BluesBear
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And yet people often ask me why I've never been married.
Legal trap - domestic violence - attorneys pay attention!
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Very True
See my earlier post...Acccusations of DV have become the "cause de juer(sp?)" in divorce, and custody hearings around here...Some are probably true, but (as in my case) many are false... But, the female will usually be believed before the male...I also tried to get custody of my children (costing me another $30k), but basically was told (eventually by several different lawyers) that "if she isn't a practicing prostitute, DOING IT IN FRONT OF THE KIDS, you'll NEVER get custody in this state."
You bet there's a double standard....
See my earlier post...Acccusations of DV have become the "cause de juer(sp?)" in divorce, and custody hearings around here...Some are probably true, but (as in my case) many are false... But, the female will usually be believed before the male...I also tried to get custody of my children (costing me another $30k), but basically was told (eventually by several different lawyers) that "if she isn't a practicing prostitute, DOING IT IN FRONT OF THE KIDS, you'll NEVER get custody in this state."
You bet there's a double standard....
AlaskaErik
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The Lautenberg Amendment is not about good intentions, it's about finding one more reason to disarm America. Lautenberg is part of the DemocRATic Party's cabal of Second Amendment haters who are trying to gut it.
Erik
I'm shocked at some of the statements I've read in this thread.
Domestic violence is real.
Domestic violence is targeted at women much more frequently than at men.
Dysfunctional relationships, continued needling, alcohol, statements like "a man's home is his castle," etc. do not validate domestic violence in any way.
If you raise a hand to your woman you are no longer a man--you are an animal.
Domestic violence is real.
Domestic violence is targeted at women much more frequently than at men.
Dysfunctional relationships, continued needling, alcohol, statements like "a man's home is his castle," etc. do not validate domestic violence in any way.
If you raise a hand to your woman you are no longer a man--you are an animal.
Al Norris
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DCR, that's Boise (Ada County) for you. It's rapidly become the second most liberal area of the State. (Second only to Blaine County, home of Sun Valley)
Give you the classic example: Idaho is a preemptive gun law state. No city, town, village or county may impose any gun law. Yet, go down to the Green Belt and what do you see? Signs prohibiting guns... They've been moved to be a lot less noticeable, since a certain stink in Garden City a few years ago, but they are still there.
I have a good friend that is one of the Green Belt volunteers. He just hates it that by city ordinance that he can't be armed while "on duty." (to be fair, he also signed a contract that states he won't be armed as a condition of the volunteer work.... Gotcha!!) Same ordinance says I can't be armed if I ride along with him. Guess what? I'm armed. I've also called their bluff several times. One nice young LEO threatened to arrest me. We were having a talk about permit holders and I made the mistake of saying, yes, when asked. I told him fine, let's go, then I'll sue you and the city for violation of my civil rights. He blinked. I didn't.
The fact that the Ada County Sheriff is interpreting this law in that manner is not news. Blaine County has done this since the BATF first made their ruling.
DCR, your the attorney. Sounds to me you have the CWP hearing pretty much sown up... Except it's Ada County! Could go either way.
If what you state are the facts, doesn't your friend have cause for appeal based on ineffective council? Sounds to me like the defense attorney was more worried about clearing his calender than adequately defending his client.
BTW, I'm over here in Rupert (Minidoka County). Where this kinda crap don't happen... Unless ya PO'd the Sheriff... We still run 'em outa town on rails here!
Give you the classic example: Idaho is a preemptive gun law state. No city, town, village or county may impose any gun law. Yet, go down to the Green Belt and what do you see? Signs prohibiting guns... They've been moved to be a lot less noticeable, since a certain stink in Garden City a few years ago, but they are still there.
I have a good friend that is one of the Green Belt volunteers. He just hates it that by city ordinance that he can't be armed while "on duty." (to be fair, he also signed a contract that states he won't be armed as a condition of the volunteer work.... Gotcha!!) Same ordinance says I can't be armed if I ride along with him. Guess what? I'm armed. I've also called their bluff several times. One nice young LEO threatened to arrest me. We were having a talk about permit holders and I made the mistake of saying, yes, when asked. I told him fine, let's go, then I'll sue you and the city for violation of my civil rights. He blinked. I didn't.
