dasmi
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Um, wrong. The GLOCK is nothing more than a hunk of plastic and metal. It is responsible for nothing.
I feel uneasy about Glock's safety
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Um, wrong. The GLOCK is nothing more than a hunk of plastic and metal. It is responsible for nothing.
Zach S
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While I have problems with glocks, leaving one chambered isnt one of them. When I had a G17 I kept it chambered at all times, just as I do with my 1911s. I'm getting another G17 next Friday. I'll probably keep it chambered too.
I disagree. A 1911's trigger has a much shorter stroke and normally a lighter lighter break. For example, two out of my three Kimbers have <4lb triggers, and very little takeup (.050" or so?). Neither one have had a trigger job.
I agree. I dropped a CnL'ed Kimber once. Catching it resulted in a hole in a subwoofer, and a rather large hole in the box.
I agree. It would appear that too many officers cant keep their booger hooks off the bang switches.
"The only thing I worry about with a Glock is the fact that the trigger mechanism is activated by that little plate moving down. I start to wonder what would happen if it just failed one day and suddenly the thing came down and the striker does its job and bang"
The Glock is BASICALLY a DA. The striker is not fully cocked untill you pull the trigger.
When the striker is ar rest when a round is chambered it is not under enough spring tension for it to fire if it "slipped".
And the striker is also locked by the firing pin lock untill the trigger is pulled.
It is almost impossible for the Glock to fire without a trigger pull so don't ever let that worry you.
The Glock is BASICALLY a DA. The striker is not fully cocked untill you pull the trigger.
When the striker is ar rest when a round is chambered it is not under enough spring tension for it to fire if it "slipped".
And the striker is also locked by the firing pin lock untill the trigger is pulled.
It is almost impossible for the Glock to fire without a trigger pull so don't ever let that worry you.
I have heard too many people say keep your finger off of the trigger and everthing will be fine.
Well, we are not perfect people and we ALL make mistakes.
Whne handling a gun we should always be aware of how we are doing it and treat it as a deadly weapon BUT if we handle this gun everyday we get used to it and sometimes maybe thinking of something else while handling it and thats when things could go wrong! Maybe pick it up by inside the trigger guard while thinking of the to do's of the day and with the light trigger whats going to happen? BOOM!!
Pickup my P2000 in DA/SA with decocker from inside the trigger guard and with an 11 pound first shot the trigger is almost impossible to fire without trying.....
There is an $85 manual safety that can be added to any Glock if one wants....drf
Well, we are not perfect people and we ALL make mistakes.
Whne handling a gun we should always be aware of how we are doing it and treat it as a deadly weapon BUT if we handle this gun everyday we get used to it and sometimes maybe thinking of something else while handling it and thats when things could go wrong! Maybe pick it up by inside the trigger guard while thinking of the to do's of the day and with the light trigger whats going to happen? BOOM!!
Pickup my P2000 in DA/SA with decocker from inside the trigger guard and with an 11 pound first shot the trigger is almost impossible to fire without trying.....
There is an $85 manual safety that can be added to any Glock if one wants....drf
El Rojo
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You are right! I just took mine apart and noticed as you pull the trigger, the plate moves back and then down. Very interesting. I sort of had a feeling it just wouldn't move down anyway, but now that I look at it, it most certainly couldn't just drop. It would have to move back and then down. I am sure the striker pressure would keep it from just randomly moving backwards without some decent trigger pressure. Nice.
This gun is safe. I like it.
I checked out an IWB holster once and wasn't too impressed. Mexican Carry has been working, so I haven't tried to fix it. I think the first time I shoot myself in the ass I will change my mind. However, I don't plan on doing that. Famous last words.
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Glocks are fine, WITH A HOLSTER. Do not carry in the pocket with round in the pipe. Do not carry "Mexican." Unless you want trouble.
mdsteele
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The safety on any gun is between your ears, not on the gun. 
Texshooter
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Yes, and if you have anything between your ears, you would never carry a chambered Glock in your pocket without a holster. IF you have anything between your ears.
