RetiredUSNChief said:Let's face it...closer ranges are less challenging than longer ranges
9mmepiphany said:The importance of shooting at 25 yards and longer is that it exposes the flaws in your shooting technique that are often ignored at closer distances.
There is a lot of rationalization to avoid acknowledging weaknesses in your shooing technique, but you're the only one who suffers because of it
Zero importance. While hitting dixie plate at 25 with G20 isn't particularly difficult I would hate to EDC that thing.Recently I've shot more than I should at 25 yards. I say this because at some point it's no longer practice and simply chunking ammo. I sometimes get frustrated because I'm not make regular hits on the 6" plate. I shoot everything I have from 3-25+ yards. I did find that when I move to 7-10 yards my plate shooting is much improved. I wonder how important accuracy is at 25 yards. Should I worry that I don't hit the plate every time my glock 26 at 25 yards if I hit fast and regular from 3-10? I find that the 26 shows my fatigue quicker than larger guns. I think I am going to begin shooting less rounds while I only shoot 3 rounds per mag to pace myself I still waste a lot of ammo.
You're compareing apples and oranges making a moot point. No matter what the speed distance makes hits more difficult.That's true if we're talking about "combat accuracy" at plinking speed. Rippin' a fast & clean El Prez drill is just as challenging as shooting 25 -50 yard groups.
No, it's not. It just won't be as fast. If your El Prez time at 5 yards is the same as it is at 15 yds, one of them is wrong.You're compareing apples and oranges making a moot point. No matter what the speed distance makes hits more difficult.
Ripping a fast and clean El Prez drill is harder at 15 yards than it is at 5 yards.
There's no rule saying you can't use a shot timer when you move the targets out past 21 ft.
no, it's not. It just won't be as fast. If your el prez time at 5 yards is the same as it is at 15 yds, one of them is wrong.
You can slap a trigger at 2 yards and still get hits.
But that's not what you said, which was:you go slower because it's a more difficult task
Read then reread.No matter what the speed, distance makes hits more difficult
Except that's wrong.Read then reread.
I said no matter what the speed not that speed doesn't matter.
I don't care if you're making .15 splits or taking 10 minutes between shots hits at distance are harder than up close.
DavidE said:Distance alone isn't especially difficult.
IF SOMETHING REQUIRES MORE SKILL IT IS MORE DIFFICULTDavidE said:As distance increases, the more skill is required to make hits.
Maybe we need to better define, “long distance.” Frankly I’m surprised to find 25 yards (or sometimes even less) to be considered an unusually long distance.
No I didn't read, reread, then post I saidYou said its "difficult" to rip off an El Prez at 15 yds. NO, ITS NOT!
So either 15 yards is more difficult or you are wrong here.mavracer said:Ripping a fast and clean El Prez drill is harder at 15 yards than it is at 5 yards
DavidE said:If your El Prez time at 5 yards is the same as it is at 15 yds, one of them is wrong.
It's 9.33...%Ok, if you can hit your pie plate at 14 yds, how much more difficult will it be at 15 yds?
But according to you distance doesn't add difficulty, only speed will make it harder.Yeah, except I said 15 yds, not 5.
Sometimes we're even trickier.Instructors trick many people into it by using the "Walk Back Drill" in class.
.......As to the discussion of distance vs. speed:
My experience has shown me that speed is a higher factor in folks missing than distance. This would mean that speed has a greater effect on accuracy than distance.
Yup, as the saying goes: you can't miss fast enough to catch-up.
Even with a low velocity bullet such as the .451 230gr (750-850fps) you really have to be shooting past 100yards before an environmental factor such as wind can become a problem. Get past 200yards, mirage really becomes a factor. If you have the sights set right you can lob heavy and slow quite accurately out to 200 yards.
Old Fuff wrote - On occasion I have watched metallic silhouette shooters hit and knock down targets about the size of a large dog, at well over 200 yards while using a target accurized .45 1911 platform pistol. Or others (particularly law enforcement officers) who could keep shots from a snubby .38 revolver in the K-Zone of a B-27 target at 50 yards and greater.
Just what were those targets that got knocked down "at well over 200 yards while using a target accurized .45 1911 platform pistol"? I have never seen a ram knocked down by a .45 at 200 yards. I have hit them infrequently, but never seen any one knock one down.
I presume that everyone posting here knows the basics of shooting, so I often bypass making or addressing those points, but I can't do that with some folks.No I didn't read, reread, then post I said
So either 15 yards is more difficult or you are wrong here.
It's 9.33...%
But according to you distance doesn't add difficulty, only speed will make it harder.