Korriphila HSP 701
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The Korths sell for about the same price as the Korriphila. One just sold on GB for $9000.
That must be for a rare prototype or something, but both the Korth and Korriphila generally sell in the $8000-$10000 range. They're just very hard to find.
I could see an Odin's Eye Korriphila going for $15-$20K or more.
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"That must be for a rare prototype or something, but both the Korth and Korriphila generally sell in the $8000-$10000 range. They're just very hard to find." [bc1023]
The catalog depicts a 9mm Korth with the rounded trigger guard, reminiscent of an old Roth-Steyr. Price : " $20,000 and up due to the extreme rarity." See 'The Complete Book Of Guns, 2009 Buyer's Guide, pg 96, Harris Publications Inc, NY, NY.'
Earlier catalogs had a substantially lower price.
"...Korriphila generally sell in the $8000-$10000 range." [Ibid.]
That's a reasonable price for the king of semi-auto pistols. Ever try 45 Super (with proper modification) ?
Best to you.
The catalog depicts a 9mm Korth with the rounded trigger guard, reminiscent of an old Roth-Steyr. Price : " $20,000 and up due to the extreme rarity." See 'The Complete Book Of Guns, 2009 Buyer's Guide, pg 96, Harris Publications Inc, NY, NY.'
Earlier catalogs had a substantially lower price.
"...Korriphila generally sell in the $8000-$10000 range." [Ibid.]
That's a reasonable price for the king of semi-auto pistols. Ever try 45 Super (with proper modification) ?
Best to you.
That value off base for the Korth. There's a couple Korth Auto prototypes that can trade hands for big bucks and the author probably got confused. A standard 9mm Korth auto brings $8000 to $10000 on the used market. I know the market well.
They aren't available new any longer.
They aren't available new any longer.
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The referenced Odin's Eye (Odin lost an eye, btw. I'm not sure what the mythological implication of naming the pistol that is
)+1 on clueless Gunbrokers. While back there was some guy selling "Waffen-stamped Uzi mags" or some such
(it was an honest mis-identification, but funny on a lot of levels)TCB
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Because I love the outdoors and would use the Korriphila as a trail gun, and I can't outrun a Grizzly. And yes I do shoot 45 Super in a variety of different handguns.
BTW, just checked and yes this is a gunboard forum: "Handguns Autoloaders"
BTW, just checked and yes this is a gunboard forum: "Handguns Autoloaders"
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No, I get it quite well. I used to have a Baer Premier II Super Tac. I've even carried it. I sold it after I experienced a couple of failures to go into fully into battery. I've never had that problem with the two Colt 1911s I own, so I kept them. And I've never had that problem with my department-issued Glocks. Being the most expensive, and most customized, and most precisely finished does not automatically translate into being the most reliable.
Yes, but the question is, will it honestly do the job better than the far less expensive, but still superbly well made gun. Will it make your draw faster? Is its trigger, it's ergonomics, or its accuracy so much better that you will see a real, discernible improvement in your ability to place rounds center mass in a man-sized target at combat ranges, and do it quicker, without loss of accuracy? Is it honestly less likely to experience malfunctions that the best modern pistols, which, I repeat, are as well-proven and reliable as any handguns have ever been? I would respectfully submit to you that the answer to these questions is almost certainly no.
What then is the advantage to carrying a gun like this? I can't see it. But I can see several downsides.
I have a 1963 Studebaker Avanti, and I drive it all the time. It's having new upper control arms put in right now to make the handling better. But I'm restoring this to good driver status, not 100 point, flawless show car. People who have cars like that don't want to mar that perfect, $10,000 paint job. It's too nice, and they've spent too much money making it that way, so they don't want to get even a single blemish on it (which might cost them the next trophy). Cars like that are more about status and bragging rights than extended practical use. Their owners get a lot of enjoyment and fulfillment from them, but its a different sort than what I get tooling around in my vintage car on a constant basis.
