If your state passed new terrible gun laws, would you move or stay and fight?

[mjw930]

I'd stay and fight.

Being in FL that's easier for me to say since we aren't confronted with nearly as much madness as others. With that said, I can't imagine uprooting my family, losing money on my property (yes, I'm another one of those idiots who's upside down in my house) and possibly having to find another job over gun legislation. My life does not revolve around my guns.

 

[clutch]

I'm in Michigan. We have been going the right way. Maybe it has something to do with Detroit and Flint dying and their inhabitants running away to another state that is likely already on its way to ruin now.

I'm staying here. Everyone I care about is inside a 35 mile circle.

I'm 0 to 20 years from dying at this point. From my cold dead hands after I emptied my wallet trying to keep correct thinking legislators in office if it comes to it.

I'm staying. I'll fight if it comes to it. If it comes to it, the game is almost over so why not. Nothing left to lose.

Clutch

 

[SHR970]

I've been fighting that fight for over 20 years. Why should I change now? I grew up here and watched this state get taken over by southern and rust belt liberals.

Most of you have no idea how your "come move to a free state" credo can be your undoing. If 10% of my COUNTY moved into any of half of the states you would turn from red to blue.

Sentiments provided from Los Angeles County California. A county where we have more people than 42 of the STATES. Be careful what you ask for. I would rather 20% of the pro 2A from other solid blue states move here and help us take back this place and its 55 electoral votes (or at least put them in play).

 

[Alaska444]

I'm in Michigan. We have been going the right way. Maybe it has something to do with Detroit and Flint dying and their inhabitants running away to another state that is likely already on its way to ruin now.

I'm staying here. Everyone I care about is inside a 35 mile circle.

I'm 0 to 20 years from dying at this point. From my cold dead hands after I emptied my wallet trying to keep correct thinking legislators in office if it comes to it.

I'm staying. I'll fight if it comes to it. If it comes to it, the game is almost over so why not. Nothing left to lose.

Clutch

I wish you luck my friend. I am about in your age range as well, nearly 55 anyway and I am already on dialysis. I lived in CA for 20 years to be near my son after my first marriage dissolved, but now there is nothing to keep me here any longer.

I am glad we did not settle on Colorado which was our original plan. Idaho is a great fit.

The bottom line as you point out is where your family is. I am sure the Lord will keep you in all ways where you take your stand. The bottom line is that if we lose at the Federal level, we all lose no matter which state we live.

Best wishes,

Alaska

 

[sleepyone]

Most of you have no idea how your "come move to a free state" credo can be your undoing.

That is exactly why you don't see me jumping up and down to invite you to move to Texas. While I feel badly for fellow 2A supporters who live in states that are not pro 2A, I also know that demographics change drastically when large groups of people move from one state or region to another. I remember in the 70s and 80s when we had a HUGE influx of Yankees to Texas as corporations relocated to the Dallas/Fort Worth and other large cities in Texas. It forever changed the state. Some changes were good, but from my perspective, there were more cons than pros. Most recently, we had a huge migration of Californians to Texas. I have come to know several families and I can tell you they left for fiscal reasons not for RKBA reasons. They are shocked by the hunting and gun culture. They are not hostile to it, but they certainly don't understand it. I'm trying to educate them. These people are voters and have kids who will become voters. Time will tell whether this mass exodus from California will be a good thing or a bad thing. So far I am not encouraged.

 

[justice06rr]

This is an easy "Yes" for me to move if my state passed some BS gun laws. It may not be so easy for others with families and other ties.


My situation is actually backwards; I initially have been wanting to move out of my home state either to NY or CA. In short, that is not happening. I still like to visit though.

 

[Alaska444]

That is exactly why you don't see me jumping up and down to invite you to move to Texas. While I feel badly for fellow 2A supporters who live in states that are not pro 2A, I also know that demographics change drastically when large groups of people move from one state or region to another. I remember in the 70s and 80s when we had a HUGE influx of Yankees to Texas as corporations relocated to the Dallas/Fort Worth and other large cities in Texas. It forever changed the state. Some changes were good, but from my perspective, there were more cons than pros. Most recently, we had a huge migration of Californians to Texas. I have come to know several families and I can tell you they left for fiscal reasons not for RKBA reasons. They are shocked by the hunting and gun culture. They are not hostile to it, but they certainly don't understand it. I'm trying to educate them. These people are voters and have kids who will become voters. Time will tell whether this mass exodus from California will be a good thing or a bad thing. So far I am not encouraged.

Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states. Shucks, Colorado was once such a state wasn't it. I don't think anything happens by accident.

 

[AlbertH]

Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states. Shucks, Colorado was once such a state wasn't it. I don't think anything happens by accident.

The big question is, will those states that are seeing the big influx be able to continue to provide the necessary public services without increasing taxes on its senior citizens. My wife and I are not only leaving because of the climate but also the taxes, overall cost of living, and the Governors decision to shift more taxes onto fixed income seniors.