The fact that the Ada County Sheriff is interpreting this law in that manner is not news. Blaine County has done this since the BATF first made their ruling.
DCR, your the attorney. Sounds to me you have the CWP hearing pretty much sown up... Except it's Ada County! Could go either way.
If what you state are the facts, doesn't your friend have cause for appeal based on ineffective council? Sounds to me like the defense attorney was more worried about clearing his calender than adequately defending his client.
BTW, I'm over here in Rupert (Minidoka County). Where this kinda crap don't happen... Unless ya PO'd the Sheriff... We still run 'em outa town on rails here!
Intune
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If you let anyone beat, stab, shoot, choke, garrote, bludgeon or perform any other serious trauma on you without raising a hand in defense -- you are an idiot. Being manly or womanly has nothing to do with it.
I've seen a woman (I have no idea who she belonged to, she wasn't my woman or "your woman..." ((I love that one)) Chauvinistic posturing aside...) who got punched full in the face by a guy and she was lucky he didn't return the favor of stabbing HER between the shoulder blades. She was still talking trash through a mouthful of blood. Oh, and he had just gotten stabbed when he tried to walk away from the "kinder, gentler" sex.
Curare
Got figures?...While I believe that is probably true, I suspect that its not "much" more frequently...I suspect violence against males is heavily underreported.
Seen both sides of the coin, in several situations I'm familiar with.
But, because of the perception you mention, a woman is more likely to be believed than a man, which is wrong....
Got figures?...While I believe that is probably true, I suspect that its not "much" more frequently...I suspect violence against males is heavily underreported.
Seen both sides of the coin, in several situations I'm familiar with.
But, because of the perception you mention, a woman is more likely to be believed than a man, which is wrong....
You want numbers? Here you go.
90 - 95% of domestic violence victims are women.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings: Violence Between Intimates (NCJ-149259), November 1994.
As many as 95% of domestic violence perpetrators are male.
A Report of the Violence against Women Research Strategic Planning Workshop sponsored by the National Institute of Justice in cooperation with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1995.
Much of female violence is committed in self-defense, and inflicts less injury than male violence.
Chalk & King, eds., Violence in Families: Assessing Prevention & Treatment Programs, National Resource Council and Institute of Medicine, p. 42 (1998).
The chance of being victimized by an intimate is 10 times greater for a woman than a man.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report: National Crime Victimization Survey, Violence Against Women, 1994.
70% of intimate homicide victims are female.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings: Violence Between Intimates (NCJ-149259), November 1994.
American Bar Association DV Stats
90 - 95% of domestic violence victims are women.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings: Violence Between Intimates (NCJ-149259), November 1994.
As many as 95% of domestic violence perpetrators are male.
A Report of the Violence against Women Research Strategic Planning Workshop sponsored by the National Institute of Justice in cooperation with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1995.
Much of female violence is committed in self-defense, and inflicts less injury than male violence.
Chalk & King, eds., Violence in Families: Assessing Prevention & Treatment Programs, National Resource Council and Institute of Medicine, p. 42 (1998).
The chance of being victimized by an intimate is 10 times greater for a woman than a man.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report: National Crime Victimization Survey, Violence Against Women, 1994.
70% of intimate homicide victims are female.
Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings: Violence Between Intimates (NCJ-149259), November 1994.
American Bar Association DV Stats
Brett Bellmore
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Two words: Recording bias.
Aguila Blanca
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BSCurare said:
You are. Read your own words above.Curare said:
thorn726
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oh i am with you, but that's not the way the law sees it.
i think those stats are way off, i second the recording bias.
BUT- the thing is , abusive women rarely have much real control over their men, and dont inflict serious injuries often= ultimately the man is not totally unsatisfied, so puts up with it = and is genreally not as financially trapped in the relationship as the woman.
but you have situations. I - burned myself. i let an abusive woman have too much power over my finances by letting her loan me money, so i had to take abuse. but still it isnt the situation too many women are in- man gets her pregnant, then she's stuck at home, no money ,etc.
trapped for real.
so the thing is society accepts it, when a man is getting abused, he must deserve it, or enjoy it.
