i thought i wanted a .308.

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I prefer the 308 because of the varity of bullets.
the 270 is ok, got one of those too, but the 308 always goes
when I want to shoot something
 
I have all 3 and like all 3... you really won't notice much of a difference on meat in the 300 yd range your looking at. My current fascination is with my Winchester 70 in .270, largely because it has been exhibiting the kind of accuracy that makes you break out into fits of maniacal cackling at the range.
 
In a rifle with both short action and long action options, the .308 and 7mm/08 are short vs the long action .30-06. So you maybe have the theoretical accuracy advantage to the .308 family of cartridges. The .308 is a little more efficient if you reload (more velocity per grain of powder) vs the '06.

Any way you go this is a great time in history to be looking for a new rifle!
 
Well there really isn't anyone here who will make up your mind for you. We can all throw out what we prefer, and why, but that really isn't going to matter when your the one spending the money.

As for the criteria you mention, every one of the already mentioned calibers will do all of that. Now your not going to find a ton of match grade bullets in .277" as mentioned, but I didn't see where you mentioned setting up for formal competition anyway. With some work and tweaking most rifles can be made to shoot nice groups, and with proper bullet selection most can be used on just about anything in the woods of the lower 48 within reason.

I might seem a bit biased having four '06's in the safe, but they are in the company of a couple .243's, a couple of 25-06's, a 6.5x55, .270, .280, a couple of 7 mags, a .308, and a few others. I have hunted and cleanly taken whitetail, and mule deer, a cow elk, plenty of feral hogs and a whole bunch of coyotes with the mix and never felt under gunned. I have used all of those mentioned above to reach out to 400yds on deer or hogs and everything went into the freezer shortly after. Were they the absolute right tool for the job, probably not, but they all shoot nice 1" or less groups at one and two hundred yards, and I have always felt confident when I made the shot it was going to hit where I wanted it to. To be honest the one I haul out with me the most is my .308. Not because it is more accurate, or hit harder than any of the others, but because it only weighs 6.5 pounds, and is only about 36" long tip to tip. It doesn't sport a match grade barrel or a fancy delicate trigger, but it works and works well even out to the 350+ yards you mentioned, using standard off the shelf Remington 150gr Core Lokt ammo. With the short 16.5" barrel it is a far cry from what most would feel comfortable with, but it slides through the thickest woods cradled in the crook of my arm. It never snags and being so compact and being topped with the 1.5 x 6 power scope, it makes getting multiple shots on hogs running through the brush almost effortless.

When I look at picking up something new, I always price out the components first as well as look to see what available weights the bullets might come in and what the manuals have for listed loads. I very rarely if ever purchase factory ammo except when I purchase a new to me caliber, and those are simply to use as reference to what my loads should be doing. Another thing I do is look to see if I already have brass which can be used for the new rifle as well. As in the case of the .308, I can in a pinch use it for my .243's. Also if I finally decide to purchase a .260, I can use it for those as well. If I want to sit and over look my back pasture though, I like having the 7mm STW atop my Harris bi-pod. Hard to argue with sending a 150gr or higher weight bullet out at 3250fps and grouping around 3/4" at 200yds. For 200 - 500yds it simply rocks, but up close and personal it is a bit much.

With the '06 brass, in a pinch I can use it for not only my .25-06, but also the .270, and .280. Granted it might not be the best choice, but it is plenty easy to come by as range pick up, and it doesn't take much effort to convert it.

If you don't handload, and your buying factory, I would look to see what is mostly available in your area or that you can afford to order. In recent years the cost per box of premium ammo has gone through the roof, and there isn't any way I could see myself buying 20 rounds for more than $25 of anything. Especially when I can load those same 20, for around half or less, and kill my deer, hogs, or anything else just as quick and dead, just as far as with the high dollar stuff.

My suggestion is to go out and find a rifle you like, one that fits you well, has the right curves, looks and feel, then worry about the caliber.

Picking a firearm out is like picking out a date for the prom, there are a ton of good choices, but everyone has their own idea of which one is right for them.
 
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I agree that either caliber would be a good choice I think you will find a better bullets selection in the 30 caliber (.308 or 30-06).
 
I am partial to the .308; again as with the 1911 and AR platform, I was teamed with a model 70 and a 4 x 12 Burris in .308 as an Army sniper at the end of the Vietnam conflict (no, I never needed to use the shooting skills on another solider - as an older man, I am glad of that). When I ETSed, I had had a stomach full of the military stuff; 40 years later, I own 1911's, an AR and a .308 sometimes to my own dismay. The .308 is an oldy but remains a performer; once I learned the .308 round in school, I made shots that I thought were impossible. I am not familiar with the other calibers mentioned (I am sure they will all do the job) however, my experience with the .308 is extremely favorable. Good luck with your choice.
 
