Hypothetical: What would you carry, concealed?

[DT Guy]

Just poking around the Sabre site they show of levels of
bear spray at 1.0 - 2.0%
dog attack spray .35 - 1.0%
self defense level 1, up to. 5%
self defense level 2, 0.5 to 1.0%
self defense level 3, 1.0 to 1.33%
for whatever it's worth.

That's concentration; you also have to look at the SHU rating.

Larry

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I voted "other" but I'd have no problem carrying a .44 Spec if I had one. Maybe not as my main EDC but I'd take one for getting the mail or walking the dog.

 

[film495]

in my experience dogs dont like to attack anyone carrying a baseball bat, they think about it and then just decide it aint worth it

 

[jstert]

i have been charged by angry, off-leash dogs, in the company of their idiot owners, too often while i jog in usually deserted jurisdictions that have 24x7 leash-on rules and absolutely forbid firearms. my asian wife isn’t used to dogs and sadly declines to go there with me. i carry a 18”x1” maple “swagger stick” that i made for my stretching exercises because billy clubs, cudgels, blackjacks, batons etc. are bad felonious weapons. i wear leather gloves in all weather because i will fight hard with my stick if cornered, the owners see it in me and stop the “oh he won’t bite” bleating to retrieve their dog. if i could ccw there i certainly would. to be perfectly frank, reading about an l.e.o. who can ccw in any circumstance and flashes his badge to defuse a personal, off-duty dispute makes me feel like a second class citizen.

 

[shootstraight57]

.410 shotgun shells are more readily available then that of the other cartridges.

 

[The Night Rider]

To be perfectly frank, reading about an l.e.o. who can ccw in any circumstance and flashes his badge to defuse a personal, off-duty dispute makes me feel like a second class citizen.

I agree

 

[defjon]

Don't use handgun shotshell on the pooch.

The answer is whatever is loaded with federal 410 buck for handguns.

The others will harm and maim, are cruel and unusual to use to deter a pit bull, and frankly may just piss it off.

 

[defjon]

I've got anecdotal but fairly trustworthy reports of the 410 federal buck for handguns being effective on a blackberry around 250ish lbs. Also heard the winchester pdx worked, but ballistic tests make me doubtfil.

That pdx has some brutal recoil in the governor.

 

[Scrapiron45]

That's concentration; you also have to look at the SHU rating.

Larry

I tried to find that chart again to see what it was using as a standard, no luck. Was under the impression they were using MC as their measurement but that's just an assumption on my part. Thanks.

 

[Old Dog]

to be perfectly frank, reading about an l.e.o. who can ccw in any circumstance and flashes his badge to defuse a personal, off-duty dispute makes me feel like a second class citizen.

Apologies in advance to the OP for taking the thread further off-track.

I presume you refer one of my comments. I'm sorry if this makes you "feel like a second-class citizen," but in no way was I invoking any privilege, nor attempting to "defuse" a personal issue. Apparently, my post was not clear -- the woman was threatening to call 911 to report me as having physically struck her dog with my stick. In any situation where a party is getting ready to call law enforcement and report me as a possible suspect in a crime (misdemeanor cruelty to a domestic animal), you'd best believe it is my obligation to identify myself (as well as facilitating communication for the RP to speak to a supervisor to mediate the dispute).

 

[The Night Rider]

Apologies in advance to the OP for taking the thread further off-track.

I presume you refer one of my comments. I'm sorry if this makes you "feel like a second-class citizen," but in no way was I invoking any privilege, nor attempting to "defuse" a personal issue. Apparently, my post was not clear -- the woman was threatening to call 911 to report me as having physically struck her dog with my stick. In any situation where a party is getting ready to call law enforcement and report me as a possible suspect in a crime (misdemeanor cruelty to a domestic animal), you'd best believe it is my obligation to identify myself (as well as facilitating communication for the RP to speak to a supervisor to mediate the dispute).

That's not how what you wrote sounded

I casually moved the right side of my jacket back to reveal my badge clipped on my belt in front of my OWB Kramer holster... pulled my phone out of weakside jacket pocket and offered to call the sheriff's office watch commander if she cared to discuss things.

Casually moving your jacket so she can see your badge and your gun (which would be a felony menacing if anybody other than a cop did it by the way) doesn't sound like identifying yourself because you're obligated to do so to me.

Sounds a lot more like playing that blue privilege card.

Just out of curiosity would it have been your Sheriff's Department responding?