"If you got a real job and dressed better i wouldnt have to scream at you!"
it's ok coming from a woman.
really, a man can use self defense the same as he could against any other threat- but consider the strength ratio- 99 times out of a hundred, its a joke.
i mean my ex hit me square in the face a few times. sure , she gave me a slight black eye.
but what if i had hit her back? oh man. never. she'd be in the hospital, it would be like hitting a little kid. i dont even reflex like that because- well like i said, it would be over the top too much
i think more often than not alcohol is involved, and people forget the size difference.
so unless she's a real tough hulk ready to box you, theres never gonna be reason to hit a lady. restrain or run away from, maybe
Oleg Volk
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Anecdotally, over 80% of the domestic abuse I know of is done by women. By abuse I mean battery or aggravated battery. Short of responding to such an attack as one would to an attack by a stranger, I see no solution. At least, one can run home to shelter from a stranger. There's no place to hide from an abusive family member.
I know that I don't have the best judgement when it comes to picking mates. The thought of a lifetime commitment to someone potentially crazy and/or abusive is now very daunting.
If women I know were getting mistreated as the men I know are getting mistreated, their spouses would have been removed before long. Men either try to shrug off or tough out the abuse or deem it an evidence of spirit in their wives or simply have no idea what to do. Especially men who do not consider themselves desirable in the dating market or feel that their kids are hostages to their meek behavior, stay with women who literally knock them bloody regularly or engage in other forms of abuse.
My posters may feature women willing to defend themselves, but often it is men who need to protect themselves despite their conditioning to treat ladies differently. The best defense is not getting involved with crazy trash, but hormonal changes or other causes may change a previously sane person to a domestic enemy. This may be why I've become much more careful with who I date, and even more careful about whom I'd consider suitable as a mate (no one, currently). The person I pick has to be sane and stable, as well as self-sufficient and personable. Very few such people I know, and none of them mesh with me on a romantic level.
I know that I don't have the best judgement when it comes to picking mates. The thought of a lifetime commitment to someone potentially crazy and/or abusive is now very daunting.
If women I know were getting mistreated as the men I know are getting mistreated, their spouses would have been removed before long. Men either try to shrug off or tough out the abuse or deem it an evidence of spirit in their wives or simply have no idea what to do. Especially men who do not consider themselves desirable in the dating market or feel that their kids are hostages to their meek behavior, stay with women who literally knock them bloody regularly or engage in other forms of abuse.
My posters may feature women willing to defend themselves, but often it is men who need to protect themselves despite their conditioning to treat ladies differently. The best defense is not getting involved with crazy trash, but hormonal changes or other causes may change a previously sane person to a domestic enemy. This may be why I've become much more careful with who I date, and even more careful about whom I'd consider suitable as a mate (no one, currently). The person I pick has to be sane and stable, as well as self-sufficient and personable. Very few such people I know, and none of them mesh with me on a romantic level.
beerslurpy
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I'm never getting married, at least not on paper. The only difference between marriage and domestic cohabitation is that marriage gives another person rights to everything you have acquired through cleverness and hard work.
Seems like a prime invitation to dishonesty.
This country is really messed up in that it is actively discouraged for a man to be a breadwinner and for the wife to take care of the children. The government seems to want a nation of single moms dependent on the government to squeeze men for child support. Of course the mom wont actually get enough to raise her children and she will have to work and leave the children with the government to be raised.
Outrageous.
Seems like a prime invitation to dishonesty.
This country is really messed up in that it is actively discouraged for a man to be a breadwinner and for the wife to take care of the children. The government seems to want a nation of single moms dependent on the government to squeeze men for child support. Of course the mom wont actually get enough to raise her children and she will have to work and leave the children with the government to be raised.
Outrageous.
Monkeyleg
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I guess I can thank my lucky stars that no neighbors called the police back in the late 1970's, or I wouldn't be posting on a gun forum today.
My wife and I had so many shouting fights that I can't begin to count them.
If that makes me a bad guy, so be it.
My wife and I had so many shouting fights that I can't begin to count them.
If that makes me a bad guy, so be it.
beerslurpy
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Thats the problem. Any healthy marriage will involve shouting or even throwing things from time to time. The problems arise from this newfangled notion that it is a citizen's duty to call the police at the slightest disturbance amongst your neighbors or when you think there is the slightest chance you could get hurt from a spirited argument.