The .270 Winchester never failed me, nor did the .30-06 Springfield. I do not have a .308 Winchester yet, and quite frankly, I do not feel the need for one because I already own the first two! My budget is limited. These calibers are so close in real world performance on game in hunting situations that it is hard to argue one really is better than another. Maybe the .270 is better if you look only at the numbers for longer range hunting, but I know I am not that good a shooter as to take advantage of such a small difference at such a distance.
However, to help you decide, what was stated about the .30 calibers by others regarding match grade bullets and surplus availability due to military usage might be taken into consideration, while on the opposite, some might desire a caliber not used for military purposes as they are not allowed everywhere. So, if you plan to travel a lot for hunting, that might make a difference to you. I know it does not make any to me as my target practice will not be done with the .270, which is complicated to disassemble for cleaning, and I do not plan on bringing the .30-06 elsewhere than my own country or the nearby gun friendly USA.
The rifles from which these bullets come out will however make a real difference. My .270 is a semi and does not kick so much. The .30-06, well, is different. It is a pump action. It kicks harder because of the rifle's design. I know because I can compare: my father has the same rifle as my .270 in .30-06, and they are just about the same to shoot. My own pump .30-06 kicks harder than both semis.
So, while .308 and .270 would most likely be equally good for what you plan, you can always think of other considerations regarding the choice of your caliber than its killing capability. If none of the criteria discussed here apply, you might lean towards the .308 with regards to its shorter action, which I would personally prefer on a bolt action rifle such as the one you mentioned.
Good luck with your hunt!
 
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Have both. Like both. Same applications. Discussions of differing performance on game are largely academic.

The huge variety of bullets available for the reloader give each a wide range of application.

If you are concerned about the availability and cost of factory ammo, go with the 308.

Since I prefer a short action on a compact platform (as in 20" barrel or shorter), I tend to use the 308 a bit more.
 
In the same weight bullets the 270 does not shoot much if any flatter or faster than the 30-06. Also close with the .308. Both the 30-06 and .308 have been outstanding long range competition and sniper cartridges. The .270 has a reputation of lacking long range accuracy and has never won a national competition.
All three are top notch deer cartridges out to 400 yards with similar proformance. There really isn't much difference in any of them and the .270 does shoot a little flatter with much lighter bullets. Then you might as well go .25-06.
 
I agree, the 270 is a good round but does not out shoot the 30-06 or .308 either.

If you don't want a 30-06 you might not want a 270 either since the action is the same length. If you don't like the 30-06 (and I can't guess why) I would go with the .308 over the .270. (IMO of course)

If you don't want a 30-06, I can't imagine why you'd want a .270. Like said above, they both use a long action rifle. The cases are the same, except for the neck diameter. .270 is basically a necked-down 30-06, just as a 7mm-08 is a necked-down .308, and those cases use a short action rifle.

Either one will be fine, the -06 has the advantage if you want bullets heavier than 178 grains; you'll pay more for .270 and 30-06 ammo than you'll pay for .308 or 7mm-08.

I've got two .308's, a semi-auto (M1A) and a bolt action. Both are quite capable past 500 yards with 168-175 grain bullets. If I were to choose a different caliber than the .308, I'd go with the 7mm-08. Very flat shooting rifle, an excellent and accurate long range gun.
 
If you hunt in thicker cover, I'd go with the .308. The .270 is normally barreled at 24+ inches so it can burn all that extra powder and maintain velocity for the cartridge. The .308 can run with the barrel as short as 18" without becoming inefficient or increasing muzzle blast and flash.
 
I'm a big fan of .270 win but for the range your talking, these guys are right. A plethora of 30 cal bullets are available and .277 bullets are in shorter supply in the target variety. The 270 has more potential but it has not been realized yet due to bullet availability.
 
I've been reading that .270 shoots faster, further, straighter, and harder than the 308.

You could make the same argument about the 300 Win mag over the 270, but that doesn't mean it's a "better" cartridge.

For what you have in mind, the 308, 270, 280, 25-06, 30-06, 7mm/08, and a dozen other cartridges would all do quite well. I like the 308 for some of the reasons others have pointed out, great accuracy, ability to use short action length, and the wide variety of reloading components as well as factory ammo.
 
In comparing different diameters of bullets, 0.277 (270) and 0.308 (308, 30-06, etc), I think that the correct point of comparison is the sectional density, not the bullet weight.

Sectional density and bullet construction are the key parameters determining performance on game.

You should also note that where you can compare similar cartridge cases (e.g. 7-08 and 308), using the same bullet weight and powder that a given weight of powder charge will drive the larger diameter bullet faster than the smaller diameter bullet.
 
I don't want to get too off topic here but can someone correct me if I'm wrong please--does the 270 WSM cartridge exist or am I incorrect? I remember a few years ago considering buying a 270 rifle but I thought it was a 270 WSM rifle. Perhaps I'm remembering this wrong? Or is the 270 and the 270 WSM the same cartridge?
 