Yes, but now your $8000 gun is just lost a couple of thousands of dollars off its value, because it has non-original parts in it. And again, I don't see what you're getting, in practical terms, in return for that loss.
If you've got that kind of money to burn and its what you want to do, more power to you, but I can't afford to be so profligate in my expenses.
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Hey Billy,
"...used to have a Baer Premier II Super Tac. I've even carried it. I sold it after I experienced a couple of failures to go into fully into battery." [Billy Shears]
The 1911 is something of a bewildering ambivalence, on the one hand it has performed superbly in combat, with 2 Medal of Honor recipients who performed multiple one-shot stops. Incredible. On the other hand it gets criticized for reliability. However, despite carrying other fine handguns it seems I always come back to the 1911. Because its safe and effective? So I saved up my pennies and when the cookie jar was full got a 1911 that will shoot 1" at 50 yards. Hopefully it will stay in battery.
" but the question is, will it honestly do the job better than the far less expensive, but still superbly well made gun." [Ibid.]
Good point. A bullet thru the heart can come from any gun. Maybe its the romance of the gun, to carry a handgun that is built regardless of cost to be the (overall) best in the world. A gun you could take into any scenario and stand an excellent chance of survival. If that gun fails me, then its my time.
Re: non-factory replacement parts "... your $8000 gun is just lost a couple of thousands of dollars off its value, because it has non-original parts in it." [Ibid.]
Tell you a secret. Never worry about money. Worry about health, your family, the ones you love. Work hard, do good, the rest will look after itself.
As for a Korriphila, on paper it looks to be the ultimate example of handgun perfection, but I have never seen one for sale... seen a good number of Korths but never a Korriphila.
For now, I'll make do with what I have. But it sure would be nice to carry just one gun.
PS. Not to be picky, but I think the 1963 Studebaker Avanti, (a very modern car, guess you carry a Benelli ?) is considered a 'classic' not 'vintage' auto. Bumpy, my 48 Chevy, might be considered 'vintage,' ... you can correct me.
"...used to have a Baer Premier II Super Tac. I've even carried it. I sold it after I experienced a couple of failures to go into fully into battery." [Billy Shears]
The 1911 is something of a bewildering ambivalence, on the one hand it has performed superbly in combat, with 2 Medal of Honor recipients who performed multiple one-shot stops. Incredible. On the other hand it gets criticized for reliability. However, despite carrying other fine handguns it seems I always come back to the 1911. Because its safe and effective? So I saved up my pennies and when the cookie jar was full got a 1911 that will shoot 1" at 50 yards. Hopefully it will stay in battery.
" but the question is, will it honestly do the job better than the far less expensive, but still superbly well made gun." [Ibid.]
Good point. A bullet thru the heart can come from any gun. Maybe its the romance of the gun, to carry a handgun that is built regardless of cost to be the (overall) best in the world. A gun you could take into any scenario and stand an excellent chance of survival. If that gun fails me, then its my time.
Re: non-factory replacement parts "... your $8000 gun is just lost a couple of thousands of dollars off its value, because it has non-original parts in it." [Ibid.]
Tell you a secret. Never worry about money. Worry about health, your family, the ones you love. Work hard, do good, the rest will look after itself.
As for a Korriphila, on paper it looks to be the ultimate example of handgun perfection, but I have never seen one for sale... seen a good number of Korths but never a Korriphila.
For now, I'll make do with what I have. But it sure would be nice to carry just one gun.
PS. Not to be picky, but I think the 1963 Studebaker Avanti, (a very modern car, guess you carry a Benelli ?) is considered a 'classic' not 'vintage' auto. Bumpy, my 48 Chevy, might be considered 'vintage,' ... you can correct me.
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tarosean said:
I happen to know that he is living in a Lotus Esprit V8 down by a lake.
Here is a range report I posted on another forum. It includes the Korriphila for anyone interested.