People also seem to have no concept anymore of the DUTY of marriage. People stay married as long as it is fun or convenient. I cant even count the number of people that get married after knowing someone for a few months and then are shocked when it falls apart a 2 years and a child later. It seems like many of us behave no better than animals in heat. We couple for as long as it takes to ensure the child is born and then everyone decides it is just too inconvenient.
People also seem to have no concept anymore of the DUTY of marriage. People stay married as long as it is fun or convenient. I cant even count the number of people that get married after knowing someone for a few months and then are shocked when it falls apart a 2 years and a child later. It seems like many of us behave no better than animals in heat. We couple for as long as it takes to ensure the child is born and then everyone decides it is just too inconvenient.
Cesiumsponge
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You mean to say domestic victimization against women is more frequently reported than domestic victimization against men? All the statistics in the world won’t do a bit of good if the people refuse to give accurate accounts. It is interesting to note these statistics look at end results of domestic violence in which the situation came to blows and the man wins because he is physically larger and able to cause more damage. Oddly enough, there aren’t refinements such as domestic assault or attempts to assault the other party.
The police show up and both parties claim the other was throwing punches. In most cases, a woman throwing a punch isn’t going to leave broken bones or bruises. That is a physiological fact of life. The man throws one punch and chances are the woman will go down for the count. The intent from either party is the same, but the ability to execute the intent differs greatly between the genders.
You can’t squeak out of murder since there is a body there as evidence. When it comes to something less black and white reported calls on domestic violence, where both sides can often be equally guilty, it is often that only one side takes the entire blame. I’m not dismissing the statistics at all. However, how many men do you know will call the cops if he gets slapped in the face and try to convince police that it was domestic violence that caused great physical harm? How many men will have physical evidence of their abuse that will get the wife in trouble? Will his honest word be enough to convict a violent spouse? Not likely. I can’t think of one. I’ve gotten answers of:
“I deserved what I got”
“I’m a man, I can take it”
“I can’t let people know my wife hits me”
“I’m used to it, this is part of the marriage”
Embarrassment and shame seems to be a present emotion.
Denial, justifying it with “its not bad enough to injure me”
Reluctance to end a relationship (both genders are guilty of this one)
Now, how many women do you think would hesitate to call the police if a hand is raised to them? I grew up witnessing the above firsthand, which is why I am so adamant about this. I’ll tell you right now my old man never called the police on my mom for what she’s done numerous times and he got arrested when he decided to defend himself on one incident. I guess he contributed to the domestic violence statistic as one more man abusing a woman.
Women are taught since elementary school that they have to call police when they are physically attacked in a relationship irregardless of actual harm or not. Males are NOT taught the same thing. Female based crime and violence is on the rise and has been documented statistically…either that or it’s being more accurately tallied in statistics.
Alcohol isn’t strictly a male vice. Women can, and have been known to drink too. In fact, I could have sworn I’ve seen a woman at a bar before drinking alcohol. I’d like to see how the double standard of the female version of “this is my house, get out” doesn’t count as domestic violence. It works so well when she starts throwing your belongings and throwing you out of the house and you have no recourse of action except sleeping at a friend’s house or motel until things “blow over”.
What about the reverse? A woman isn’t considered an animal if she slaps you because…you deserved it and were an insensitive jerk? Since when does someone deserve being physically attacked? Since when is there a justifiable excuse to hit someone? This gender bias is such a norm that I’ve seen a guy getting slapped around with his wife or girlfriend’s purse in a crowded mall while yelling and no one batted an eyebrow to it. The guy covered his head with his hands and tried to walk away but she followed him with the ‘ol purse a swingin’ away. What do you do in this situation when you revert to flight mode while being followed and physically attacked?