There are no hogs or deer that won't be killed by either cartridge. If you're shooting hogs at over 100 yards, it's new terrain to me. If you're shooting at deer at over 300 yards, you're most likely shooting at them rather than shooting them. Either 270 or 308 will serve you equally well.
 
Inside 300 yards, there is no practical difference between these three cartridges.

However:

When you decide to stretch it out past 300 yards into long range territory, the .270 begins to lag behind both the .30-"06 and .308. And since you don't want an "-06, the choice is .308.

But if you're confident that you're going to be sticking with a 300 yard limit, buy whatever combination of rifle and glass makes you happy and shoot the ever-loving snot out of it.
 
Fella's;

I seem to remember a .270WSM also. However, I believe it's in Mercy General on life support at this time. To my mind the 7mmWSM & .300WSM were the best of the series & the only two that needed to have been released. But that's the subject of another thread.

900F
 
300 yards is medium range, not long. Drops and drifts on all the cartridges available in that American rifle are very similar. I'd go with the 7mm08 as the best balance of pros and cons among them all.
 
Well, at 1,000 yard target competition over the last 100 years, the 30-06 and later .308 have taken home more trophies then you could fit in Donald Trumps biggest building.

Not so much the .270.

The .270 does shoot a little flatter at normal hunting range out to 400 yards.

But truly outstanding long range match bullets or ammo in that caliber are fewer and further between on the shelves.

BTW: Whoever wrote that a .270 shoots 'straighter or harder' then a 30-06 or .308 had his hat on too tight, for too long, and it cut off the blood supply to his brain.

rc
there are 270 bullets with a .7 something BC and will shoot flatter the 06 or 308
 
When you decide to stretch it out past 300 yards into long range territory, the .270 begins to lag behind both the .30-"06 and .308. And since you don't want an "-06, the choice is .308.

How exactly does the .270 lag behind the 30-06, and especially the .308 at ranges beyond 300 yds on medium game? 130 gr .277 hunting bullets have similar SD and BC to 165 gr .308 hunting bullets, the main difference is that the 270 starts them off about 100 fps faster than a stiff 30-06 load, and over 200 fps faster than a stiff .308 load. Once you get up to heavier bullet weights, the trajectory gap between the .270 and .308 widens. The 30-06 hangs with the .270 better in this aspect, but all shooters may not need the advantage in bullet weight and power that the 30-06 gives, especially since it comes at the cost of recoil.
 
This probably won't help you...but there isn't enough difference between any of these cartridges to say so. The cartridge you end up with, will probably depend on the rifle you're shooting it from.

I own, have access to, or have fired rifles that use all 3 of these cartridges, and for what it's worth, the lightest recoil to the worst I have shot, in order are .30-06 in an M1 Garand, .270 in a Remington 7400, and .308 in an FN-FAL.

So I guess my two cents is, if you don't want a .30-06, you REALLY don't want the other two cartridges.
 
I have both and for years hunted MO. white tails with a win 88 in 308. I retired the 88 and ended up with a rem 700 in 270. The difference I've noticed is the 270 shoots a lot flatter but it dosen't drop the deer like the 308 did. I used a 165 grain bt in the 308 at 2500 fps. In the 270 I'm using a 140 gr hp. at 3000 fps. I like both rounds but where I'm hunting I can take shots from 50 to 300 yds so the flatter shooting 270 is definitely an asset.
 
Wow, this is a loaded thread if there ever was one! I don't think there are three cartridges more capable of inspiring a debate, than .308, .270, and the 30-06 are capable of.

The .308 has no doubt made a name for it's self with range competitions, above and beyond all others. However, it wouldn't be my first, or even a second choice if the quarry were elk, bear, moose, or caribou, though some would disagree. I have a great deal of respect for the .308 win., but I personally feel it is more appropriately within it's element at 1000 yd. competitions, rather than the hunting field.

That said, I'm a .270 guy and have killed deer, elk, antelope, oryx, black bear and everything in between with that cartridge. But, I have also killed most of the above, including elk, with a 30-06. BTW, the .270 cartridge is a necked down 30-06. One can easily expect 3100+ fps with a 130 gr. bullet from the .270 win. with a case full of slow burning powder, and with the right powder, 3000 fps with a 150 gr. projectile can still be accomplished.

As for the 30-06, I load and hunt with one, and several other cartridges as well. I would doubt there is any cartridge more versatile than the 30-06, considering the .308" bullet line up is simply immense, but this is an aspect that is shared by many other cartridges that utilize a .308" bullet, including the .308 win.. IMO, the 06 is at it's best when stuffed full of slow burning powder with a 165 gr. projectile. Coupled with velocities ranging at 3000+ fps, it's a very accurate and effective cartridge. Though it may not be my first choice, there isn't an animal in North America that I would feel under gunned using an "06".

GS
 
The 308 loaded with some 230gr full power hand loads is more than enough for any animal around here(or anywhere).

But if you really need speed than go for a big boy like the 300RUM More speed than the 270 and more weight but of course more money per shot.
 
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