chopinbloc
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The results may shock you!
(probably not)
Part of G2's marketing pitch on the RIP was that it acted like a "buzz saw," whatever that is. I tested that claim and the results are probably not surprising, but definitely entertaining.
Is G2 RIP like a "buzz saw"?
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The results may shock you!
(probably not)
Part of G2's marketing pitch on the RIP was that it acted like a "buzz saw," whatever that is. I tested that claim and the results are probably not surprising, but definitely entertaining.
Kendal Black
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The buzz saw claim is preposterous. For, while the bullet is rotating rapidly, it is also moving rapidly forward. If fired from a 1 in 16 barrel, it will move forward 16 inches during each revolution. That is not sufficient rotation to impart a sawing or drilling effect. It will not even manage a full revolution in 12 inches of penetration.
entropy
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What, no poll??? 
Love the elevator muzak when you're using the circular saw.......
Love the elevator muzak when you're using the circular saw.......
Sigh!
Leave it to someone to come along and introduce something like science, physics or even algebra to all the marketing hype. Seriously, Kendal Black, I commend you on getting everyone to focus on the reality rather than the Hollywood fiction.
MachIVshooter
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I think this is a "buzz saw"
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Considering it split that board along the grain they should change their marketing to "Rip Saw". When they come out with cross cut saw, router, and jointer loads, I'll build a cabinet.
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Looks like almost 3 seconds to me and I have not had my coffee so those are slow seconds
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chopinbloc
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That would be magical. Shoot a mag or two into a pile of wood and BANG! you have a book shelf.
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chopinbloc
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lol
wally
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Great video demonstration of "aliasing" at about 3:49 where your circular saw seems to reverse direction while cutting the gelatin
Of all the gimmick ammo, I think RIP is the best. It at least has the center section that gets 12+" penetration. The problem is that, the fragments going 5" look great on Gel and would be very effective if they could actually go 4-5" in human tissue. But they can't, humans have very tough skin, followed by ribs or sternum. The fragments can't get past the ribs, never mind punch through an intervening arm/wrist first. So, all you are left with in reality is the little 40-50g base that makes it 12-13" deep.
If they could come up with a delayed fragmenting design where it can punch through skin/bone, then fragment, they'd have something.
If they could come up with a delayed fragmenting design where it can punch through skin/bone, then fragment, they'd have something.
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chopinbloc
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Although it's anecdotal, a coroner posted on the thread I started on another forum.
"I've got a single case of RIP G2 vs an actual human. Skinny guy, about 120lb, shot just behind the shoulder with the .40 version.
Entrance defect in the skin had the "gear wheel" outline (similar to a BFL) that you'd expect. The bullet started expanding on its way through the chest wall, left a 1.5 inch hole as it entered the pleural cavity. The 8 trocars broke off, making 9 seperate pathways through the lung, with a spread of about 2.75 inches.
The base and one trocar managed to exit his skinny chest; the other 7 either embedded themselves into the inner surface of the sternum or stopped in the muscle of the chest wall under the skin. The total penetration of those trocars was 8 inches."
"I've got a single case of RIP G2 vs an actual human. Skinny guy, about 120lb, shot just behind the shoulder with the .40 version.
Entrance defect in the skin had the "gear wheel" outline (similar to a BFL) that you'd expect. The bullet started expanding on its way through the chest wall, left a 1.5 inch hole as it entered the pleural cavity. The 8 trocars broke off, making 9 seperate pathways through the lung, with a spread of about 2.75 inches.
The base and one trocar managed to exit his skinny chest; the other 7 either embedded themselves into the inner surface of the sternum or stopped in the muscle of the chest wall under the skin. The total penetration of those trocars was 8 inches."
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It'd be interesting to know how the ''skinny guy'' behaved after being shot with this round; that is, how long it took before incapacitation occurred, what actions he was able to complete after being shot, etc.
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I would think it'd be similar to having a 9mm x 2.75" conical volume scooped out by any other method. Not great? Sounds like the shooter was lucky the round didn't hit the shoulder blade though, if a few inches of spongy lung tissue slowed the pieces enough for them to come to rest against the pectoral wall on the far side. Probably would've just 'exploded' all those petals off into random shallow wound paths leaving the little BB core to continue on with an 'ice pick' wound track.
Probably would have still gotten the point across, though
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He said the "victim" ran about 50 yards before collapsing.
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chopinbloc
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Except M193 is, you know, rifle ammo.
Oh yes, I know..I'm just saying that similar fantastic claims were made for the 193 round in Vietnam, but never quite lived up to the hype..
Steve Cover
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I'm going to buy a box or two if I can find them.
I seriously doubt that they will be in production very long.
A few years down the road they may be semi valuable as collector items.
How much is a Jyrojet projectile going for these days?
As far as a defensive round goes, I'll pass.
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I seriously doubt that they will be in production very long.
A few years down the road they may be semi valuable as collector items.
How much is a Jyrojet projectile going for these days?
As far as a defensive round goes, I'll pass.
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Saw some at Gander Mountain yesterday. Remembering this post made me laugh as I walked by the display.
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Laughed at how you put the word 'victim' in quotes....Ain't that the truth?!?!
50 yards? Well, thinking about it like this: If the "victim"
(still chuckling at that) ran at a speed of 15 mph (about the fastest most folks can run) which works out to about 22 feet per second, that means that our "skinny guy" remained up and functional and capable of performing intentional, possibly deadly, actions for about 6.8 seconds after being hit by the round. Well, at least he did not use that remaining time to do anything more than 'turn chicken'. 
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