I hope that the .30 Super catches on

[Ascot500]

Why? - because I think it would make a very useful PCC.
I have enjoyed shooting the .30 carbine for a couple decades and I think that a lot of others would enjoy it if not for the price of admission.
M1's are priced too high for most people and the .30 super I am sure could be loaded to approximate the Carbine ballistics
With the Super you could have an accurate, 0-150 yard carbine with less blast than .223 and none of the hassles of reloading a bottle necked case
I envision many fun afternoons spent ringing steel at 100 yards for not a lot of money
What say you?

 

[Rodentman]

Am I correct in assuming that dies for the .327 FM will not work? That would be a factor for me, as well as the choice of pistols of course.

 

[Ascot500]

That's a good question. The Super has more taper than the .327: .3425-.3370 vs. .3370-.3130
Whether that is significant, I can't say

 

[clone]

I hoping other companies start making handguns. I'm not much of a s&w auto fan.

 

[RedlegRick]

Why? - because I think it would make a very useful PCC.
I have enjoyed shooting the .30 carbine for a couple decades and I think that a lot of others would enjoy it if not for the price of admission.
M1's are priced too high for most people and the .30 super I am sure could be loaded to approximate the Carbine ballistics
With the Super you could have an accurate, 0-150 yard carbine with less blast than .223 and none of the hassles of reloading a bottle necked case
I envision many fun afternoons spent ringing steel at 100 yards for not a lot of money
What say you?

It would be interesting to see if that happens, but I get the feeling it's going to be another 'great idea, bad response' rounds. Market timing is everything and it may have arrived too late.
That said, I could see it as a potential zinger in a carbine myself and the capacity potential is a benefit too.
Edited to add: Since it's touted as being meant for small frame guns, I recalled an old French novelty design that had a carbine-length upper that could be swapped out, but can't think of the name right now that would fit the bill. Might even make a nice package deal from some maker, a rifle and a pistol in one package, which may also drive sales of ammunition which in turn would influence other markers to take a risk on the round.

 

[Random 8]

Back when 7.62 Tokarev ammo was cheap....they were almost giving it away...I briefly owned an AR chambered in this caliber. It was a pure joy to shoot. A pain to clean after firing corrosive priming, but the price of ammo made it worth doing. Then the cheap ammo started drying up and I promptly sold the upper. I could see the .30 SC being a similar item...IF the popularity were to get to the point where ammo prices rivaled common handgun calibers. I don't see this happening. I think at best it will be a niche cartridge with limited options and high cost. I hope I'm wrong. I thought the 5-7 would go nowhere, but it keeps hanging on.

I wish a major manufacturer would resurrect the 7.62 Tok as a commercial round with ammo support. Probably never happen, It's a little too blasty for handguns, a little long for existing 9mm platforms, and most carbine shooters would prefer the .300 BO. Maybe a soft and magnum version in the same cartridge? Get on that engineers...good luck!

 

[someguy2800]

I agree, it would be a fun caliber in a PCC. A cmmg banshee would be great. A 9mm PCC also works great for ringing steel at 100. The wheels kind of fall off shortly after that though.

 

[Seedy Character]

Or do an AR in .30 Carbine.

Don't need another cartridge, just more arms available in existing ones.

M1Carbines are expensive. Ruger needs to make the .44 carbine, again. Then add .30 Carbine.

 

[Random 8]

Or do an AR in .30 Carbine.

Don't need another cartridge, just more arms available in existing ones.

M1Carbines are expensive. Ruger needs to make the .44 carbine, again. Then add .30 Carbine.

I'm surprised Ruger never made the Mini-14 in .30 carbine, especially back in the day when cheap surplus ammo was available. Maybe the headspace on case mouth is an issue? Feeding?

PSA currently has a .30 carbine AR pistol listed for sale, in stock. Was just googling the concept while you were typing LOL.

 

[mcb]

I hoping other companies start making handguns. I'm not much of a s&w auto fan.

I want S&W to make a new short revolver frame built around the 30 SC but I am not going to hold my breath on that one...

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

My LGS has one. It's a SW EZ 30 super. 488.00 OTD

 

[Remington1911]

I would like to see ruger make a new 44, the deerfield, deerstalker I think it once was. It would not be like the old ones, couple reasons. I doubt it would pound itself to death in short order, and it would be all plastic. No thanks.

