How do we help California?

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Here is something I thought I would share with you all as to some of the up hill battles having to be fought in CA.


Check out this CA law.

9026.5. (a) No television signal generated by the Assembly shall be
used for any political or commercial purpose, including, but not
limited to, any campaign for elective public office or any campaign
supporting or opposing a ballot proposition submitted to the
electors.
As used in this section, "commercial purpose" does not include
either of the following:
(1) The use of any television signal generated by the Assembly by
an accredited news organization or any nonprofit organization for
educational or public affairs programming.
(2) As authorized by the Assembly, the transmission by a third
party to paid subscribers of an unedited video feed of the television
signal generated by the Assembly.
(b) Any person or organization who violates this section is guilty
of a misdemeanor.
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What that has allowed is for the Assembly meeting to be kept more secretive. The news is only going to show what they want. The politicians are only going to do the same.


What has resulted is to severely limit educating others and the ability of Pro 2A candidates to expose the current Assemblyman / Legislators lies, ignorance, and worse!! that takes place during the Assembly meetings.

Pro 2A candidates and those that are fighting the anti's proposals cant as effectively expose them in TV and media ads due to the law above.


Such as this... one of the worst Ive ever seen. Please take a look

35 sec video - CA Assemblyman actually says CA Legislature Doesn't Care About the Constitution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A


And this video of CA Assembly Floor Session Jun 1st, 2016 AB1664
As some know, the 'bullet button' is a CA requirement on most semiauto centerfire rifles. It makes it so that you have to use a tool (most commonly used is the tip of a bullet) in order to drop the mag. Essentially its a recessed mag button so you cant use your finger alone to drop a mag.

This Assemblyman is saying that if you push it, it turns the legal semi auto rifle with a bullet button to full auto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZwwE-AV_QU


He is saying it in effort to pass AB1664 which bans said rifles and makes them 'assault rifles'.



Well, the FPC (Firearms Policy Coalition) filed a federal 1A lawsuit requesting those Assembly meeting videos to be allowed for use; essentially to nullify the above law.

The FPC just won a preliminary injunction against the CA AG.

The complaint is here https://www.fpcsadc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2016-05-26-Complaint-filed.pdf


CA pro 2A groups are having to resort to suing the CA AG on 1A grounds so that the use video from public Assembly meetings can be shared with the public to oppose them!


That CA AG, Kamala Harris, is running for and will surely win, the US Senate seat. She is also the same AG that is behind the CA9 ruling against Peruta.



By not supporting CA 2A clause, these anti 2A people will continue to get into the US Senate... where they will vote against 2A Rights in your state.

Maybe she'll be the 2nd woman President.

Maybe she'll get nominated to the Supreme Court.... since she's done such a wonderful job in CA and fits into Hillary's agenda.


If you give up on states like CA, NY and the others, then you have given up all together.

Its their hope for you do give up.

It makes it easier for them to take over.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
I have not given up on California, Californians have given up on California.

Rather than waste effort on people who will not help themselves, I'll give my help to people who are still fighting.
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Although someone points this out every time Californians are trashed here, apparently it needs to be pointed out again: NOT ALL CALIFORNIANS ARE ANTI-2A OR EVEN LIBERAL. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE OF US NOT IN THOSE CATEGORIES ARE OUTNUMBERED BY THOSE WHO ARE.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
I have not given up on California, Californians have given up on California.

Rather than waste effort on people who will not help themselves, I'll give my help to people who are still fighting.
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See post #26.


There are lots of people in CA still fighting.

All you have to do is open your eyes and have concern for your country as a whole.


Your future generations 2A Rights, no matter what state they will live in, are dependent on your actions.
 
danez71:

Thank you very much for those links, and especially for posting that horrible law that clearly violates the 1st Amendment, I had not even heard of it. Very happy to learn that the Firearms Policy Coalition won the preliminary injunction. What is the next step to getting that law invalidated?

Re Kamala Harris, she won about 40% of the vote in the open primary... Loretta Sanchez came in second at 19% and therefore advances to the general election in November despite both of them being Democrats. The rest of the vote broke down to 29% to GOP candidates, 5% to other Dem candidates, and 7% to third party or no preference candidates. While Sanchez holds many positions with which conservatives certainly don't agree, she's less bad than Harris. If she gets the GOP votes that brings her to 48%, then she only needs 20% of the remaining 12% to win. Of course, this doesn't take into account the people who did not vote in the primary but will vote in the general election, however pundits say a large percentage of those are Hispanic, so I wouldn't go conceding the election to Harris just yet.
 
old lady new shooter said:
danez71:

Thank you very much for those links, and especially for posting that horrible law that clearly violates the 1st Amendment, I had not even heard of it. Very happy to learn that the Firearms Policy Coalition won the preliminary injunction. What is the next step to getting that law invalidated?
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I don't know... I'm not that smart. That's an excellent question for Frank.