I came to the range with three thoroughbred pistols, in the Sig X-Five, Smith & Wesson 952, and Pardini GT9. I brought the Glock as a reference and I brought the Korriphila so I could shoot it along with the others. The distances were just over 10 yards (about 35 feet) and 25 yards. I did not shoot the Korriphila 25 yards. I only shot two groups through the Glock, one from each distance. I just wanted to compare the target pistols, so I shot those the most. I also used a rest for the testing. It wasn’t a good sandbag rest, but better than nothing. I wanted to take the shooter out of the equation as much as possible. Most of these are 10 shot groups, which is quite a few rounds to keep in check and some flyers really hurt the results. Also, the 25 yard results could have been much better. I find it difficult to keep myself on the exact same spot on target when it gets to that distance, as I'm sure many do. The CZ 75 Kadet was just brought along for some plinking and was not part of the testing.
Here is the group of guns I brought along...
Korriphila HSP 701, Glock 17L, Sig X-Five L1, Pardini GT9, CZ 75 Kadet, Smith & Wesson 952-1
I’m just going to show the test targets and then I’ll comment at the end.
Smith & Wesson 952
10 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (the flyer really hurt)
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (again, I had a flyer)
5 shots at 35 feet measuring .75“
8 shots at 25 yards measuring 3“. (I would have done 10, but that was the last of my ammo)
Sig X-Five
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1“
5 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.5“
I came to the range with three thoroughbred pistols, in the Sig X-Five, Smith & Wesson 952, and Pardini GT9. I brought the Glock as a reference and I brought the Korriphila so I could shoot it along with the others. The distances were just over 10 yards (about 35 feet) and 25 yards. I did not shoot the Korriphila 25 yards. I only shot two groups through the Glock, one from each distance. I just wanted to compare the target pistols, so I shot those the most. I also used a rest for the testing. It wasn’t a good sandbag rest, but better than nothing. I wanted to take the shooter out of the equation as much as possible. Most of these are 10 shot groups, which is quite a few rounds to keep in check and some flyers really hurt the results. Also, the 25 yard results could have been much better. I find it difficult to keep myself on the exact same spot on target when it gets to that distance, as I'm sure many do. The CZ 75 Kadet was just brought along for some plinking and was not part of the testing.
Here is the group of guns I brought along...
Korriphila HSP 701, Glock 17L, Sig X-Five L1, Pardini GT9, CZ 75 Kadet, Smith & Wesson 952-1
I’m just going to show the test targets and then I’ll comment at the end.
Smith & Wesson 952
10 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (the flyer really hurt)
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (again, I had a flyer)
5 shots at 35 feet measuring .75“
8 shots at 25 yards measuring 3“. (I would have done 10, but that was the last of my ammo)
Sig X-Five
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.25“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1“
5 shots at 35 feet measuring under 1.5“
10 shots at 25 yards measuring 3.75“
Pardini GT9
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.5“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (another bad flyer)
5 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.25“
10 shots at 25 yards measuring 3.5“
Glock 17L
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 3.25“ (though the pattern is much spread out than the others)
10 shots at 25 yards measuring just under 5“
Korriphila HSP 701
10 rounds at 35 feet measuring 1.5“
5 rounds at 35 feet measuring under 1.5“
As you can see, I had some interesting results. I shot the Glock as slow and controlled as possible trying to keep it in the running. The results weren’t bad. I especially thought it did well at 25 yards. It had the longest sight radius by a good margin, which gave it a slight advantage. Unfortunately for the Glock, the other guns were able to make up that advantage and then some with tighter tolerances, better triggers, and higher quality barrels. That being said, the competition was very tough and I feel the G17L did pretty well overall.
The Pardini also did great, but it somehow feels a bit out of place shooting from a rest. I’d rather shoot it offhand at a faster pace and take advantage of its super low bore axis and slick action. The Pardini is a serious, purpose built race gun, while the over two are more finesse target shooters and feel more at home shooting from a rest. The Pardini feels a bit stifled in that position. In fact, this may be been the first time I ever shot it from a rest (at least for testing purposes) and I've owned the gun since 2008.
