How to legally stay alive,UK

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Do they sell Surefires over there?

My E2D is my last ditch self defense item. It literally goes everywhere with me. I cant think of a place it isn't allowed.

Its just a flashlight with nasty bits for pain compliance. Maybe you could get away with that? I dunno.

Seems you have a self defense problem there thats all wonky. Danged if you do, danged if you dont.
 
The Surefire Defender series are illegal to carry because they are designed to be weapons. Ordinary Surefires can be carried (provided you don't intend them to be weapons) and would serve well as kubatons if attacked.
 
While I know little of laws in the UK, it seems to me that while in the home there wouldn't be a law against having a large kitchen knife nearby. I can't add any input as to what should be carried outside however.
 
The other thing is, many people don't have the space to keep a dog. They have these tiny postage stamp gardens and terraced housing. My opinion is that if you are going to have a sizable dog, he deserves some space to run, he deserves a proper yard.
 
the dangerous dog act applies to pit bulls and a few other breeds though is a badly worded pile of toss though not quite as bad as the anti fox hunting law:D
 
I have some Stoppa spray - red dye stuff - and it's great, although a bit pricey. I've seen it used on chavs trying to pinch someone's bike and they squealed like girls when sprayed with it. Perfectly legal.

I also carry a mini maglight and have smacked a drunk with it once when he grabbed my collar and, well, I think he was trying to kiss me. Hold it with thumb over the lens and use the base to hit. The police turned up 10 seconds later and didn' care about the torch after realising it wasn't a D cell. I have a 3 D cell maglight by my front door, a good tool for whacking a scrote over the head.

I'm thinking of buying one of the 80 lumen+ torches which are good for temporarily blinding someone. www.usmcpro.com
 
Yes you can get 'Bouncer Spray' which is a foul smelling spray that covers skin and clothing with a UV sensetive dye. The dye is good for convicting criminals after the act but that will only deter them if they know what the obscure item is. The foul smell is supposed to be suprisingly effective but certainly it's not as good as pepper spray. I should think it would buy you a second or two or scare of casual criminals, but not stop a determined attacker. An individual size can is £12 ($24).

http://www.vestguard.co.uk/bouncer-spray/vestguard-bouncer-spray.htm

Bodyarmour is also a realistic option. A stab resistent vest would greatly improve your chances against an attacker armed with a knife (you'd probably want a covert one!).

For sturdy torches that can be used as kubatons, I'd reccomend Heinnie Haynes:

http://heinnie.com/

They do sell the Defender series from Surefire, which are fine for around the home but NOT in public. Stick to smooth or scalloped bezels, avoid crenellations. The Surefire E2E which is bright enough to blind with a good grip, pocket clip and sturdy enough to strike with, is £90 ($180). An AA Mini Maglite is a tenner. An alternative would be the Fenix P3D which is much bright than the the Surefire (which is much brighter than the Maglite) but lacks a momentary-on function. It's just as rugged and is only £40 ($80).

http://www.glowgadgets.co.uk/fenix-...mium-led-torch.ir?cName=1-flashlights-torches

For in-car protection (car jacking is getting more common), try the Life Hammer:

http://www.shop.edirectory.co.uk/auto_unique/1270/moreinfosu/d/lite+hammer/pid/1658164

£15 for the above 'lite' version or £10 for the original ($30 and $20 respectively).
 
Over here sissors are a common item. My wife and both daughters carry a pair in their purses for cutting threads that could pull out stiching on a garment and for general purpose. What about that?
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One man was convicted for carry a 'point or bladed object in a public place' - the item in question was the blade from a butter knife (minus handle BTW) - the Court ruled that it is not their job to decide on how sharp or how pointed a 'bladed or pointed' object needed to be to come within the remit of the Legislation! They ruled that if the object in question had a 'blade' even one without an edge it was unlawful to carry in public without lawful authority or a reasonable excuse.

Fosberry - I have it on good authority that the Bouncer spray is not very effective because the smell leaks over time and the range is quite short and the spray affected by the slightest breeze, and there are better alternatives available, some made specifically for the UK market by MACE in fact.

Also if such a spray uses a nasty smell to have an effect on the attacker, it will not be long before some hotshot at the CPS will come up with an argument that says that the nasty smell is in fact a 'noxious thing' and the Courts will likely rule that they are Sec 5 1 b weapons after all.

And if all else fails you can always carry one of these 100% legal and beyond question in 99.99% of situations. I would say that the only time the Police would be able to build a case against you for carrying one is if you were actually threatening or brandishing it as a weapon at the material time.
 
Well, a LOUD noise - like from a compressed gas pocketable can 'air horn' may be a momentary deterrent. They can certainly be attention getters. At least you may gain a witness or two...