While yes the conservative south seems to be more retiree friendly, due to their lower taxes, and cost of living, will they be able to sustain the public services they provide without changing the tax structure due to their increasing senior population????????? We hope so, but only time will tell.

We have decided to live somewhere along the Southern Tennessee line somewhere between the Atlantic and the Mississippi, both north and south a bit. I am slowly ruling out areas and states. We still have a 5 year plan but are taking a trip south in search of our desired location in the spring. We will then purchase some land and once we get closer to her retirement, use the collateral in our current residence to have a home built and then sell our current residence and move.

BTW, We don't need a big home since we have comfortably lived in a 1200 sq ft house for many a year.

 

[Sav .250]

Every day is a challenge. Decisions are made every day that affect us in one way or another. Some good Some bad. Do you move every time something happens you don`t like? Of course not.

Look at the countries that have laws where no guns are allowed, did all those folks move? Of course not.
It`s one thing to lead the village people with torches quite another to re-locate family,
get a new job, just plain ,start over because you don`t like what`s happening.


Hope there are enough truck rentals available at the time of need .

 

[tomrkba]

A few days ago I joined 7,000 other peaceful, law-abiding citizens in Albany, none of whom are inclined to move, to tell Cuomo and his henchmen what we think of their newly and hastily-adopted legislation. We're all outraged, but not one is willing to pack up and leave.

You're not going to win, especially against NYC's millions. Only 7,000 showed up out of hundreds of thousands of gun owners in New York. 100k would have been a much different statement. The government no longer exists to protect the rights of citizens (if it ever did despite good intentions). Frankly, in order to win in New York, threats of violence or actual violence will likely be necessary. Most, and enough, people won't contemplate that or even act. At this point in our history, I think its better to move and help form a coalition of states that honor the right to keep and bear arms. If the state does not want gun owners, then oblige them and let everyone else rot. They deserve the consequences.

Would I move? Yes, but I'd have to prepare for it. I am not sure how such a thing would work considering the current real estate situation.

 

[longknife12]

At the moment, looking at Wyoming,Oklahoma and Texas. This place has gone too far left for my comfort!
Dan

As to stand and fight....been doing that actively!

 

[mljdeckard]

I do reflect from time to time that I am fortunate to live in the state with (almost) the best gun laws in the country to begin with. It will keep me here in spite of very alluring reasons to move.

 

[Bill4282]

Best place to live - East Tennessee near VA line. TN has no income tax, reasonable real estate prices, good hospitals. Folks drive 15 minutes to VA to buy groceries because they have a low sales tax. Shall issue handgun permit, no registration, no FOID.both House and Senate and Governor are Republican.

 

[Akita1]

My family is pretty fortunate as I can live almost anywhere for my job and we're not in any current financial bind so moving could be an option - those circumstances provide a luxury of courage of conviction as patriot, idealist, etc. Having said that, we're also lucky in FL that it hasn't gone off the rails yet re: RKBA, plus uprooting my wife & kids, leaving extended family behind, abandoning the life we've built, FL's cheap, etc., etc. It's a tough call for any of us no matter where we live for a myriad of both personal and professional reasons.

Toss all that in the pot, stir it a bit...and my call is to stand and fight first, then perhaps leave if it all went wrong. RKBA, shooting, hunting, etc. are collectively a big part of my life. What a lousy decision to actually have to make!

 

[Jefferson Herb]

move / fight

Actually,the aprox 30 non-intelligent gun laws are just the final motivator.
I want away from Rain,mold, more rain and the highest fuel prices in ca next to scalpers in the south;but there is'nt price fixing!!
Dry cold and snow seems to be more agreeable,along with no high winds,
I can take retirement @55,go Elk Hunting and work as req for the things I want to do. Time will tell.I also have Family there that I have'nt spent time with in yrs.

 

[JTHunter]

Alaska444 said:

After living in the desert of CA for the last 20 years, I welcome the winter snows of Idaho. Sadly, it looks like winter is almost over up here already. The snow is melted and the sun is coming out. Shucks, I won't miss that hot desert sun one little bit. Nor will I miss the politics of CA one little bit either.

You can always put on enough to stay warm.
Getting enough off to stay cool is the problem.

 

[coloradokevin]

My state is about to pass some really stupid laws, but I'm staying to fight. There's less and less of "Free America" left these days, and we can't always run from this problem... eventually it will find us again.

As my screen name implies, I'm here in Colorado, where a "high capacity" magazine ban seems imminent, along with mandatory for-fee background checks on all gun transfers (even to family, even private party sales, etc). Ten years ago no one would have EVER thought Colorado would go this direction, and I'm making it my mission to see that it doesn't, or at the very least to see if I can get any measures that are enacted reversed.

For me it is partially a philosophical issue, and partially an issue of practicality. I simply can't pull up anchor right now to move to one of the other states I'd like to live in. I'm in the middle of my career, with a job that provides good pay and benefits, and we're in an economy that doesn't hand out such jobs too easily. Although I'm opposed to the gun control laws that are looming, leaving here isn't as easy for me now as it would have been ten years ago. Such is life.

