[Phaedrus/69]

The 10/22 is awesome! If you're gonna rely on a .22lr for home defense that's a very good one. I will echo the previous posters and say use whatever ammo is the most reliable. If both run equally well I would probably alternate, too.

The .22lr isn't super powerful but you can pretty easily dump the whole mag into drink coaster as fast as you can pull the trigger. I sure wouldn't want to face that!

 

[rodinal220]

The 10-22 can make a very effective HD/SD tool for those that cannot,for whatever reason,run a more powerful weapon.

Many "trainers" today miss the point that there are folks with special needs or thats all they have or can afford.

I for one do not want to be on the receiving end of 25 CCI-Mini-Mags.

Butler Creek steel lips or better yet the Ruger BX25 mags with CCI ammo. CCI seem to have the most reliable ignition of mass produced 22RF.

 

[mac66]

Sounds like the OP has the situation well covered.

 

[mboylan]

The 10-22 can make a very effective HD/SD tool for those that cannot,for whatever reason,run a more powerful weapon.

Many "trainers" today miss the point that there are folks with special needs or thats all they have or can afford.

I for one do not want to be on the receiving end of 25 CCI-Mini-Mags.

Butler Creek steel lips or better yet the Ruger BX25 mags with CCI ammo. CCI seem to have the most reliable ignition of mass produced 22RF.

Very unrealistic. Most gun fights are very short, at very close range and extremely violent with only a few shots fired. Anyone who thinks they will be able to fire multiple hits in a gun fight is playing the wrong side of the odds.

 

[rodinal220]

Myboylan: "Very unrealistic. Most gun fights are very short, at very close range and extremely violent with only a few shots fired. Anyone who thinks they will be able to fire multiple hits in a gun fight is playing the wrong side of the odds."

You are entitled to your opinion,but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
You keep shooting until the threat is no longer a threat,most of the PDs I know using AR15s are taught to fire three shots at CQB ranges into the threat,repeat as necessary. Its not like TV where the bad guy goes down with a shoulder TV wound.

Using a smaller round like .22RF,you will "probably" have to shoot more times to stop the threat; but I have seen enough bad guys and crime victims who were DRT by a single small caliber round,shot placement is key.

The only points you stated which are correct:gun fights are short,close range and violent, thank you for stating the obvious. I remember them covering that in the academy decades ago.

Then there is this gem: "Anyone who thinks they will be able to fire multiple hits in a gun fight is playing the wrong side of the odds."

Where did you get that one from,the airsoft field?? I worked next to one of the largest PDs in the country and saw the after action reports,photos,videos(nice to have friends in the D-unit) that the bad guy(s) looked like a SAW gunner hit them when multiple officers did 15+1 to slide lock and working on a repeat.

Amazing

 

[GEM]

Quality trainers do understand the need for weapons to suit the shooter's special needs. I recall Ayoob recommending a single action 22 LR revolver because of particular physical abilities. Posers probably go with 12 gauge, rack it - that's it. So what.

 

[hso]

Brassfetcher's gelatin tests are fascinating. The Remington 36gr PLHP (21008) appears to have the best combination of penetration and expansion of everything from a rifle barrel. Counterintuitively, the Winchester 40gr SX PowerPoint X22LRPP appears to be the best performer of everything out of a 3.4" handgun barrel. It isn't all about speed and weight!

 

[MedWheeler]

mboylan writes:

Very unrealistic. Most gun fights are very short, at very close range and extremely violent with only a few shots fired. Anyone who thinks they will be able to fire multiple hits in a gun fight is playing the wrong side of the odds.

Anyone who thinks they will need to fire multiple hits is also thinking outside the statistical odds. An overwhelming majority of self-defense uses of .22 caliber firearms have been successful, whether one hit, multiple hits, or none at all, were scored.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be considering it, right?

 

[Al Thompson]

Knock it off with the tactical advice. Byron is a guy who's BTDT and he didn't ask for anything other than hardware advice.

 

[Dave Markowitz]

The ammo and magazine choices have already been addressed but here are two modifications to the rifle that I think are worthwhile:

1. Extended magazine catch. I have one of these on my 10/22 and it definitely makes it easier to remove the mag, compared with the factory catch. It does not stick out so far that it would cause unintentional mag drops.

2. Automatic bolt release. This allows you to release the bolt by simply pulling on the charging handle and letting it go, rather than mucking with the awkward factory release. I linked to a Volquartsen but you can modify the factory bolt release with a small half round file, by modifying the larger of the two holes to match the shape shown in the pic at the link. Even though the 10/22 does not have a last round bolt hold open, this mod is very handy on the range.

One word about ammo: In my experience, CCI .22 rimfire is the most reliable when it comes to ignition, not just feeding. In thousands of rounds of CCI .22 LR, Shorts, CBs, and WMR, I have had exactly one dud. I can't say that for any other brand of .22 rimfire ammo manufactured in the past 15 years.

Also, this probably isn't applicable to Byron, but for any southpaws, if you're using a 10/22 for defense Volquartsen sells a left handed safety conversion that's not too hard to install after you watch a Youtube video on takedown/reassembly of the trigger group. I added one to mine and it makes the rifle more ergonomic for us lefties.

 

[Art Eatman]

Byron has made his choice and has given his reasons...