Ahh but the intent is the same whether she is all of 5’ 90lbs or a 6’6” Amazon. Basically some of us are reinforcing the idea that battering men is okay because most women aren’t strong enough to hurt their male partners. Therefore, if it doesn’t cause physical harm or death, then it is okay. Then, when we’re being battered by the women and no longer can find a way to “weather it out”, we defend ourselves and end up getting in trouble for all of it. Sorry, that is baloney logic. Women have the potential to be as violent as men. Statistically, mothers make up the majority of children abused and killed in a family as compared to fathers. That alone would invalidate the “innocent flower incapable of harming others” mentality. I suppose it can be argued that the frustrations are taken out on children but I won’t stretch to make that connection.
As mentioned, a healthy marriage has ups and downs. It’s been well researched that a marriage has high and low phases. I cannot think of such a case where a marriage has existed without any arguments whatsoever. However, you can’t even yell at your wife now or she has the option of calling it verbal abuse, which carries the same ramifications of being domestic violence.
I don’t know how it’s possible, but a lot of people are oblivious to the large anti-male stereotyping going on. It isn’t just domestic violence cases. It stretches to prison sentences, aquittal rates, even justification for crimes (“I was on the rag”). Granted, there are areas where men will have the upper hand on women, but I find it hard to believe that women claim they got the short end of the stick everywhere when it clearly isn’t the case.
I can see two types of people posting on this thread. Those that have gone through domestic violence and can verify the bias and injustice present…and those that have escaped it, lead a happy life, and don’t know it’s a real problem since they haven’t experienced it firsthand.
BluesBear
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I'm calling BS on those. And anyone who believes them for more than one nanosecond is an idiot.
There you go.
We all know than large numbers of rape are never reported well I'll wager that the large majority of woman against man voilence is never reported.
Ask anyone who ever worked in a nightclub, tavern, honkey-tonk, whatever you call them in your region. Ask them how many times they;ve seen a woman go off on a man and he does nothing. Ask any door man how many women they've had to carry out in a bear hug to stop them from fighting because the only other option they had was to hit them.
Hell's Bells™ don't ask them ask me. I've wager I've seen it happen more than anyone here.
You'll find that a man just won't admit to being hit by a woman. At least he won't admit it to the authorities.
Where I come from we were taught by our fathers to never hit a woman. The trouble is that no one was teaching that same philosophy to the women.
Let's face it. People in relationships know how to press the buttons. And many of them know just when and where to push.
On of the principals of War is to make your enemy mad enough to do something stupid.
One of the principals of Survival is to not let anyone know you did something stupid.
As Chris Rock said,
"I believe you should never hit a woman.
Now I'd never hit my woman...
But I know how he felt."
A winner!
Yes, the Socialist plan is to make everyone wards of the State.
This is what all this is ultimately about.
A group starts out to right a real or perceived wrong (in this case "Wifebeating"). Once that is acheived the group is co-opted by Socialists to promote a Socialist agenda and make everyone criminals and wards of the State.
G
one45auto
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I see how this feminine double standard works. The degree of injury is what denotes abuse, not actions. Because women aren't as strong as men and theoretically cannot inflict equal physical damage with thier bare hands, it just isn't the same. We should overlook the woman who ran her ex over with a Mercedes a year or so back, as well as the wife who stabbed her husband to death because he wanted to eat his dinner in the bedroom, or maybe we should all ignore the 78 year-old grandmother who shot and killed her 85 year-old boyfriend because he was dating someone else? I mean none of those men were beaten, miscarried, had a broken bone, etc., so I guess that doesn't rise to the same level. The fact that women don't use bare hands but rather knives, clubs, firearms, automobiles, poison, and so on is irrelevant.
Okay, I get it now.
You are using the tactics of an anti. Well done!
You bring up a few high profile incidents that are highly irregular--just like an anti denouncing "assault weapons" based on a few high profile but outlying crimes.
The reality is that many more women have been put into the ground than men through DV homicides (kind of a hard stat to argue with I might add). The reason you remember those news stories is that they received so much attention based on their novelty--women killing men.
You bring up a few high profile incidents that are highly irregular--just like an anti denouncing "assault weapons" based on a few high profile but outlying crimes.
The reality is that many more women have been put into the ground than men through DV homicides (kind of a hard stat to argue with I might add). The reason you remember those news stories is that they received so much attention based on their novelty--women killing men.
Monkeyleg
Member.
Seems like many here are all for creating special classes of crimes.
