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Hello All,

Like many of you I am running out of supplies with no relief in sight so I'm digging around and trying to conjure up something useful with what is remaining.

I have 500 rounds of mixed headstamp 9mm and 1LB of TiteGroup so I prepped and primed the cases with CCI 550 magnum primers which is what I have left and I have some 115gr JHP RN projectiles from Everglades.

These are the ingredients I have to work with and I would like to combine them into a fairly hot load in case things gets unruly in the coming days. Consensus is that TiteGroup is a hot powder and that combined with the 550 primers could make things interesting. It is a narrow road made narrower.

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Happy New Year to all.

-Steve
 
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You have what you have but Titegroup and "hot loads" are not a good idea IMO.

I always prefer to err on the side of caution.
Different bullet but Hodgdons data for a 115
115 GR. SPR GDHP Hodgdon Titegroup .355" 1.125" 4.5 1135 29,500 CUP 4.8 1158 30,500 CUP
Start 4.5 MAX 4.8
Lyman Different 115 @ 1.09 OAL
Start 4.0 vel 1046 MAX 4.5 vel 1119
Different bullets but
Notice Hodgdon Start at the longer OAL is Lymans MAX at the shorter OAL,

Of course it depends on the bullet but 1100 fps is generally enough to get hollow points that are designed to expand to open up. (assuming they are a good well designed hollow point)
For example if you look here
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm
some bullets worked as intended some did not.
If it was me given what you have I would not try to push vels and aim for a middle of the range load, you want the gun to go bang in the correct way.

First you need to plunk test in your gun to come up with how long an OAL that will function.
Then load a tiny bit say .01 shorter than that.
If you get a working OAL and post it that might help others help you.
I haven't used a lot of Titegroup as I don't care for it, (lots of people like it, but usually for target loads not "hot" loads)
So depending on your OAL I would be tempted to start at a little lower than 4.0gr due to the mag primers and work my way up a bit, if you had a chrono it would help, but without a chrono I would probably quit around 4.2-4.3 gr.
(4.3 might be way low for your combo or it might be too much, problem with Titegroup is it is not happy when pushed and it has a narrow range)
[note above based on load data not my own use]
If I wanted to load 9mm for a Zombie attack Titegroup is probably about the last powder I would chose, if that is your goal it really might be worth trying to find a lb of something slower, Unique, PowerPistol, BE86, CFE-P, WSF, HS-6 Silhouette, N340, N350, AA#5, AA#7 lots of things...

Powder is out there, to bad I can't say the same about primers.
 
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Just for grins I loaded 10 rounds with 4.4g of TiteGroup. 1.140 passed the plunk test so I seated them just shy of that. Getting too late to disturb the neighbors here so I'll give them a try tomorrow. Thanks again for the help.
 
I have loaded and shot TiteGroup in 9mm with success. Never with magnum primers but reduce powder by at least a tenth you should be ok. By TiteGroup being "Hot" I thought it was referring to how hot the gun got temperature wise not velocity wise. I never noticed but that may be because of my range habits.
 
Middletown said:
I have loaded and shot TiteGroup in 9mm with success. Never with magnum primers but reduce powder by at least a tenth you should be ok. By TiteGroup being "Hot" I thought it was referring to how hot the gun got temperature wise not velocity wise. I never noticed but that may be because of my range habits.
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I guess by "Hot" I was referring to the fact that it is fast burning and very sensitive to small variations in the charge. Not much room for error. I hope my Lyman 55 is up to the task, I check every other drop for accuracy.
 
Middletown said:
Globalmapper, I have heard more than once that TiteGroup does make your gun hotter temperature wise than other powders. It also meters well so getting consistent charges shouldn't be a problem.

Happy reloading!
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I had not heard that and I wonder what effect that has when rapid firing through multiple mags? Has anyone ever had a cookoff in a 9MM semi? :what: It does meter well.
 