The 952 and X-Five could really go either way. I think the X-Five’s average was slightly better, since the 952 had two flyers which really hurt. Both of them really shoot lights out for me. If I had to choose one of the two guns to bet my life on from a sheer accuracy standpoint, I’d take the Sig X-Five. The 952 beat it on occasion today, but the Sig is heavier and feels more stable. It just feels easier to shoot for accuracy when push comes to shove. The results are so close that its hard to tell, but its just a feeling it gives me.
As you can see from the groups, all three of these pistols are stellar performers. If I had to choose one winner today out of the three, it would have to be the Sig. However, the results are so close that its really a stretch to pick a winner. The Sig shoots ever so slightly better from a rest for me than the 952 or Pardini, though the sample size was small. I think the Sig’s heavy weight helped it today. Its considerable heavier than the aluminum-framed GT9 and the much thinner 952.
As a side note, the Korriphila HSP 701 is quite the gun. I was expecting recoil to really be stout. Blowback 45ACP handguns generally aren’t soft shooters. I was so pleasantly surprised by this pistol. Yes, its a bit snappy. However, the bore axis is pretty low and it doesn’t flip much at all. Budischowsky’s system does an awesome job taming the 45ACP and its 230gr projectile. Furthermore, the incredible preciseness of the gun is evident while you’re shooting it. I feel nothing move while its cycling. Its just a quick, sharp jolt backwards and then right back on point. The trigger reset is just outstanding. It was the first time I ever shot the pistol, but the test targets are darn good considering that. Its also giving up considerable sight radius to the others, especially to the Glock, and it held its own. I’m even more impressed with the Korriphila now that I got a chance to put some rounds through it. Its really a masterpiece.
I guess that’s all I have to say. Since I wanted to pick a winner, I did. However, any of those three would be an excellent choice for a top notch target pistol. They are among the best of the best and they are three of my favorite range pistols. If I were forced to pick the five best shooting 9mm pistols in my entire collection, these three would be included (though I would take the longslide 952). That's how good they really are.
Thanks for reading
Pardini GT9
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.5“
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 2.25“ (another bad flyer)
5 shots at 35 feet measuring 1.25“
10 shots at 25 yards measuring 3.5“
Glock 17L
10 shots at 35 feet measuring 3.25“ (though the pattern is much spread out than the others)
10 shots at 25 yards measuring just under 5“
Korriphila HSP 701
10 rounds at 35 feet measuring 1.5“
5 rounds at 35 feet measuring under 1.5“
As you can see, I had some interesting results. I shot the Glock as slow and controlled as possible trying to keep it in the running. The results weren’t bad. I especially thought it did well at 25 yards. It had the longest sight radius by a good margin, which gave it a slight advantage. Unfortunately for the Glock, the other guns were able to make up that advantage and then some with tighter tolerances, better triggers, and higher quality barrels. That being said, the competition was very tough and I feel the G17L did pretty well overall.
The Pardini also did great, but it somehow feels a bit out of place shooting from a rest. I’d rather shoot it offhand at a faster pace and take advantage of its super low bore axis and slick action. The Pardini is a serious, purpose built race gun, while the over two are more finesse target shooters and feel more at home shooting from a rest. The Pardini feels a bit stifled in that position. In fact, this may be been the first time I ever shot it from a rest (at least for testing purposes) and I've owned the gun since 2008.
The 952 and X-Five could really go either way. I think the X-Five’s average was slightly better, since the 952 had two flyers which really hurt. Both of them really shoot lights out for me. If I had to choose one of the two guns to bet my life on from a sheer accuracy standpoint, I’d take the Sig X-Five. The 952 beat it on occasion today, but the Sig is heavier and feels more stable. It just feels easier to shoot for accuracy when push comes to shove. The results are so close that its hard to tell, but its just a feeling it gives me.