Re Kamala Harris, she won about 40% of the vote in the open primary... Loretta Sanchez came in second at 19% and therefore advances to the general election in November despite both of them being Democrats. The rest of the vote broke down to 29% to GOP candidates, 5% to other Dem candidates, and 7% to third party or no preference candidates. While Sanchez holds many positions with which conservatives certainly don't agree, she's less bad than Harris. If she gets the GOP votes that brings her to 48%, then she only needs 20% of the remaining 12% to win. Of course, this doesn't take into account the people who did not vote in the primary but will vote in the general election, however pundits say a large percentage of those are Hispanic, so I wouldn't go conceding the election to Harris just yet.
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I agree that Sanchez is less bad as compared to Harris.

Harris is an educated anti gun lawyer that's been the AG for... 15 yrs now? It would not surprise me if Hillary nominated her to SCOTUS.

However, Sanchez was taken under Boxer's and Feinstein's wings years ago. Shes been molded by the best of the anti's.

There is a 99.99999999999999% chance that one of those 2 making it to the US Senate.


I used to live in Sanchez's district in OC back when she was just getting into politics. She doesn't appear to be any smarter; just better schooled by Boxer and Feinstein

I don't believe she will get any where close to all of the GOP votes. I'd guess 50% at very best. The GOP's votes will either 1) not be voted as a protest and 2) be split between Sanchez and Harris but in favor of Harris in order to get Harris out of CA.

IOWs...IMO,

CA Dems and GOP'ers will want to get Harris to US Senate more so than Sanchez for the same reason; Harris's record in CA.

The Dems will see it Harris being more effective to push CA's interests nationally.

The GOP'ers will look at it getting Harris the heck out of CA because she has cause more harm to CA than Sanchez.


But we're getting too political in this thread. We can talk in PM about this stuff if you'd like.
 
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California may be worse, but I recently checked the gun laws for New York and that seems to be hell there as well - especially when you get closer to New York City.
I just wished the NRA would fight the gun laws in these states heavier.
 
NOT ALL CALIFORNIANS ARE ANTI-2A OR EVEN LIBERAL. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE OF US NOT IN THOSE CATEGORIES ARE OUTNUMBERED BY THOSE WHO ARE.
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Is that supposed to matter? The NRA/etc have finite resources, and clearly do not see Kali/NY as fertile ground for anything but court challenges, at best.

Then we get rulings like Watson or Peruta from these courts which waste so much time and money, and really have to wonder why we bothered. If it has to go to SCOTUS anyway to possibly go our way, might as well start in a more receptive circuit that can write a decent majority opinion to build upon.

TCB
 
I have not given up on California, Californians have given up on California.

Rather than waste effort on people who will not help themselves, I'll give my help to people who are still fighting.
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Truth

Looks like the current theme is to flee the State and infect others.
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More truth.

Look at the last 100 years of our history, even fifty years will illustrate the point nicely. American's are becoming experts at giving up rights. We shout and stamp our feet but another law is passed and we begrudgingly comply.
 
There will be another civil war in this country, and it may start in California, over this issue. If it happens, it will be a bloodbath.

Sure hope it doesn't, but you can only kick a dog for so long before he turns on you. Voting the liberals out of office will never happen in that state, unless millions of us move there and vote. That isn't likely either.

With SCOTUS in its current status, and the possibility of you know who in the White House, I see dark days ahead.
 
old lady new shooter said:
Although someone points this out every time Californians are trashed here, apparently it needs to be pointed out again: NOT ALL CALIFORNIANS ARE ANTI-2A OR EVEN LIBERAL. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THOSE OF US NOT IN THOSE CATEGORIES ARE OUTNUMBERED BY THOSE WHO ARE.
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This.

I see this happening elsewhere as well. Sadly, we are outnumbered and I'm not sure how we circle the wagons.
 
Originally posted by danez71

See post #26.


There are lots of people in CA still fighting.