 

[plumberroy]

Okay when I was a young man, I worked with the dog warden dealing with feral dogs. A few times I have had to kill attacking dogs. Even with a shotgun at the ready you probably won't get a second shot. . I have exploded a dogs head at 3 ft from the muzzle with buck shot last dog I had to kill with a Rottweiler and I killed him in the park with a walking stick with a blow to the head . I was armed at the time. That was enough to convince the officer that I was no malicious. Trying to stop an aggressive dog with snake shot in a handgun isn't a bright idea

 

[Nuke8401]

Other.
When I was a young teen, I was delivering newspapers on foot, and this happened to me. It was a medium sized dog, I don’t remember the breed (early 70s). I carried a toy cap gun with me for just this situation as there were many dogs on my route. One shot from the cap gun as he got close sent him on his way with tail between his legs. Yes, this is a single point of data but that’s what I am going with.

Other because I don't plan for a specific situation.
I normally carry a 500-lumen flashlight on my belt, an assist opening pocketknife and LW Commander in .45 ACP.
I would start shooting when the dog was ten or so feet away and if a couple of rounds into the ground didn’t deter him then once he is on me a contact shot or two should stop his attack. I would hope to have the presence of mind to know my target and what’s behind it before shooting.

 

[Old Dog]

Saw this post last night, decided not to respond then out of irritation.

Casually moving your jacket so she can see your badge and your gun (which would be a felony menacing if anybody other than a cop did it by the way) doesn't sound like identifying yourself because you're obligated to do so to me.

Didn't display sidearm, and none of my actions could have been construed by any reasonable person as an attempt to intimidate (or be "menacing").

Sounds a lot more like playing that blue privilege card.

You are entitled to your opinion. To me, "blue privilege" would be more like showing creds in an attempt to get out of a DUI, or cut the line to get into a concert or event, maybe get a free beverage on the house. In the context of the situation I relayed, it was not inappropriate nor an attempt to invoke "blue privilege." But, I guess you'd have had to be there to understand. I get it; all the actions of the boys in blue (or tan) fall under heavier scrutiny. The party I was dealing with didn't take it personally and we ended up engaged in rational and civil discourse, and now wave at each other when driving by or walking the doggos.

Just out of curiosity would it have been your Sheriff's Department responding?

Nope, but wouldn't have mattered; I would not have been cut any slack were it to appear I was at fault for escalating the encounter or had possibly actually struck the dog if there'd been no indication of potential harm... I worked in the neighboring county from the one in which I reside.

 

[jstert]

old dog, truly appreciate your candor in relating a tough situation. you face enough trouble on-duty so it’s certainly frustrating to face same in your moments of pleasure, when minding your own business. please consider this: the purposeful display of your badge, firearm and knowledge about the sheriff’s dispatcher gave you leverage to shape the outcome of a personal dispute to your satisfaction, after the errant dog was duly restrained. a civilian in your shoes has no such leverage to control the outcome. what happens if a lawful ccw carrier fleetingly and silently displays a purely cosmetic badge to a l.e.o. during an interaction? why might there be a law in some places against doing so? is a certain perception attempted to elicit some reply that advantages the guy with the cosmetic badge? in this dog’s case a civilian pedestrian simply sucks up the frustration of not both being acknowledged to be right and the hurt of a wrongful accusation, parts ways on an even keel, moves on, and gives that house and its occupants a wide berth in future neighborhood walks. nobody should be upset about a happy ending, but how it is obtained can be a foggy, slippery slope.

 

[The Night Rider]

I have communications issues. I know they exist and I've developed strategies to work around them.

If I was in that position I would not "Casually display my badge" I certainly wouldn't do that if it was in any kind of proximity to my handgun. Because the way I read that sentence was that both badge and gun were displayed to the woman, which would be felony menacing where I'm at.

I used to have a supervisor that would tell me all the time "It doesn't matter what you intended to communicate what matters is what the other person perceived you as communicating."

I remember that every time I open my mouth, I especially remember that every time I open my mouth in an escalated situation.

 

[ojibweindian]

Dog treats, or pepper spray.

 

[Rick McC.]

Following recent medical issues and chronic spine problems; I’ve been carry a 17 round Sig P365 XMACRO for the last couple of months:

 

[Creaky_Old_Cop]

Same platform I have carried 24/7 for over 30 years now. Glock 40 cal, most likely a Glock 23. This is assuming, of course, that whatever animal with an attitude gets through my TWO English Mastiffs. Then again, I live out in a little fart of a desert town on 10 acres, so I am more likely to dirt nap a coyote than a dog. I know...I have seen me do it.