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Yes that’s a great idea. Any rail suggestions?
I like the aluminum M-loc fore ends. Unlike picatinny rail fore ends they are smooth to carry and thinner to hold, plus it’s easy to mount a sling, light, bipod, etc. as you see fit.

Since my two defensive carbines came with front sights, I just used the M-loc fore ends that replace the standard fore ends. If you go without a front sight on the gas block you can install a longer free float fore end instead. :)

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I’m still waffling on what to do with this project. I am pretty well settled on a shorter range option but haven’t decided in a 14.5” in 5.56 or one of the larger calibers.

For my goal of building the upper, the cheapest option may be to get an inexpensive upper and take it apart, check everything out, and put it back together, upgrading as desired or needed.
 
I can't tell you what you need most, but if 300BO interests you and you aren't going to be running suppressed, maybe consider a cheap 7.62x39 build.

I have a PWS in x39 and while the gun is great I'm not sure about the utility of the round. Yeah, on paper it's a little stouter than the .300 Blackout but there are some practical areas where it lacks somewhat. The fact that the bore diameter is larger than American .30 cal rounds means there's surprisingly little high quality civilian/commercial ammo out there for it, and the stuff you can find is surprisingly expensive (probably due to economies of scale). Even if you're content to just blaze away with steel cased ammo, it's a lot more expensive than it was before Russian shenanigans resulted in various import bans. I can get dirty, low quality x39 steel for around $.50/round or very high quality .300 Blackout loaded with Hornady bullets for $.60/round. And there's also cheap crappy steel ammo for .300 Blackout if budget is the only consideration. In my admittedly limited experience there's only one or two companies that make x39 AR mags that are completely reliable and their mags are bit more costly than basic Pmags which work fine in any AR.

If you're building an AR I can't think of any really good arguments against going with the 5.56. It was designed around that round and we have sixty years of development. But I am really liking the .300 Blackout round a lot. Right now it's a toss-up in my mind which would be better for home defense at CQB ranges. The 77gr stuff in 5.56 has proven itself very well, but maybe the old guy bias in me feels a tad more confident in a .30 bullet like the 110gr V-Max. Certainly at the range its a fun caliber to shoot, giving a bit more tactile feedback on steel, etc. You can see the difference in momentum (not that momentum is more "real" as a measure of terminal effectiveness than KE). Bullets of 150gr or lighter seem to work just as reliably in standard mags as 5.56 does.

For HD use, and this is maybe getting a bit "out there", if you expect to have to deal with home invaders in body armor then the 5.56 will maybe have an edge in penetration. Certainly regular IIIa pistol-rated stuff will be easily perforated by all the supersonic .300 rounds one might use for HD, if you want even a slender chance of defeating Level IV plates you'll need hot 5.56 (probably out of a 20" barrel).

Basically it's dealer's choice! I'll be curious to see what you go with.
 
After looking at a couple different loads yesterday I may be going toward a SPR theme. I have a couple more loads to try but if they don’t work out I may convert my current DMR (Discount Marksman Rifle) to a shorter range version and start from scratch on another one.
 
If you're building an AR I can't think of any really good arguments against going with the 5.56. It was designed around that round and we have sixty years of development.

Eh, I’m not so sure on either of these points:

Technically, the AR-15/M16 is derivative of the AR-10 design, which was designed around the 308/7.62. In fact, the AR-15 is so closely derived from its predecessor that most of the parts of the AR-15 are directly drawn from the AR-10 design. So it’s not really apt to say the AR-15 was designed around the 5.56 - rather that the AR-10 was redesigned to employ a lighter cartridge than the 308, yielding the 5.56 and AR-15/M16.

The 5.56 has been in use for 60 years, but it certainly didn’t take that long to develop it. Not much has changed about the round since its inception. We pretty quickly realized that a faster twist with heavier bullets opened a few doors, but by and large, it hasn’t been “developing” for the vast majority of the 60 years of its use.
 
Another vote for a LW 16" or 14.5" PW build.