As you can see from the groups, all three of these pistols are stellar performers. If I had to choose one winner today out of the three, it would have to be the Sig. However, the results are so close that its really a stretch to pick a winner. The Sig shoots ever so slightly better from a rest for me than the 952 or Pardini, though the sample size was small. I think the Sig’s heavy weight helped it today. Its considerable heavier than the aluminum-framed GT9 and the much thinner 952.
As a side note, the Korriphila HSP 701 is quite the gun. I was expecting recoil to really be stout. Blowback 45ACP handguns generally aren’t soft shooters. I was so pleasantly surprised by this pistol. Yes, its a bit snappy. However, the bore axis is pretty low and it doesn’t flip much at all. Budischowsky’s system does an awesome job taming the 45ACP and its 230gr projectile. Furthermore, the incredible preciseness of the gun is evident while you’re shooting it. I feel nothing move while its cycling. Its just a quick, sharp jolt backwards and then right back on point. The trigger reset is just outstanding. It was the first time I ever shot the pistol, but the test targets are darn good considering that. Its also giving up considerable sight radius to the others, especially to the Glock, and it held its own. I’m even more impressed with the Korriphila now that I got a chance to put some rounds through it. Its really a masterpiece.
I guess that’s all I have to say. Since I wanted to pick a winner, I did. However, any of those three would be an excellent choice for a top notch target pistol. They are among the best of the best and they are three of my favorite range pistols. If I were forced to pick the five best shooting 9mm pistols in my entire collection, these three would be included (though I would take the longslide 952). That's how good they really are.
Thanks for reading
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Curious as to why u didn't bring a 210 along? Would that make top 5( I think u said it would at some point but I forget?) love my xfive but in my hands my 210 is just a better shooter. Not sure if it is me or gun and how it fits me. Loved this thread btw. I can live vicariously.
I recently posted this guide of high end pistols, including the Korriphila if anyone is interested. It's a long read, but I hope you find it interesting.
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/high-end-centerfire-pistol-buyers-guide.23120/
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/high-end-centerfire-pistol-buyers-guide.23120/
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I've owned a (very) few of the lower-end guns you reviewed: S&W 52-2, SIG P-210-6, P226 X-Five Competition in .40 (SA, and similar, but not quite as nice), ASAI One Pro, and a Sphinx AT-2000S (and an AT-2000P compact). I also had two Witness Sport Long Slides (in 40 and 45) which were, I think, predecessors to the later Tanfoglio IPSC guns. All were great guns. I have a Sphinx SDP now, which is impressive in it's own right -- but not eye candy.
In a time of financial hardship some years back, and to avoid debt, I ended up selliing several of these guns (and a collectible Luger). I later sold the ASAI out of frustration -- I don't remember having problems taking the ASAI down, but do remember having problems with inadvertent double-taps... the SA trigger was so light. It had the lightest, smoothest factory trigger in a service pistol I've ever experienced -- and practically speaking, it scared me. (I've since come to realize that I just needed to get a slightly heavier hammer spring. Duh). I suspect a CZ or Tanfoglio/Witness spring from Wolff would have solved THAT problem. I've also had a couple of shooter Lugers over the years, and they were real TACK DRIVERS, too.
I'm not really a collector -- I'm a shooter, and I clearly don't have the discretionary income to collect as you do. You've got a wonderful collection...
In a time of financial hardship some years back, and to avoid debt, I ended up selliing several of these guns (and a collectible Luger). I later sold the ASAI out of frustration -- I don't remember having problems taking the ASAI down, but do remember having problems with inadvertent double-taps... the SA trigger was so light. It had the lightest, smoothest factory trigger in a service pistol I've ever experienced -- and practically speaking, it scared me. (I've since come to realize that I just needed to get a slightly heavier hammer spring. Duh). I suspect a CZ or Tanfoglio/Witness spring from Wolff would have solved THAT problem. I've also had a couple of shooter Lugers over the years, and they were real TACK DRIVERS, too.
I'm not really a collector -- I'm a shooter, and I clearly don't have the discretionary income to collect as you do. You've got a wonderful collection...
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