How can they be so busy...when they are all out of stock?

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I recall the "panic" of '09. But it was nothing compared to this one. What I have a hard time understanding is why shipping times are so long with online ammo venders when most anything is "out of stock?" Anybody else see the irony there?

I loaded up real well during and after the '09 panic, so I haven't really been much affected by the current one. But I have ordered modest lots of ammo from Wideners, Palmetto State, and Natchezss during the current crisis, and it would appear that 80 percent or more of listed items are out of stock. So I don't really understand the long wait times for the few things that are in stock.
 
Good question. - One small example situation.

I was at a show years ago coping with another "frenzy" and while I had my usual inventory, I was swamped doing paperwork on rifle sales and alone. There was one fella absolutely livid that I wouldn't stop what I was doing, take him out of order and discuss a $30 CAR stock. "If you want to buy it I'll pull it out, if you want to talk about it, gotta wait."

I told him he'd have to wait his turn and after he returned (finding none of that style elsewhere) I told him he's starting over in line and I'd get to him. Much whining (I'm not at this point saying that the OP is whining) later and his turn comes up and he wants to have a long drawn out conversation about the synthetic content, weight, dimensions and so on.

As politely as I could I stated that he had stated that he wanted to buy it and not "talk about it" and told him I had fellas wanting firearms with a limited window in which to buy them and an available and unthreatened part was holding that up.

So, sometimes, priorities are not readily apparent to the customer.
 
The real irony is receiving monthly catalogs showing ammo on sale but their web sites show nothing in stock and no back orders allowed.
One has to hope that that's optimism on their part and that they'd sell it at advertised prices if it did come in during that ad cycle.
 
For the sites taking backorders a lot of their time is spent filling those. Nothing ever comes up as "in stock" on the website because as soon as a truck comes in its all filling backorders (that still don't get completely filled), but they're still busy during that process.

Basically, nothing comes "in stock" until they catch up, and that isn't happening for a while.
 
You have to remember, they had a lot of ammunition in stock when this situation started and it all sold out. They are also constantly getting new ammo in for the new orders coming in. These places generally run pretty lean on employees, that's why they can keep their prices decently low, people cost a LOT of money to employ.

(however, if I ran these companies, I'd be hitting the local college looking for a couple of temps that would be willing to work to help fulfillment)
 
....They are also constantly getting new ammo in for the new orders coming in. These places generally run pretty lean on employees, that's why they can keep their prices decently low, people cost a LOT of money to employ.....


I think this has a lot to do with it The ammo companies are running full speed ahead, wide open on production schedules. It isnt that there isnt any ammo, just that its being bought so fast that they can't keep it in stock. As has been happening with the online sellers, they get amo in, and it's bought out in minutes of it showing up as in stock. Many sjops are dealing with the same thing. Everybodies in freak-out miode, and helping to cause the problem as much as anything. To repeat, for those that may have missed the point, it isn't that there isn't any ammo, (there's tons of it being made daily), everybody is in total freak out mode and buying as much as fast as they can, nobody can keep it in stock. If you buy 5 or 10 or 20 boxes instead of your usual 2, then you're part of the problem. The "shortages" would cease to exist if everyone took a deep breath, stopped buying like it was the end of the world, and went back to a normal buying pattern.
 
Q: if literally thousands of dollars a month pass through my checking account, why do I feel poor?
A: all the money that comes in, goes right back out- and I'm lucky to get any of it.

Q: how can my LGSs be "busy" if they never have anything in stock?
A: all the ammo that comes in, goes right back out- and I'm lucky to get any of it.
 
Okay, the consensus answer seems to be something like "people are buying it as fast as it comes in." I can see that in some instances, but not all. Obviously, something like that is apparent at the brick and mortar sellers. But I daily check certain online suppliers, and I'm not seeing much indication of supply come in and going out so fast that the normal state remains "out of stock." But, I admit, I haven't done everything I could do to verify this. Many online vendors have a "notify me" for when stock comes in. I guess I need to sign up for that to see if this is really happening.

Thanks for the answers.
 
Okay, the consensus answer seems to be something like "people are buying it as fast as it comes in." I can see that in some instances, but not all. Obviously, something like that is apparent at the brick and mortar sellers. But I daily check certain online suppliers, and I'm not seeing much indication of supply come in and going out so fast that the normal state remains "out of stock." But, I admit, I haven't done everything I could do to verify this. Many online vendors have a "notify me" for when stock comes in. I guess I need to sign up for that to see if this is really happening.

Thanks for the answers.