The self righteous posts from those who have never been in harms way always fascinate me.
I had a shooting where I fired 2 rounds. I insisted to the homicide investigators that I only fired one. The truth was that I fired 2. But since I had just witnessed my target killing someone, and he was now shooting at me, I wasn't at my best. The weapon was a double action revolver with a 9 LB trigger and a long length of travel.
Go ahead and live in your Walter Mitty world, where you react perfectly, like you do on the range. I'll carry a weapon with a safety or a long double action trigger.
By the way, I was a regular competitor in combat matches at the time, some of which I won. But keep telling yourself how much better you are than those poorly trained cops.
I had a shooting where I fired 2 rounds. I insisted to the homicide investigators that I only fired one. The truth was that I fired 2. But since I had just witnessed my target killing someone, and he was now shooting at me, I wasn't at my best. The weapon was a double action revolver with a 9 LB trigger and a long length of travel.
Go ahead and live in your Walter Mitty world, where you react perfectly, like you do on the range. I'll carry a weapon with a safety or a long double action trigger.
By the way, I was a regular competitor in combat matches at the time, some of which I won. But keep telling yourself how much better you are than those poorly trained cops.
El Rojo
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Remember the High Road. As long as you don't have anything else in that pocket, it isn't going anywhere. Sure you could throw yourself down and into the corner of a desk and it might go off. But for that matter an astaroid could fall out of the sky and hit you too.
No need to worry. The Glock is the worlds safest massproduced gun, with 3 different safetyfeatures. As long as it is kept within factory standard. It cant go off if being dropped. The triggerplate on my G17 was so thight when I bought it, I really had to be very exact when pulling the trigger or it couldnt be pulled at all. Now that it has been shot more than 1k rounds I can fire it in a normal fashion.
How a G. can go off by being grasped by the guard, I dont know but it tells me that there is probably something wrong with it. I know some guys tune theirs, but then they are not up to factory standard. :banghead:
No gun is safer than the idiot holding it. How you handle it is something you have to answer for.
As long as you feed it factory standard loads, it will fire when you want it to.
S
The triggerplate on my G17 was so thight when I bought it, I really had to be very exact when pulling the trigger or it couldnt be pulled at all. Now that it has been shot more than 1k rounds I can fire it in a normal fashion. How a G. can go off by being grasped by the guard, I dont know but it tells me that there is probably something wrong with it. I know some guys tune theirs, but then they are not up to factory standard. :banghead:
No gun is safer than the idiot holding it. How you handle it is something you have to answer for.
As long as you feed it factory standard loads, it will fire when you want it to.
S
Graystar
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re: mexican carry
First, that's a terrible description.
Second, I use a ClipDraw for carry without a holster...gives a bit more security than pure holsterless carry.
Third, people that say carrying a Glock holsterless is dangerous obviously have never done it (hence, speaking out of their...well...you know.) There's nothing wrong with it.
And if you drop your gun...let it fall...I don't care what kind it is.
First, that's a terrible description.
Second, I use a ClipDraw for carry without a holster...gives a bit more security than pure holsterless carry.
Third, people that say carrying a Glock holsterless is dangerous obviously have never done it (hence, speaking out of their...well...you know.) There's nothing wrong with it.
And if you drop your gun...let it fall...I don't care what kind it is.
possenti
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Sean85746, I need to have a word with you...
People often joke about spitting (usually soda or coffee) on their monitors and/or keyboards after they read something funny. I kid you not - as I type this, soggy potato chip crumbs are sliding down my screen.
That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I have to remember that one!
People often joke about spitting (usually soda or coffee) on their monitors and/or keyboards after they read something funny. I kid you not - as I type this, soggy potato chip crumbs are sliding down my screen.
That is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I have to remember that one!
45R
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Feel uneasy about your new Glock. Pay for a weekend seminar and get some training so that you can get comfortable with your new weapon.
thereisnospoon
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BAD Glock
Once again, it seems this has digressed into a Glock hate thread. IN the immortal words of Rodney King, " C-c-c-c-can't we all just get along? 