I am on the waiting list at a couple of places for a C7 upper to covert one of my Colt 6920's into a 723ish rifle. I just built a Dissipator with a C7 upper and used a A2 rear sight instead of the A1. That really helped improve the sight picture. It shoots really good and I love the simplicity of it. That motivated me to want to make a carbine version as well.

The whole building an AR thing never really got me until COVID came around and rifles and parts were harder to get. I built my first one during the lockdowns both to kill time and get a rifle built for a specific purpose that was unavailable to purchase off the shelf. It kind of became addicting and I curse the day I bought my first stripped lower!

Enjoy your build, keep us updated, and post some pics once it is completed.
 
Eh, I’m not so sure on either of these points:
The 5.56 has been in use for 60 years, but it certainly didn’t take that long to develop it. Not much has changed about the round since its inception. We pretty quickly realized that a faster twist with heavier bullets opened a few doors, but by and large, it hasn’t been “developing” for the vast majority of the 60 years of its use.

Perhaps I didn't phrase it clearly enough; I meant the rifle has undergone 60 years of development to tune it around the available .223/5.56 rounds. The rifle's roots are older than I am and I think I'm on pretty firm ground in say it's proven to be an accurate and reliable machine. For the truly pedantic I'll further clarify that I'm referring to the rifle known colloquially as the "AR15" as it's clear that's the rifle the OP is discussing. I seriously doubt he's willing attempt to modify his stripped lower to accept 7.62 NATO mags.;) So if we're limiting the choices to commercially available rounds that will fit that lower the 5.56 has lots going for it. Unless the OP has a specific need or desire for a straight wall case or a big bore then the logical default choice would be 5.56 especially if this is going to be budget-ish build.
 
I meant the rifle has undergone 60 years of development to tune it around the available .223/5.56 rounds.

This sure sounds great, but this isn’t true either. Our industry has modified a lot about what an AR can look like in the last decade, but there’s nothing which has really changed or “developed” about how the AR-15 operates. I’ve built, rebuilt, and repaired literally hundreds of AR’s over more than 20 years, spanning all eras of production and “development.” The gas systems, chambers, reciprocating masses, etc - the rifles are NOT “developing” or being “tuned around the available 223/5.56 rounds.”

Nobody offers the advice - “if you’re buying a Remington 700, get it in 257 Roberts, 270win, or 30-06, because there has been over 80 years of development to tune the 700 to those cartridges.” Because 1) it’s not true, and 2) it’s non-sequitur - so the advice is instead, “get a Rem 700 in whatever cartridge best suits your application.”

Bluntly - I started working on AR’s in the late 1990’s when I began a gunsmith apprenticeship, recognizing the Federal AWB was already on the books for 4 years. Also recognizing, civilian AR’s really were not common before the AWB, and most of them were in VERY basic designs - tons of A1 and A2 clones. During that era, much of our “development” was redesigning the exterior to look like a banned rifle, including banned features, but without actually satisfying the ban criteria. Also, many of us were working on meeting the increasing market desire for free-floating handguards and Adjustable Gas Blocks - my personal solution was to offer service to cut A2 sight towers and drill and tap A2 “FSB’s” to make them adjustable, or for a higher cost, I made my own AGB’s, and to service the float tube market, I had a machine shop in town making barrel nuts and I was ordering aluminum and carbon fiber tube stock, cutting to length and milling slots, essentially replicating the round float tubes on the market at the time for about 1/4 of the price at my door and 2/3 the price to the customer. We we’re doing diddly-piss to tune the rifles to the 223/5.56 round, we were tuning them to look and feel how customers wanted - on the OUTSIDE. Most of the rifles I touched during the 1998-2004 era, those which I had not built myself, were repair or rebuild jobs for rifles from the ‘70s and ‘80s - and fast forwarding through working 2 decades on rifles spanning ~50 years out of the 60 the AR has been produced, there’s no development being made to “tune” the AR-15 to the 223/5.56 cartridge. I can swap parts made yesterday into rifles built 50+ years ago, and they’ll all run the same.

