I feel uneasy about Glock's safety
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C-grunt
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I work regularly with the Iraqi police and they ND ALL THE TIME with their AKs, but I have yet to see one ND his G19.
Old NFO
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+1 on Sindawe- I've carried a G19 and G26 for 4 years. It'a all between the ears and the "training" you put yourself through. Bottom line though- If you're not comfortable with it- GET RID OF IT!!!!! 
I'm not the biggest Glock fan in the world. My issues with them are from an ergonomic standpoint, though.
I carry an issued G22 every day as my duty gun. Like it or not, it is ridiculously safe, durable, and reliable. As long as you are carrying it in a proper holster and training correctly (with your finger off the trigger until you sights are on target) I wouldn't give much concern to the gun spontaneously discharging.
If that is your only concern, you are in great shape!
I carry an issued G22 every day as my duty gun. Like it or not, it is ridiculously safe, durable, and reliable. As long as you are carrying it in a proper holster and training correctly (with your finger off the trigger until you sights are on target) I wouldn't give much concern to the gun spontaneously discharging.
If that is your only concern, you are in great shape!
mmike87
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I won't flame you. but I will say that IMO this is not the best way to carry a Glock. A holstered Glock is as safe as any gun - but don't the Glock folks say "always a holster" or something to that effect? I just think that clothing or something could get bunched up and put pressure on the trigger.
I value what's down there too much to go that route ...
But to each his or her own. Enjoy!
glocker1911
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Bottom line is that if you are unsure at all about a Glock from a safety standpoint, don't buy one. There are a ton of other guns that will fill your needs to a "t". Glocks are great guns, I have total confidence in mine. I personally think they make great ccw pistols. But the number one priority in a ccw is that YOU have total faith in it. If you have questions about a Glock that you can't feel 100% sure of the answers, keep looking. Good luck.
I think, Bobby Lee, you're confusing remarks concerning Glocks' rather poor trigger with a "long and hard" trigger pull. As Glocks prove, it is very possible to have a poor trigger with a relatively short and light trigger stroke. Approximately .5" inches of travel at little over five pounds is a short light trigger--unfortunately it is not a very good trigger compared to the "breaks like a glass rod" pull of many competitors or even compared to the long smooth trigger pull of a revolver.
Almost any study of accidents reveal that accidents occur not when one thing goes wrong, but a lot of things go wrong all at once (and usuallly without warning). For an accidental discharge with a Glock only three things need to go wrong: 1) a finger or other object (e.g., a thumbsnap, safety strap or shirt tail) needs to get inside the trigger guard; 2) the trigger "safety" must be depressed; and 3) the trigger must be pulled to the rear a very short distance (and with a relatively light weight). All of this is compounded by the fact, there are no warnings until the "bang."
Other weapons either have more things that must go wrong (e.g., an object in the trigger guard, a grip safety depressed, a manual safety depressed, and the trigger depressed--that is at least one extra thing that has to go wrong before an accident). While other weapons may have less that have to go wrong before an accident, they tend to give some warnings (e.g., a hammer moving, a cylinder rotating) and/or else have longer, stiffer trigger pull as a warning (and give the operator a little time to react).
Glock has made some compromises for the sake of ease of operations. Unfortunately, those compromises do have offsets. If you are not willing to accept those compromises, then a different weapon is more appropriate for you.
Almost any study of accidents reveal that accidents occur not when one thing goes wrong, but a lot of things go wrong all at once (and usuallly without warning). For an accidental discharge with a Glock only three things need to go wrong: 1) a finger or other object (e.g., a thumbsnap, safety strap or shirt tail) needs to get inside the trigger guard; 2) the trigger "safety" must be depressed; and 3) the trigger must be pulled to the rear a very short distance (and with a relatively light weight). All of this is compounded by the fact, there are no warnings until the "bang."
Other weapons either have more things that must go wrong (e.g., an object in the trigger guard, a grip safety depressed, a manual safety depressed, and the trigger depressed--that is at least one extra thing that has to go wrong before an accident). While other weapons may have less that have to go wrong before an accident, they tend to give some warnings (e.g., a hammer moving, a cylinder rotating) and/or else have longer, stiffer trigger pull as a warning (and give the operator a little time to react).
Glock has made some compromises for the sake of ease of operations. Unfortunately, those compromises do have offsets. If you are not willing to accept those compromises, then a different weapon is more appropriate for you.
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Boss Spearman
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Amen to that. I witnessed two LEs last summer on a 25 yard range that could not even hit the target at all, much less inside the circles. Their entire cardboard target was unmarked after they both fired at it several times.
Always used as justification for why there's no issue with the Glock.
Truth is, cops have more training, and practice more often than probably 90% of gun owners. For every enthusiast that goes to the range once a week, there's 10 gun buyers that still have half the box of ammo they bought with their new gun 5 years ago.
When I worked in a gun store, people would ask if they could buy ammuntion by the round with their new gun purchase. They didn't need a whole box. Even with fairly expensive guns.
So ignore intelligent posts like jc2's, that attempt to explain the issue, and continue to feel superior. And wonder why you're called a Kool Aid drinker.....
I agree with this, but those civs that bought that new gun, tossed it in a drawer and forgot about it aren't the same animal as those of us that carry concealed regularly. Most of us practice regularly and have had some kind of formal training, even if it's just when we got or renew our permits. But I'll be willing to bet a buck that the percentage of CCW holders that get more training than that is substantial, as quality training is addictive.
As far as how good the average beat cop is with his gun, I'm afraid today's 24 hour news networks provide all too many examples of just how good that is.
Having been an instructor as well as a cop, I would be the first to say that more and better training would be a great idea.
But I also get tired of those who have never traded rounds with someone trying to kill you judging gunfight performance. There's a lot of "legends in their own minds" on this board.
It's easy to be a hero on the air conditioned indoor range.
pangris
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The more and I shoot and train, the more I believe that Glocks should be reserved for people who shoot and train a lot, and people that have fully mastered the "booger hook of the bang switch" (that is a great phrase!!!) rule.
IMHO *most* of the people *truly* qualified to carry a Glock choose a 1911.
IMHO *most* of the people *truly* qualified to carry a Glock choose a 1911.
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Boss Spearman
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Well, I train and shoot alot, and I'll take a Glock over a 1911 any day.
In fact I recently got rid of a 1911 I had to go back to Glock. I've found no semi auto on the market more reliable.
In fact I recently got rid of a 1911 I had to go back to Glock. I've found no semi auto on the market more reliable.
jonathon
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I have a Glock 17, 2nd gen without the upgrade. 600 rounds through it so far, and absolutly no ND/AD's. I bought it 3 weeks ago. I really like it, its accurate(2-3" groups standing at 25 yards). I'm comfortable carrying it around with a loaded chamber. The way I was trained, my finger goes automatically on the frame, not the trigger(gotta love the gun saftey your dad drills in your head, eh?).
Not sure why a 1911 is any better, in a sense the saftey is just as easily manipulated with practice as the Glock's is...
If your not fine with it, get a different gun.
Not sure why a 1911 is any better, in a sense the saftey is just as easily manipulated with practice as the Glock's is...
If your not fine with it, get a different gun.
I can't help notice that alot of the folks that badmouth Glock have little or no real experience with them. I have used many firearms of varied design, and I will default to the following statement:
"To me, there is only one safety device that matters a whistle, the one between my ears."
"To me, there is only one safety device that matters a whistle, the one between my ears."
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