In the mean time, let me say, I have owned no less than 6 different models of the Glock pistol, FOR CARRY and COMPETITION, and I have never, ever had a problem with an ND. The only ND I have experienced was with a S&W revolver during a COMPETITION where by I squeezed before I was on target...thank God I was pointing down range. None of us know how we will react if we ever have to use our weapon in a life or death situation, as pointed out, but I believe the Glock will perform as designewd, any failure will be my responsability.
Back to the original reason for this post, namely, someone in Switzerland has reservations about carrying one in the pipe.
If I remeber correctly, the Israeli Army trains their soldiers to carry the Glock with an empty chamber, then rack the slide as part of the draw stroke...maybe you could find a post somewhere discussing this.
By the way...considering you live in Switzerland, shouldn't your SHTF gun be like a Steyr AUG or something like that...remeber a pistol is simply what you use when you're caught without your battle rifle
Spoon
Once again, it seems this has digressed into a Glock hate thread. IN the immortal words of Rodney King, " C-c-c-c-can't we all just get along? In the mean time, let me say, I have owned no less than 6 different models of the Glock pistol, FOR CARRY and COMPETITION, and I have never, ever had a problem with an ND. The only ND I have experienced was with a S&W revolver during a COMPETITION where by I squeezed before I was on target...thank God I was pointing down range. None of us know how we will react if we ever have to use our weapon in a life or death situation, as pointed out, but I believe the Glock will perform as designewd, any failure will be my responsability.
Back to the original reason for this post, namely, someone in Switzerland has reservations about carrying one in the pipe.
If I remeber correctly, the Israeli Army trains their soldiers to carry the Glock with an empty chamber, then rack the slide as part of the draw stroke...maybe you could find a post somewhere discussing this.
By the way...considering you live in Switzerland, shouldn't your SHTF gun be like a Steyr AUG or something like that...remeber a pistol is simply what you use when you're caught without your battle rifle
Spoon
ExtremeDooty
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I hadn't thought of that before and it sounds like good advice. I'll try it later today.
That's what I like about this board, you can always find good information if you're open minded enough to listen.
Thereisnospoon: I fully agree with you. Actually my SHTF rifle would be a SIG 550. But, as handguns go (and I own around 10 modern ones plus a few old ones on which I wouldn't want my life to depend), I find the Glock instinctively points the best. Hence my above question on safety...
ezypikns
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Just bought a Glock 34.
I love it. I plan to shoot it in IDPA competition. Don't plan to carry it though. It has nothing to do with safe/not safe, it's just a little large for a carry weapon (for me). I think if you purchase a quality holster which covers the trigger properly, a Glock would be as safe as any.
I love it. I plan to shoot it in IDPA competition. Don't plan to carry it though. It has nothing to do with safe/not safe, it's just a little large for a carry weapon (for me). I think if you purchase a quality holster which covers the trigger properly, a Glock would be as safe as any.
dasmi
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Personally, I am more comfortable with a Glock than something with a manual safety, like a 92FS. I started out with a revolver, and I want to know that when I pull my gun, it will go BANG when I pull the trigger. I don't want to have to worrry about any levers or switches when I need to use it.
stevelyn
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Abso-FN-lutely. I can't count the number of times on this forum where someone has mentioned that the idea of carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, any semi-auto with a chambered round, or a revolver with all chambers loaded gives them a case of the vapors. It's no different for the Glock.
I imagine most this is caused by the lack of familiarity and training on those specific platforms and due in a small part to dinosaur ideas that were valid at one time (ie old revolvers w/fixed firing pins). Some folks are resistant/apprehensive to change.
I also see people using the term "Mexican carry" as if it's a viable carry option. I personally think stuffing a pistol down your pants without a proper holster is a dumb idea. And that clip draw thingy is nothing more than capitalism at work on the same dumb idea.
Are there situations where sticking a pistol in your waist band w/o a holster maybe necessary? Of course, but it should only be in rare emergencies and NOT as a matter of practice.