Stabbing someone is a lesser crime than shooting someone. The answer to how that came about explains where we are with "hate crimes" and "domestic violence" crimes.
Hit/punch/push someone of a race, creed or religion other than your own, and you get an extra penalty.
Slap/punch/push/shout at your Frat buddy, and you're OK. Do the same to a person you live with and you're toast.
Stabbing someone is a lesser crime than shooting someone. The answer to how that came about explains where we are with "hate crimes" and "domestic violence" crimes.
Hit/punch/push someone of a race, creed or religion other than your own, and you get an extra penalty.
Slap/punch/push/shout at your Frat buddy, and you're OK. Do the same to a person you live with and you're toast.
Cesiumsponge
Member
The Bureau of Justice Statistics and the writers are all over the map and contradicting in their various studies.
In their 2002 study and plotted graph, it shows just under 500 men were murdered by an intimate (defined as a spouse, ex-spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend). Just under 1200 women were murdered. Using basic mathematics, a 500:1200 ratio is approximately 1:2.4 or 29.4% men murdered an 70.6% women murdered. That’s not anywhere near 95%. According to the same graph, which goes back to 1975, about 1500 from either gender was murdered by an intimate, with women victims slightly higher in 1975.
The BJS also states during various fact sheets and reports, such as "Spouse Murder Defendants in Large Urban Counties" NCJ-153256 or NCJ 143498:
-Men receive prison sentences 2.7 times longer than women for the same crime.
-Men are 16% more likely to be imprisoned if convicted as compared to women.
-Men are one fifth as likely as women to be acquitted for the same crime.
-Wives are twice as likely as husbands to kill their spouse with a knife.
-Boyfriend victims were more likely to be killed by knives than any other group of intimates.
-1,510,455 women and 834,732 men are victims of physical violence by an intimate. This would contradict the 90-95% figure. That would translate to 64% of women being victims of physical violence, not 95%
-66% of males who killed their intimates had been drinking, compared to 37% of the women. 22% of males had been using drugs, compared to 3% among women. More men have killed intimates under mind altering substances. More women have killed intimites under a clear, lucid mind.
-11% of the males who killed their wives had a history of mental illness compared to 15% of the female defendants.
-50% of the husbands used a firearm, compared to 58% of the wives.
-19% of the husbands used a knife, compared to 37% of the wives.
-3% of the husbands and 6% of the wives were charged with contract killings.
-30% of the wives and 13% of the husbands either were not prosecuted or were found not guilty after being tried for domestic violence.
Using information from the Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-3), US Department of Health and Human Services and relating care of children exclusively under either gender:
-Children are 3 times more likely to be fatally abused in Mother-only Households than in Father-only Households, and 73 times more likely in households where the mother cohabits.
-Compared to biological fathers, children are 59 times more likely to be fatally abused by women. Excluded is SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) which, if labled as murder, would increase the fatal child abuse rate by mothers by 4-10 fold.
-3.1 million reports of child abuse are filed against men each year, more than 90% of which are false.
You can throw around statistics collaborated from “reported incidences”. If someone isn’t going to report the incident, the statistic is no good. Domestic violence statistics depend on reports made by women or men calling 911 to report an incident. If a man gets slapped and won't call, it ain't going to make the statistic and will end up as underrepresented. Domestic violence statistics are along the same lines in terms of accuracy as rape statistics or penis length statistics. The DOJ cites that 500,000 women claim to be raped or sexually assaulted a year but only 15,000 men are convicted per year. When there isn't a cold dead body as evidence, statistics start heading towards the gray area of he said she said.
Never forget that you can make statistics to look like whatever your heart desires. I would think we’ve all learned this by now.
*edit, just out of curiosity, I spent 5 minutes using Google's news service and came up with the following. If you think the aforementioned cases of women assaulting or killing men (intimates or otherwise) were “just isolated media circus incidents”…look what I found in a matter of a few minutes time on Google News, all within a 30 days of age.