Nevertheless, I've had plans to pick up some acreage for a recreational/retirement cabin for some years now, which I had always intended to do here in Colorado. Although I'll still be residing in Colorado for the foreseeable future, I may consider purchasing land in a more friendly state (Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, or Montana, for example). At least in that case I'd have a place to retire to, and a place to store some of my goodies!

In the meantime, I'm trying to make sure that I'm well-equipped with some of the items that may prove harder to come by in the future.

 

[paradox998]

leaving NY asap

I spent my career in upstate NY. Did pretty well and have substantial assets. The passage of the NY Safe act was the last straw. I am leaving and will spend my money in a free state. Politicians need to learn that there are outcomes to attacking our 2nd Amendment rights. One more taxpayer gone. $10k a year less for them to squander.

 

[kgpcr]

I am not going to move. My 2A rights will not be infringed.Its nice i live in a state i dont have that to worry about.

 

[barnbwt]

Funny how the mass migrations are all liberal states to other areas that often have good economies which just happen to be conservative states.

Lice from a burning wig

It's (slightly) coincidental, or rather, symptomatic of demographics. Big cities breed sheltered, specialized folks who are largely ignorant of life outside their little specialized niche. Big cities also have limited opportunities once their "booms" are over. So what you get, are a massive outflux of ignorant people seeking opportunity in the unexploited hinterlands, from time to time. My parents fled nearly a half-dozen aluminum smelting plants across the whole nation as energy costs slowly rose enough to make that activity unprofitable in this country. Each time we landed on a new lily pad, we brought our old ways, tried to learn the new ones, and I'm sure ended up changing the character of the community ever so slightly. It's a cyclical convective process.

Since we can't break the migration cycle, the best we can do is try to co-opt as many newcomers as possible. Take your **** neighbors shooting, make sure they see you leaving the house with rifles or cases, show off your collections. As repressive as the state they left is, you can't really expect them to be open to the Gun Culture (read: American Culture ). And become more involved in the community (parent-teacher stuff, neighborhood watch/council, etc.).

TCB

I am not going to move. My 2A rights will not be infringed.Its nice i live in a state i dont have that to worry about.

What a wonderful land you must live in to be so carefree. Just wait until MTV comes to your town and reveals how cool and cheap it is to live there--bar the door, they'll come runnin'! I live in Texas, which is rapidly blue-shifting as I speak precisely because Austin/Dallas have become boomtowns for out of state yuppies and hipsters with money, influence, opinions, and not enough people to call them on their balogna.

 

[Dr.Rob]

Moving? I haven't decided that's something I need to do just yet.

 

[sleepyone]

What a wonderful land you must live in to be so carefree. Just wait until MTV comes to your town and reveals how cool and cheap it is to live there--bar the door, they'll come runnin'! I live in Texas, which is rapidly blue-shifting as I speak precisely because Austin/Dallas have become boomtowns for out of state yuppies and hipsters with money, influence, opinions, and not enough people to call them on their balogna.

I live in Granbury which was selected by CNN as one of four or five small towns to do live broadcasts from their town squares during the Y2K New Year's Eve celebration. I still remember that night vividly. Our town has exploded in growth since then and I can't help but wonder if that broadcast had a little to do with it. Our town square is very authentic and has been voted the best square in TX in the past by certain magazines or travel groups. Anyway, I'm sure CNN was really broadcasting from the small towns to see if everyone would pull out their guns and start shooting each other for no apparent reason if the lights all went out at midnight as was predicted by many so-called experts. They were broadcasting from the roof of an old bank building and had cameras stationed around the square. That was no mistake. They did not want to be on ground zero should all hell break loose.

 

[788Ham]

Before everyone decides to move to colorful Colorado, might check the local paper in the morning, and this next week. Sounds as if all rights for gun owners will be in the crapper, all of the folks showing up and protesting didn't phase them one iota ! The anti's were hell bent on shoving anything through they could get, add and multiply each bill as it proceeded. This used to be a very gun liberal state, all they want now is the hunter, shooters monies, they don't give a hoot in hell what anyone who has a firearm wants, "Sit down and shut up !"

 

[Grassman]

I can't see me ever moving from Texas, if it ever got that bad it would be to another country. If it ever got that bad here in Texas, I can just imagine what the rest of the country would look like.

 

[coloradokevin]

Before everyone decides to move to colorful Colorado, might check the local paper in the morning, and this next week. Sounds as if all rights for gun owners will be in the crapper, all of the folks showing up and protesting didn't phase them one iota ! The anti's were hell bent on shoving anything through they could get, add and multiply each bill as it proceeded. This used to be a very gun liberal state, all they want now is the hunter, shooters monies, they don't give a hoot in hell what anyone who has a firearm wants, "Sit down and shut up !"

Hopefully 2014 puts a wrench in the Democratic Party plans for this state!