The "Israeli Method" was shown to be a hoax. It was taught at one time by a retard.........er...retired Marine who was passing off the same CYA garbage he learned in the Marine Corps and was used for a period of time. The Israelis have evolved since then with real professional training.
Nick_90,
If you like the Glock, get the Glock. Get some formal training, a quality holster and practice trigger finger discipline, and you won't have a problem. Given time I think you'll become just as comfortable with the Glock as you are with any other handgun.
It's a matter of mindset
Nick_90,
I used to (and sometimes still do) carry a Sig P220. I currently carry a Glock G30. I can completely understand the concern about safety, as I had to think about this too. The long trigger pull of the Sig DA does gives one a feeling of security. Unholstering the Sig always felt safer than the Glock.
I had to adopt a different mindset with the Glock. The Glock's safety starts and ends (from the user perspective) with the trigger. Therefore I bought an IWB holster with snaps so that can be removed with the gun holstered and the trigger covered. If I take the gun out of the holster the first thing I do is safe the weapon by removing all live rounds otherwise the trigger guard is ALWAYS covered.
I use the G30 in IDPA competition so I'm comfortable holstering and drawing the gun hot. With a Glock you must always be aware of the trigger and the relative position of it to your finger.
Nick_90,
I used to (and sometimes still do) carry a Sig P220. I currently carry a Glock G30. I can completely understand the concern about safety, as I had to think about this too. The long trigger pull of the Sig DA does gives one a feeling of security. Unholstering the Sig always felt safer than the Glock.
I had to adopt a different mindset with the Glock. The Glock's safety starts and ends (from the user perspective) with the trigger. Therefore I bought an IWB holster with snaps so that can be removed with the gun holstered and the trigger covered. If I take the gun out of the holster the first thing I do is safe the weapon by removing all live rounds otherwise the trigger guard is ALWAYS covered.
I use the G30 in IDPA competition so I'm comfortable holstering and drawing the gun hot. With a Glock you must always be aware of the trigger and the relative position of it to your finger.
dhoomonyou
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The "Israeli Method" was shown to be a hoax. It was taught at one time by a retard.........er...retired Marine who was passing off the same CYA garbage he learned in the Marine Corps and was used for a period of time. The Israelis have evolved since then with real professional training.
Nick_90,
DO you have any support for this statement??
I use the G30 in IDPA competition so I'm comfortable holstering and drawing the gun hot. With a Glock you must always be aware of the trigger and the relative position of it to your finger.
Should'nt you ALWAYS be aware of finger to trigger position?
Nick_90,
DO you have any support for this statement??
I use the G30 in IDPA competition so I'm comfortable holstering and drawing the gun hot. With a Glock you must always be aware of the trigger and the relative position of it to your finger.
Should'nt you ALWAYS be aware of finger to trigger position?
FireStar_M40
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Glock Safety..
One of our posters said.. "You shouldnt be concerned about the gun's safety".
If I've said it once.. I've said it at least a dozen times. "A trigger is NOT the place where one wants their safety to be!" A trigger and safety are two different items that perform opposite functions. This being the case.. why would you want them to be placed together at the same spot?
Trigger-Safety.. Safety-Trigger. It's nothing more than a accident waiting to happen.
FireStar_M40
One of our posters said.. "You shouldnt be concerned about the gun's safety".
If I've said it once.. I've said it at least a dozen times. "A trigger is NOT the place where one wants their safety to be!" A trigger and safety are two different items that perform opposite functions. This being the case.. why would you want them to be placed together at the same spot?
Trigger-Safety.. Safety-Trigger. It's nothing more than a accident waiting to happen.
FireStar_M40
stevelyn
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dhoom,
Yes I have support for the statement. The original article was run in Soldier of Fortune magazine about a year ago and follow up issues addressed current training methods from readers.
I will dig through my back issues and get the issue #s as well as the month/year they were issued.
Yes I have support for the statement. The original article was run in Soldier of Fortune magazine about a year ago and follow up issues addressed current training methods from readers.
I will dig through my back issues and get the issue #s as well as the month/year they were issued.
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