Titegroup will work ok, it's just such a fast burning powder that a full charge could easily be double or tripled. Definitely reduce to account for the mag primers, if the firearm is rated for +p it gives a little margin of error. You should be fine.
You should be able to get another powder if you need to, I recently ordered directly from hodgdons site, I had my powder in 6 days- it was sold out everywhere else.
Good luck
 
Obturation said:
Titegroup will work ok, it's just such a fast burning powder that a full charge could easily be double or tripled. Definitely reduce to account for the mag primers, if the firearm is rated for +p it gives a little margin of error. You should be fine.
You should be able to get another powder if you need to, I recently ordered directly from hodgdons site, I had my powder in 6 days- it was sold out everywhere else.
Good luck
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Have you had good luck ordering directly from Hodgdon's site? I would really like to score some 8208 XBR in addition some 9MM powder.
 
Titegroup does burn hotter, in overall temperature, but I think it would be very unlikely to have a cook off in a semi auto pistol from using it. I've run boxes of max charge 230g ball with Titegroup thru my 1911, and while it began to get rather warm in the hand, no fear of cooking off rounds. I have developed a nice load with those Everglades 115 jhp's using 6.2 grains of Power Pistol seated to 1.113 fired thru CZ75. Average velocity 1260fps with excellent accuracy.
 
earplug said:
Hot loads for social work aren't my choice. Make them reliable and avoid the kaboom.
Do you have a fully supported chamber or a unsupported chamber?
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I concur and what I meant was that I don't want to be lobbing softballs when terminal ballistics are important. These rounds will likely be running through a S&W M&P 2.0 or a SIG P365XL. Probably not through my Glocks.
 
bersaguy said:
Titegroup does burn hotter, in overall temperature, but I think it would be very unlikely to have a cook off in a semi auto pistol from using it. I've run boxes of max charge 230g ball with Titegroup thru my 1911, and while it began to get rather warm in the hand, no fear of cooking off rounds. I have developed a nice load with those Everglades 115 jhp's using 6.2 grains of Power Pistol seated to 1.113 fired thru CZ75. Average velocity 1260fps with excellent accuracy.
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Thanks Bersa, do you like the Everglades 115 JHPs? They look good and seem to be consistent.
 
Please do yourself a favor and call the powder manufacturer and ask for additional loads. They have them. They don’t publish everything that they have. They likely have a range established for your powder primer and a similar bullet but thought it silly to publish since most people would not mix that primer and powder. Give them a call, email, heck give them a whirl on the dijareedoo if that’s your way to reach out, but don’t do anything until you have done that.
 
WestKentucky said:
Please do yourself a favor and call the powder manufacturer and ask for additional loads. They have them. They don’t publish everything that they have. They likely have a range established for your powder primer and a similar bullet but thought it silly to publish since most people would not mix that primer and powder. Give them a call, email, heck give them a whirl on the dijareedoo if that’s your way to reach out, but don’t do anything until you have done that.
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Good advice, I'll drag out my old dijareedoo and after a few practice puffs I will project my interrogative tune....or maybe I'll just call them.;)
 
GlobalMapper said:
Thanks Bersa, do you like the Everglades 115 JHPs? They look good and seem to be consistent.
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They're fantastic as far as I'm concerned. I haven't done any terminal ballistic tests with them, but from what I can gather, from others who have, is that they have decent expansion at velocities above 1150fps. (No data on velocities below 1150) As far as consistency, my experience has been great. Offhand at 25yds I get about a 2½" group....about as good as it gets for me
 
GlobalMapper said:
Wow! Thanks Ifishsum! Just scored some.
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While you're shopping power valley, they also have HS6 and HP38 in stock. Both are much more forgiving powders in 9mm, and they've been around a long time so are well supported by data for many different bullets. Titegroup will absolutely work, I used a pound in the last shortage for a similar load to yours, it must be used with caution in deference to the high density coupled with low charge weights.
 
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