All you have to do is open your eyes and have concern for your country as a whole.
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Thank you for pointing that out. Concern for the country as a whole requires me to seek victory where victory is possible, and not waste resources where it is not possible.

Until Californians begin a serious push-back, nothing I can do will help, and any resources I expend will be wasted.
 
I was one of those that found it necessary to flee the state of Ca. as soon as I could retire. I talk to friends back there often, and they all seem to hate the circumstances that are forced on them. None of them really have any practical answers to their political problems and while donating to their pro gun rights groups seems like a step in the right direction, it is merely a drop in the ocean. The state is run by a large southern demo bunch that push their agenda with no concern for the people of the state.
California was a beautiful place to live at one time...but no more !!! I go out there about once a year to visit kids and friends ....and then get the heck out. Too bad all the normal folks living there can't get out and leave it to the nuts running it.
Some might think I am just darned negative about the state of California...and they would be right. I don't see any hope on the horizon, and can find nothing constructive to say about their future.
 
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barnbwt said:
Is that supposed to matter? The NRA/etc have finite resources, and clearly do not see Kali/NY as fertile ground for anything but court challenges, at best.

Then we get rulings like Watson or Peruta from these courts which waste so much time and money, and really have to wonder why we bothered. If it has to go to SCOTUS anyway to possibly go our way, might as well start in a more receptive circuit that can write a decent majority opinion to build upon.

TCB
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Those other 'more receptive circuits' are NOT where the fight is happening.


Basically you're saying we should fight where there is no fight.


And what happens when all those pesky Californians keep moving to other states and ruin them like so many claim is happening now?


I'll tell you.... the majority of the circuits become anti 2A.


Not so much of a strategy to keep handing over states to the anti's unless you don't value the 2A yourself, or for future generations.




Said by alsaqr

Not much we out of staters can do to change that.
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Sure there is. I've already said it.

Donate where the fight is.
 
Originally posted by dane71:

Those other 'more receptive circuits' are NOT where the fight is happening.

Basically you're saying we should fight where there is no fight.
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There is a sound military principle, "Reinforce success, not failure." It means, "Don't butt your head against a stone wall -- use the door!"

Where we have won before, we raise issues and win again.

Where we lose, and where the locals will not aid us in the fight, we only waste resources.

How many of those complaining in California are members of their Republican County Committee? How many of them are involved in recruiting and supporting LOCAL officials?

And how many just shrug their shoulders and say, "What can we do?"
 
My solution is for this to become a Fourteenth Amendment issue. That state hates the Second, but may be embarrassed into backing off if other states strongly impact access to firearms for California residents and government agencies.

Residents will start seeing headlines like: "Sacramento's policies led to no new firearms for police."

It is a painful approach, in the short term for residents and vendors, but personally, I believe it would place a lot of pressure on courts and legislators. Its a way for the regular person in that state to realize what's going on.

If nothing is done, in time, residents and vendors will feel a lot more pain anyway.
 
I'm reminded of a German General I once knew who commanded a NATO Corps made up of units from several nations.

"I go to my German units and tell them what they must do.

"I go to my British units and tell them what they must NOT do.

"I go to the Americans and ask them what they are going to do.

"I go to the Belgians and plead for them to do something, anything.

"And I go to the Dutch and take tea, because no matter what I say, they're not going to do anything."

When the Californians start doing something, then I'll help.
 
When the Californians start doing something, then I'll help.
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To me, it's a simple concept to understand: Pro-gun people in California are outnumbered. It's like telling a 90 pound woman with a 300 pound man sitting on her to "get up!".

Pretty sure she doesn't want to be there and has tried with all she has to move him. But, the numbers are against her.
 
Let California fall into the pacific.
Quite honestly anyone living there had already made a cost vs benefit analysis of their life and decided to stay knowing whats happening there.
I don't sell anything to California, I avoid going to california, I don't spend money with california businesses.
 
What if it's a 600lb woman with a 1000lb woman on top of her? Even with the burden lifted, you're asking the moon for the 20% and falling people who care to "take charge"

--Kali's system has been intentionally modified to cater to mob rule, they're kind of stuck in it at this point, barring major external or extraordinary influences (which the NRA can't just "will" into existence as is often claimed)

TCB
 
I check the NRA voting guide each time I vote in a CA election. It's frustrating to live here. I've tried to live elsewhere but I have limited options in other parts of the country. Retirement is only 15 years away.
 
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