Also occurring during the ban, we saw the first instance of a SAAMI standardized non-223/5.56 “AR-15 cartridge,” and its highly popular competition, the 6.8 SPC and the 6.5 Grendel, respectively. In 5yrs prior, I had only built maybe a handful of AR’s in non-223/5.56 cartridges; in simple stuff like 17 Rem, 20 practical, or 6-223, and a few guys scratched at the 50 Beowulf, but the standardization of the 6.8 changed the market. Followed swiftly by the 204 Ruger, then the 300blk, the snowball accelerated quickly, and now we have new gas system lengths and new buffer systems which are true functional “developments” for tuning the AR design to different cartridge designs, and really weren’t driven by the 223/5.56.

So again, it sounds good, but man, you’re missing the mark with that claim.

What it sounds like to me: YOU believe the 223/5.56 should be the default choice for the AR-15, because YOU see the AR-15 through a narrow lens of purpose. But maybe you might consider - we’ve been redesigning the AR-15 for at least 24 years to be more versatile (inception of the wildcat 50 Beowulf) than the 223/5.56 because the consumer market WANTS more than 223/5.56, and an entire class of 2.3” cartridges has evolved in that time to meet those market desires. No other firearm has successfully defined a cartridge class derived specifically for its use in modern history. This ain’t 1914 and you ain’t Henry Ford, and AR-15 customers have known for a couple decades now that they aren’t stuck buying an AR “in any cartridge they like, as long as it’s 5.56/223.”
 
Have it you way, bud. The OP can choose whatever round he wants and probably did already. I think you don't really understand the point of this thread but you do you.
 
Here’s the plan at this point. I’m leaning toward a SPR type build in function but not necessarily form. I want something that will repeatably shoot 69-77 grain bullets better than what I have right now. I’m leaning toward a Roscoe barrel, gas block, and BCG. I’ll probably go with the BCM upper from the LGS. If I use their upper, would I be locked into their rail too?
 
I’ll probably go with the BCM upper from the LGS. If I use their upper, would I be locked into their rail too?

The forged BCM uppers are just like everyone else’s forged uppers. Their site photo right now shows the broken AH of Anchor Harvey forge - which is about as common as it gets for forged uppers (Square for Brass Aluminum forge, Keyhole for Cerro, and the broken AH for Anchor Harvey are ridiculously common forgings). It’ll take any non-proprietary barrel nut and handguard/rail.
 
Is it advisable to stick with a single manufacturer as much as possible?
 
I’m heading toward a Frankenstein build I think. The lgs has BCM uppers. How are they?
They are excellent and a lil less expensive than other Gucci or premium tier brands. Fit and finish on mine is great, accuracy is excellent, I would like to scope it and see it's true accuracy potential but with an aimpoint 2moa dot (no magnification)I can shoot it with the sling wrapped braced against a utility pole at just a whisker under 100 yards at a 10" steel plate and put 10rds into a fist if I really steady between shots, that's really good for me at least.

The 16" enhanced lightweight barrel w/ 15" Mlok rail and mid length gas system makes a nicely balanced and attractive RECCE AR. Nothing bad to say about it. H buffer and (white ML) Sprinco buffer spring, Mod 0 BCM compensator makes for a really pleasant shooter with no twang and slightly softer recoil impulse. You can get a really decent enhanced single stage trigger from BCM, Geissele (ALG) or PSA for around $40 now.

I would buy BCM with confidence, they are a good brand and have good QC and customer service. I doubt if they have many rifles coming back into their shop, plus they ship fast and send you nice swag with your upper...
 
need help figuring out what to do with my $30 blemish stripped lower. My options are ... 1. Build a 300 BO rifle ... 2. Build a 300 BO Pistol ... 3. Build an M4 14.5”-16” barreled copy.

I already have a 16” DMR style and a 20” M16 A4gery for shooting with iron sights, which I find more enjoyable and challenging.
55 grain FMJ in hand load form or factory and anything under 3 MOA would be acceptable and under 2 MOA would be outstanding.
18" .223 Wylde 1:8 twist barrel will do better than 2 MOA with 55 gr FMJ. Mine shoots around 1 MOA with factory Remington 55 gr FMJ.