There's an ammo thread on another forum. They report ammo in at various places. What I've seem mentioned several times is that X company shows their ammo stock at say, 6:00 AM, and when its sold that day, it shows out of stock. Those that sit and wait for it say that sometimes before they can complete the order form online, its gone, like in minutes.

Theres ammo out there, its just being bought up so fast that most people arent ever aware of it. At some point there will have to either be a saturation point where anyone that can afford to buy so much has, or people simply reaizing that they dont have to buy 3 lifetimes of ammo.

The best time to stock up isn't when its hard to get, its when its easy to get. It's been easy to get for years, with a few blips on the timeline. I can't blame anyone that wants to be sure they can keep shooting for a while, but if they are buying tons of ammo right now, they are part of why it's hard to get. The ammo companies are literally running 7 days a week. At some point they will have to catch up or the demand balance out.

If you want to stock up, the simplest way is to buy 2 boxes when you go in to buy one to shoot, or buy a box or two a month extra when you have spare money. Do that for a couple years, and when this sort of thing happens, you can shrug your shoulders and watch. You can keep shooting, and not be paying psycho prices to do it. Those that reload generally buy components in quantities that allow them to keep shooting a while before they feel the crunch, so long as they dont wait til the last minute to restock basic supplies. The feeding frenzy is exactly that. Once some people started buying more in fear, things started to get thin on the shelves, then EVERYONE thought they had to get all they could, and it ends up feeding/causing the problem. It snowballs quickly. How much ammo can people afford to buy and sit on? (Obviously some are buying it to resell and make money, profitting on the problem. The prices in the wholesale pipeline have gone up some, but not that much)
 
I ordered a bunch of cleaning stuff, a buckhorn rear sight, a picatinny rail for my Model 70 that's supposed to be showing up soon, and bases. Ordered it last Tuesday, got to my house last Friday. Midway USA has still got their act together.
 
Midway seems to have the shipping thing down better than almost all the other vendors. I wanted to add something to an order, it was 1 hour after I sent it in; already on the truck. Larry doesn't compete on low prices, it's selection in stock and quick delivery. I can find lots of stuff at other vendors for less money; until I add in the shipping cost for a couple of items. Then it's cheaper with Larry. When I found out about the 10% discount on a $50 order, that was like free shipping. With the current frenzy, I don't see those anymore.

The other vendors are just trying to do it with the absolutely minimum of people. As their shelves became empty, I'll bet they started laying off people that were standing around doing nothing. No other reason why it takes a week to ship an order, they're that far behind because they don't want to pay for more bodies.
 
Just because he sends you an email that its on the truck, doesn't mean that its really on the truck. According to the tracking info it usually leaves the next day.
 
If you want to stock up, the simplest way is to buy 2 boxes when you go in to buy one to shoot, or buy a box or two a month extra when you have spare money.
I did this, more or less, both before and after the panic in 2009. Back in "the day," a box of 20 rd steel .223 from various Eastern Bloc producers could be picked up at Academy Sporting goods for under $3 a box. UMC brass in .223 was had from Wal-Mart for under $8. Once a week, or more, I'd stop at Academy and pick up three boxes (60 rds to fill two standard capacity magazines). Every time I was in Wal-Mart I'd pick up three boxes of the UMC. Bought bulk lots (500-720 rounds) now and then, also. At the height of the panic of 2009, I think I bought a lot of 500 rd steel cased .223 for $199 (that's $8 a box). The ammo was available, it was just up in price. What was scarce in those days were reloading components, especially primers.

Today, the stuff is not just high priced, it is not even available. I've no doubt supply and demand will return to some new normal. Those who aren't prepared for the next panic should take the time to buy then.
 
I can understand the gun buys, but why is everyone buying up ammo so quickly? Is there proposed legislation to further regulation ammo sales or something?
 
I am sure everyone is still busy, but some companies just have it together and some don't. I have ordered stuff from Aim and from Bravo Company and had it ship the same day since this started, then I buy an in stock upper from Palmetto State Armory and it takes over a month.
 
If you buy 5 or 10 or 20 boxes instead of your usual 2, then you're part of the problem. The "shortages" would cease to exist if everyone took a deep breath, stopped buying like it was the end of the world, and went back to a normal buying pattern.

but... my normal buying pattern was to attempt a case per month (based on what i could get for it.) I can't do that right now.
 
I think that boxed, labelled and on the dock is probably more accurate.

From UPS or Fedex's website, I can enter and print a shipping label w/ the tracking# prior to the package being touched by UPS or Fedex. Any decent sized shipping operation has their fulfillment system integrated into UPS and/or Fedex's systems.
 
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