I have a little marlin "camp" 9, such a fun little gun that existed long before every tactical tony came up with the PCC stuipdity. Another thing never to be made again.

 

[Ascot500]

Random 8: PSA has a .30 carbine AR?
I could not find it, do you have a link?

 

[Random 8]

Random 8: PSA has a .30 carbine AR?
I could not find it, do you have a link?

https://palmettostatearmory.com/inland-m30-30-carbine-ar-pistol-blk-ilmm30p.html Now listed as out of stock. They call it an "AR" but it looks like a bit of a mutt.

 

[someguy2800]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/inland-m30-30-carbine-ar-pistol-blk-ilmm30p.html Now listed as out of stock. They call it an "AR" but it looks like a bit of a mutt.

that is an M1 carbine with an AR style buffer tube and grip.

 

[gotboostvr]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/inland-m30-30-carbine-ar-pistol-blk-ilmm30p.html Now listed as out of stock. They call it an "AR" but it looks like a bit of a mutt.

It's an Inland M1 carbine, in a Sage chassis system.

 

[Remington1911]

It's an Inland M1 carbine, in a Sage chassis system.

I think you are incorrect......that was once an inland M1 carbine.......now someone needs to run over it will the bulldozer to put the poor thing out of its misery.

 

[Dave DeLaurant]

From what I've read about the .30 Super Carry, Federal designed the cartridge with pressure curve carefully optimized for short barreled concealable handguns.

No reason it wouldn't work in a PCC, but I suspect the .30 Super Carry would not provide significant ballistic advantages with the standard loadings from a carbine-length barrel. Unless of course you handload, or a specific carbine load was marketed.

That said, PCCs abound in the 9x19 which suffers from the same ballistic limitation. Lucky Gunner did an interesting video discussing this:

 

[JCooperfan1911]

.30 super I am sure could be loaded to approximate the Carbine ballistics

Yeah, no.

 

[CapnMac]

Simple answer would be to start a letter-writing campaign to Ruger to resurrect the Marlin Camp Carbine--the 9mm version ought to have the dimensions to fit 30sc (although the bolt might want some amount of delay opening on a 50K psi round).

 

[R_P_K]

I would like to see ruger make a new 44, the deerfield, deerstalker I think it once was. It would not be like the old ones, couple reasons. I doubt it would pound itself to death in short order, and it would be all plastic. No thanks.

I have a little marlin "camp" 9, such a fun little gun that existed long before every tactical tony came up with the PCC stuipdity. Another thing never to be made again.

Ruger making a PCC now, and it's better than the camp 9, though I loved them also

 

[film495]

30SC in a carbine is an interesting idea, but to what end? You can shoot the +P 9mm of your liking and I doubt you'll get similar performance from 30SC. Does 10% extra rounds in a mag really matter if you have 17 or 30 round magazines? Unless 30SC costs less, which I doubt it ever will - it is fine, interesting, but - in a carbine I don't see it doing anything unless there is some magical ballistic phenomanon I'm unaware of. In a small/medium sized handgun I think it is a particularly good idea, we'll see if it catches on.

 

[Dr T]

Arrrgh...I am beginning to feel my age. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was going to be about the 300 H&H....

 

[Remington1911]

Ruger making a PCC now, and it's better than the camp 9, though I loved them also

"Better" is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I will never own one......If by chance I was to own something along the lines of that I would do another that existed YEARS before ruger decided to dip its toe in the market. Something that has gotten fantastic reviews when everything else they make gets horrid reviews, something made by a company that is the poster child for cheap and clunky. But strange enough the people that say bad things about it are just hanging on the fringe with clear agendas to push.

Anyone guess yet? I think it looks like it should be in an 1960's planet of the apes movie.













People that own them seem to say good things about it.

 

[RedlegRick]

"Better" is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I will never own one......If by chance I was to own something along the lines of that I would do another that existed YEARS before ruger decided to dip its toe in the market. Something that has gotten fantastic reviews when everything else they make gets horrid reviews, something made by a company that is the poster child for cheap and clunky. But strange enough the people that say bad things about it are just hanging on the fringe with clear agendas to push.

Anyone guess yet? I think it looks like it should be in an 1960's planet of the apes movie.










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People that own them seem to say good things about it.

If Hi-Point did chamber them for it, which I highly doubt because of the chamber pressure, it might indeed drive demand for the caliber. Had an old style that I sent to my sister, yes, they are good little rifles indeed. Ugly is as ugly does.