9mm is actually an option I hadn’t considered. That would certainly make for cheap shooting.
If you want cheap shooting, have you considered dedicated 22LR upper with 1:16 twist more suitable for accuracy of sub 3/4" at 50 yards? BCA has complete 16" heavy barrel upper with 15" M-Lok for $280 - https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/22...el-1-16-twist-15-mlok-scg2-nrail-branded.html

And if you considered .300 BLK and want cheap shooting, consider 350 Legend that could use 147 gr 9mm bullets. Way more cheaper than using .308 projectiles. BCA has complete 350 Legend uppers starting at $315 - https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/gu.../350-legend.html?product_list_order=price_asc

I’m heading toward a Frankenstein build I think. I’m still waffling on what to do with this project.
Nice thing about AR platform is the flexible modularity. Pop two pins and you can put 22LR/9mm/.223 Wylde/5.56/.300 BLK/350 Legend uppers. Get multi caliber uppers to shoot whatever you feel like that day.

Here’s the plan at this point. I’m leaning toward a SPR type build in function but not necessarily form. I want something that will repeatably shoot 69-77 grain bullets better than what I have right now.
18" .223 Wylde with 1:8 twist (I prefer mid-length gas tube and heavy barrel to reduce effects of barrel warm up) should work well with 69-77 gr bullets (Also for 75 gr).

For my goal of building the upper, the cheapest option
BCA has 18" .223 Wylde 1:8 heavy barrel dual charging complete upper with mid-length gas tube and 15" M-Lok for $275 - https://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/22...y-1-8-twist-mid-15-rail-dual-nrail-upper.html

Is it advisable to stick with a single manufacturer as much as possible?
No. Especially for "cheap" Franken-AR.
 
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I really don’t use my 300blk for much. I shoot more 9mm and .22 LR than 300. I would probably built a longer barreled .223 before I put together another 300 and I’m not even sure how many .223 AR’s I have already.
 
Still haven't decided on caliber, but I kept up with the blemish theme and will pair the lower with a BCM Factory Demo/Scratch stripped upper. We'll see how it goes once it gets here. I'm slowly piecing together bits as I find them and will assemble them when I get enough to make it worth the time.
 
Still haven't decided on caliber, but I kept up with the blemish theme and will pair the lower with a BCM Factory Demo/Scratch stripped upper. We'll see how it goes once it gets here. I'm slowly piecing together bits as I find them and will assemble them when I get enough to make it worth the time.
And in the meantime you are deciding on the caliber, you could be plinking with 22LR upper. ;)
 
Editing my post after re-reading this thread...

It sounds like you're kind of homing in on a 16 inch "accuracy" build. My honest question is, how will that be different than your current 16 inch DMR?
 
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I’ve pretty well decided with about 90% certainty I’ll stick to 223/5.56 and go with a SPR/DMR type role and an 18” or even 20” barrel. A 16” is ok too but the most common barrels for this type of rifle are 18”. The difference is hopefully this one will be more accurate. The current one will shoot sub-MOA three and four shot groups pretty regularly but it wasn’t built for that and if the shot count goes up the group size increases by about double. That could be my hand loading ability or lack thereof, but not all of it. I’m not at all unhappy with it but an upgrade is in order I think.

While I’m mostly sticking to the blem theme, I’m willing to part with that in a few things like the barrel and an upgraded charging handle and safety (ambidextrous). If that works out, I’ll switch the current 16” version over to a red dot and MBUS sights.
 
BCM upper arrived. I see a couple scratches and some aluminum black around the roll pin for the forward assist. Other than that, no issues. It fits tight with the PSA lower. They already installed the dust cover and forward assist. I thought they’d come in a kit like form. No complaints though. It also came with a note to use a heat gun when putting the barrel on, as the channel may be tight enough to need it. That seems normal for their uppers from what I can tell? Since it was sold as a blem/scratch/demo it doesn’t have any markings other than T marks on the rail.
 
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