Hunting photos.

[jim in Anchorage]

I know its early yet but I would like to see your hunting photos. Marmot to mastodon all good. Old or new photos . Give details on gun and cartridge good performance or bad. I will start-

Kashwitna river Alaska. Gun- 1951 M70 Winchester 30-06. One shot kill, 180 grain Nosler partition found [expanded in a perfect mushroom ] under the off hide.


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[Jeepergeo]

Nice! Congratulations.

I took a buck this week but don't have access to the photos yet. 30-06, 110 yards, Winchester 150 grain Power Core, Lead Free Hollow Point. I'm not happy with the Power Core which went clean through. It took a couple shots for the kill, and the wound channels showed no evidence of expansion. The first shot was in the zone and should have done the job.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Jeep-
Is that "leadless bullet" thing a state law? I have friends that hunt blacktails and swear by Barnes.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Jeep-
Is that "leadless bullet" thing a state law? I have friends that hunt blacktails and swear by Barnes.

CA did enact a leadless law that goes into full effect in 2019. However, there are a lot of areas in CA this year where you need to make the switch. I'm still confused myself where so I'm just going to go leadless.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Sheep dog-

What is the reasoning behind a leadless bullet law? I understand it's CA so it doesn't have to make sense.

 

[Bobson]

What is the reasoning behind a leadless bullet law? I understand it's CA so it doesn't have to make sense.

It's for the environment. Various scavengers consume fragmented lead from hunters, and cause damage and birth defects and other such stuff.

California isn't the only state pushing this. Scroll down to Page 36 of the Arizona hunting regulations booklet.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

I am a little disaponted AZ puts out this kind of nonsense. CA I expect it. Save the vultures?

 

[Bobson]

Apparently.

IDK how long Arizona has been putting it out; I just remembered seeing it from 2-3 years ago, so it's been at least that long.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

As far as I know I can use plutonium bullets in Alaska. If a "scavenger" eats it so what?
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[Patocazador]

As I understand this, California started it because of the condor. However, they now are going state-wide. Do condors roam as far as the Oregon state line?

Lead shot is banned for duck, coot, and goose hunting but it is OK to shoot snipe and rails in the same places with lead shot. Does this make sense?????

 

[jmorris]

As far as I know I can use plutonium bullets in Alaska.

Might need a license from the NRC.

 

[wankerjake]

IDK how long Arizona has been putting it out; I just remembered seeing it from 2-3 years ago, so it's been at least that long.

It's been going on awhile, they pitch it in Northern AZ around the Grand Canyon area (especially on the Kaibab) because of the California Condor. There is/was a program going to get the condor population up and running. We used to see them hiking into the canyon but I haven't seen any in years and don't know what the current status is on the AZ condor population. They are just big vultures to look at, impressive I suppose because of how enormous they are.

Hunt photos:
This was a great trip. Snow every day, cold as hell, not many elk, good company. This was day 2 or 3, still hunting bedding areas in the cold mid-day.


I was the first to kill on day 5, made a good stalk in loud, crunchy frozen snow and made a good shot ~275 yards. Win model 70 in 30-06, old Weaver 4x, 168gr TTSX. I've never been so happy to get a cow, first of five tags to get one in five days. Usually cows are easier to come by.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Good stuff wankerjake. I was in Flagstaff in 2006 and fell in love with the area.

Uh that cow is a little "gassy" looking. How long did it lay till you found it?

 

[wankerjake]

Took me a couple minutes to walk over, that photo was maybe 15-20 minutes later? after help arrived. I had two friends who were green at it and wanted them to see an elk gutted for the first time.

I took this picture in the interim, probably 10 minutes after I killed her. She's already filling up. I don't recall the exact damage inside but the TTSX had shed a petal and deflected hard on her ribs and shoulder (I was above her) and broke her back. My guess is the petal or bone fragments perforated the diaphragm.

 

[Bobson]

How far did that TTSX penetrate? Full pass, or no?

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Well I would say after such a short period of time in such cold conditions you were OK. It's just that the pic reminded me of a time I shot a caribou in warm weather [75 or so.] I had left my knife back at the plane and it took me a hour to get it.
well by the time I got back the boo was a bit bloated. When I cut into it it expoded "stuff" all over me.