We live on the outskirts of Birmingham. My wife thought my daily decision of which to pocket carry - an Airlite .44 Special or .38 Special - was unnecessary. That changed last week when a 20yr old college student, working part-time with her, was car-jacked at a four-way stop on the way home from work. The two attackers forced him out of the car and one attempted to execute him with a head shot from a small pistol. He struggled, saving his life, but incurring four gushot wounds; neck, arm, stomach, and thigh. He was blessed - no vital organ/nerve damage - no sepsis - he will make a full recovery. Within the last few years, there was a home invasion that cost the elderly couple their lives - and four Mexicans were shot - executed - by three black competitors in the local drug trade. This was all within two miles of my home - in a once very quiet residential suburb of Birmingham - Alabama, of course.

Fortunately, it is relatively easy to get a 'carry' permit here. Even a Canadian citizen friend legally bought a .45 - and got the sheriff to issue him a carry permit. My wife and I just got back from our pre-dawn walk. I felt naked - only a knife, ID, and flashlight (The gym short pockets are too-small for a .38!). Still, what if I was in NY or NJ... much less, England??

Stainz
 
I've been lurking for a bit but definitely felt the need to contribute to this thread. I'm appalled that the British government would so radically restrict the rights of their citizens but I guess I can understand the mindset of a government that caters to the radical Islamic cause.

That being said, I have some suggestions. Various weapons have been covered here so I won't dilute the pool anymore. Remember, the most important thing in ANY dangerous encounter is your mindset. You need to adopt a Malcolm X mindset e.g. Any means necessary. You are in the fight for your life so don't be afraid to use your hands, teeth in addition to whatever object you have to win the fight. If you need to pull hair or bite testicles well you do it.

I've always found screaming like a madman while engaged in a fight helps. Best of luck to all of you. Stay safe!
 
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K9 PO, I think you're mistaken about who is restricting rights. The push is largely coming from 'concerned citizens', the kind of person who'd be called a soccer mom in the USA. Ban everything for the sake of the children. This is a big part of the problem - so many people WANT to ban everything in the hope it will go away. I'm sure you know the mindset, people who think everything potentially dangerous is a weapon and having them must lead to a crazed rampage. In my opinion that's worse than a government doing it to an apathetic public (but not as bad as doing it to a largely unsupportive public).

In my local community the most rabid anti-gun campaigners are often the parents of teens who have been convicted of a serious gun crime. They blame the guns since that takes some guilt away from their precious little darlings. Same with knives, drunk driving and so on.
 
Why not just marrey into the royal family

They are about the only ones that shouldn't fear for their safety.
 
I've emailed the folks that make the Mosquito to ask if they have plans to manufacture a battery powered portable that would have a variable output from 85 dB to nearly 140 dB to use as a personal protection device. The idea being that lower power output would be used to deter interest in you while the higher power would be loud enough to people under 25 to make it painful for them to stay close to you. I'll let ya'll know what their response is.
 
Matt_W that spray looks interesting. I might have to get some and see how it works...

hso, I fear that such a device would be illegal to carry in the UK. If it is designed to cause pain then it could be ruled to be an offensive weapon.
 
I got a reply back from them. Nope, not planning to either.

Thank you for your email.

This is something we have looked at, however, it is not practical. Why would you want something that only works on kids. There are rape alarms on the market that everyone can hear and are well over 120 dB.

Kind regards,

Si
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I guess he doesn't realize that a lot of "random" violent crimes are committed by young men between the age of 16 and 25 (if not the vast majority) and that such a device might serve as a non-lethal alternative.
 
"hso, I fear that such a device would be illegal to carry in the UK. If it is designed to cause pain then it could be ruled to be an offensive weapon."

The portable alarms on sale for sale as attack/rape alarms are about 130db-140db, easily enough to cause pain if held near someone's ear. Since they're sold to attract attention and not to hurt someone, they are legal but useful if you want a loud noise.

I don't have much faith in these as a colleague got mugged while using one. The guy just slapped it out her hand and was off with her bag before anyone came to see what the noise was about.
 
The best I could ever come up with was a sturdy umbrella and a tightly rolled magazine (you'd be surprised), and a few years of TKD. At home you have other objects that might happen to be lying around, but still you have to consider "reasonable force".
 
I'd say, for anyone of relatively able body, look into WWII combatives (ours... or yours.. both I would deem sufficient from my limited experience.) Emphasis on sticks, canes and umbrellas, relatively simple, and cheap shots come first and foremost!

Unfortunately, for you older or infirm fellows, my only advice would be to leave as much money as you can in your will for a lawsuit, or donation somewhere.

Does anybody still fight for your rights in the UK? I'm not really plugged into politics here, let alone there.
 
I'd say, for anyone of relatively able body, look into WWII combatives (ours... or yours.. both I would deem sufficient from my limited experience.) Emphasis on sticks, canes and umbrellas, relatively simple, and cheap shots come first and foremost!

Unfortunately, for you older or infirm fellows, my only advice would be to leave as much money as you can in your will for a lawsuit, or donation somewhere.

Does anybody still fight for your rights in the UK? I'm not really plugged into politics here, let alone there.
 
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