Is anyone coming out with an AK-47 in 300 Blackout

[jason41987]

ranb... im suprising myself by actually dignifying those two statements with a response.. first off, youre not getting 500 yard range with anything supressed... second of all, that load you suggest produces only 1362 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle, ive seen 5.56mm loads over 1400

the .300 AAC blackout is for close-range supression.. its not an assault rifle cartridge and it never will be

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'm with Ramb. If you haven't fired a .300 Whispser or .300 Blackout at long range, you are not qualified to disclaim it. I have, and it does, and I'd be glad to show you. .300 subsonic users, speak up here!

 

[Girodin]

If you haven't fired a .300 Whispser or .300 Blackout at long range, you are not qualified to disclaim it

Actually, its pretty easy to punch the muzzle velocity, BC, etc into a ballistics calculator and have a pretty good idea of what the trajectory, drift, and energy of .300 BLK or any other cartridge is going to be at 500 yds or any other distance.

youre not getting 500 yard range with anything supressed...

I take it you mean sub sonic and not suppressed? I have seen lots of suppressed rifles shoot well beyond 500 yds. If you are talking subsonic then there is going to be a significant amount of drop and drift. However,I do find it interesting that one would think there is no way to correct for all that. Drop is mostly just math. Drift is IMHO the harder part as reading/correcting for wind requires more than a laser range finder.

My issue with sub sonic 300 BLK is that as of the last time I checked no one is making bullets designed for those speeds. As a result the terminal ballistics of every sub sonic 300 BLK load I've seen tested were just horrible. They were basically straight .308 holes. For subsonic shooting of a target where terminal ballistics matters I'd skip the 300 BLK with currently available bullets. A bullet designed to expand at low velocity would change that.

If one isn't going to shoot subsonics then I really don't get the 300 BLK. For supersonic shooting I find the other alternative AR cartridges more interesting. In an AK I see no reason at all to go with 300 BLK over x39 for supersonic shooting.

 

[Ranb]

ranb... im suprising myself by actually dignifying those two statements with a response..

Why are you surprised? What experience do you have with these firearms?

first off, youre not getting 500 yard range with anything supressed...

You are not making any sense at all. My suppressed 308 is good for about 800 yards, my suppressed 338unltra mag is good for over 120 yards. Both with standard loads.

My 300 whisper, 338 whisper, 510 whisper are all good for 500 yards at subsonic speeds. With a long range scope and a tilt-down mount zeroing for 500 yards is not a problem. The limitations come from a scope that has only eight to ten mil dots on the vertical axis. I have a Premier Reticles scope with 22 mil-dots on the vertical axis on my 510 whisper. I can zero it for 400 yards and hold over or under from 200 to 600 yards.

second of all, that load you suggest produces only 1362 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle, ive seen 5.56mm loads over 1400

You have seen 1400 ft-lbs out of an 18-20 inch 223 ar-15? I am not convinced.

the .300 AAC blackout is for close-range supression.. its not an assault rifle cartridge and it never will be

Why limit yourself to close range?

Ranb

 

[mortablunt]

An AK in 300 Blackout would be closest you can get to having an actual Groza. Now if some guy could give us Americans some 9x39 ammo and rifles, that'd be lovely.

Someone's actually gone and done it. It's pretty quiet for a centerfire, even unsurpressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXJRQsX-PW8

According to Wikipedia, the cartridge effective out to 200M in the 220gr subsonic loading and all the way out to 460M in the 125 supersonic loading.

Since 300blk (7.62x35) is very similar to 7.62x39, then couldn't you theoretically 300BLK in a 7.62x39 AK?