 

[wankerjake]

How far did that TTSX penetrate? Full pass, or no?

This one did not pass through, I recovered it with a petal shed. Opened correctly. I can't find a picture of it but I still have the bullet somewhere. I was above her shooting down but the angle was not very sharp, her quartering very slightly away (mostly broadside). If I recall correctly I hit just behind the front side shoulder, it deflected on the first rib and turned towards her head/front breaking 2-3 shot-side ribs and then went into the chest cavity and I think I found it between the hide and her back side shoulder (way up at the front of the shoulder). The force/energy broke her back unless the petal deflected up there. The bullet did not cut thru the spine but the spine was broke, I remember that because it surprised me. It seemed too far away from the channel to be broke.

The point being it was a surprising path due to the deflection and I don't recall it exactly. I remember the shot-side ribs being broke 2-3 long and the channel was grooved along them, the bullet had traveled along them a ways. Had it not deflected it would have just lunged her, maybe caught a little off-side shoulder. I was actually shooting the front shoulder, got behind it a bit. All in all, with the deflection, I will guess 12-16 inches of penetration? It made it most the way thru which has to be ~12 inches, and then the deflection added some length.

Same rifle/load, other experiences: mature cow elk, ~275 yards broadside, thru both shoulders and out. 1 young cow (was actually a huge bull calf) shot in the chest at ~100 yards facing me, cleared the chest cavity... at least 12-14 inches, must have come out in the guts I didn't find it. It may have gone further. 1 120lb coues buck, ~30 yards, also facing me, found that one behind the hide on the opposite flank. It went a long ways...20 inches? I recovered that one too and have a picture:

Well I would say after such a short period of time in such cold conditions you were OK. It's just that the pic reminded me of a time I shot a caribou in warm weather [75 or so.] I had left my knife back at the plane and it took me a hour to get it.
well by the time I got back the boo was a bit bloated. When I cut into it it expoded "stuff" all over me.

Yeah definitely no explosion, her guts were intact. Thankfully I guess, I have not experienced that phenomenon!

 

[wankerjake]

Jim, looking at my other pics, I don't think the issue in my original picture is an issue of gas as it is of normal elk anatomy and my lazy job of not positioning the animal with legs tucked under etc. Different elk, same poses:

 

[H&Hhunter]

Cow elk on a snowy morning.



Whitetail in Eastern Colorado



Caribou east of ktozebue, AK.


Texas Hog


Mt Lion, Northern NM.


My big girl's first hog


Her first elk.


Little sisters first elk



Her first hog.



She got her first elk before she got her first hog.

 

[Jeepergeo]

Jeep-
Is that "leadless bullet" thing a state law? I have friends that hunt blacktails and swear by Barnes.

Yeah, Calfornia is moving towards all lead free hunting rounds over the next few years. In the Condor range, lead free has been the rule for several years... Even possession of lead based rounds is illegal in the Condor range during hunting season.

The Winchester rounds were $10/box less than the Barnes VOR-TX.

 

[Jeepergeo]

I am a little disaponted AZ puts out this kind of nonsense. CA I expect it. Save the vultures?

It is to save the Condors, at least initially. It was a false premise as they could not point to Condor deaths from injested lead in gut piles, but facts were not a major factor in the legislation. Anti-/Freeze from over heated vehicles was noted as a primary cause of Condor deaths, but the legislator libs did not want to take that one on, so it was easy to pick hinting rounds.

 

[Paul7]

Cow elk shot last January on Ted Turner's Vermejo Ranch in NM. Rifle is a Sako Finnlight in 6.5x55, with Zeiss Conquest scope. Saw several hundred elk that day.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Great photos H&H. Was that boo a albino? I never saw one that white.

 

[H&Hhunter]

Great photos H&H. Was that boo a albino? I never saw one that white.

Nah I don't think so. It was taken with a cheap older film camera and the color got washed out pretty bad.

 

[jim in Anchorage]

Yeah I can get that. [The washed out photo.] Looks like a double shovel boo though. Nice and hard to come by.