Wife Stabs Hubby With Pen and hit him over the head with a 3-pound dumbbell. To Make Him Stop Snoring
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/features/strangenews/wabc_061705_strangenews_snoringstabbing.html
Woman Assaults Daughter's School Bus Driver
http://www.nbc4.com/news/4562612/detail.html
Police Say Lubbock Woman Stabs Boyfriend to Death
http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=3492312
Woman Stabs Boyfriend After An Argument in Tampa
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBT1IWOP9E.html
woman was arrested for beating up her four-year-old son over P100 bill
http://www.thefreeman.com/local/story-20050611-31496.html
Woman Assaults Leonardo DiCaprio with Beer Bottle
http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/06/report_woman_as.shtml
Woman shoots and kills husband on Father's Day
http://www.parisbeacon.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1338&Itemid=
UAE WOMAN SHOOTS HUSBAND WHILE HE SLEEPS
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...e/2005/June/theuae_June430.xml§ion=theuae
Woman Kills Husband in His Sleep With Tractor Axle
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?d...-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
Mother kills four babies 'to hold on to boyfriend'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1639909,00.html
Woman Shoots At Deputy, Turns Gun On Self At Taco Bell
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4574082/detail.html
Woman, 78, kills 85-year-old former lover
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1119702643284530.xml&coll=2
Mother kills 3 kids, herself
http://newstodaynet.com/24jun/ld1.htm
Mother kills her two daughters due to marital dispute
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/050531/2005053128.html
Woman kills sons, attempts suicide
http://www.hindu.com/lf/2005/06/09/stories/2005060915530200.htm
Ex-wife murders millionaire with hallucinogen
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/09/content_3062218.htm
Granted you will find wife stabbers and shooters too, but please don't for one instance try to convince us that there is no other side to the story.
In their 2002 study and plotted graph, it shows just under 500 men were murdered by an intimate (defined as a spouse, ex-spouse, boyfriend or girlfriend). Just under 1200 women were murdered. Using basic mathematics, a 500:1200 ratio is approximately 1:2.4 or 29.4% men murdered an 70.6% women murdered. That’s not anywhere near 95%. According to the same graph, which goes back to 1975, about 1500 from either gender was murdered by an intimate, with women victims slightly higher in 1975.
The BJS also states during various fact sheets and reports, such as "Spouse Murder Defendants in Large Urban Counties" NCJ-153256 or NCJ 143498:
-Men receive prison sentences 2.7 times longer than women for the same crime.
-Men are 16% more likely to be imprisoned if convicted as compared to women.
-Men are one fifth as likely as women to be acquitted for the same crime.
-Wives are twice as likely as husbands to kill their spouse with a knife.
-Boyfriend victims were more likely to be killed by knives than any other group of intimates.
-1,510,455 women and 834,732 men are victims of physical violence by an intimate. This would contradict the 90-95% figure. That would translate to 64% of women being victims of physical violence, not 95%
-66% of males who killed their intimates had been drinking, compared to 37% of the women. 22% of males had been using drugs, compared to 3% among women. More men have killed intimates under mind altering substances. More women have killed intimites under a clear, lucid mind.
-11% of the males who killed their wives had a history of mental illness compared to 15% of the female defendants.
-50% of the husbands used a firearm, compared to 58% of the wives.
-19% of the husbands used a knife, compared to 37% of the wives.
-3% of the husbands and 6% of the wives were charged with contract killings.
-30% of the wives and 13% of the husbands either were not prosecuted or were found not guilty after being tried for domestic violence.
Using information from the Third National Incidence Study of Child Abuse and Neglect (NIS-3), US Department of Health and Human Services and relating care of children exclusively under either gender:
-Children are 3 times more likely to be fatally abused in Mother-only Households than in Father-only Households, and 73 times more likely in households where the mother cohabits.
-Compared to biological fathers, children are 59 times more likely to be fatally abused by women. Excluded is SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) which, if labled as murder, would increase the fatal child abuse rate by mothers by 4-10 fold.
-3.1 million reports of child abuse are filed against men each year, more than 90% of which are false.
You can throw around statistics collaborated from “reported incidences”. If someone isn’t going to report the incident, the statistic is no good. Domestic violence statistics depend on reports made by women or men calling 911 to report an incident. If a man gets slapped and won't call, it ain't going to make the statistic and will end up as underrepresented. Domestic violence statistics are along the same lines in terms of accuracy as rape statistics or penis length statistics. The DOJ cites that 500,000 women claim to be raped or sexually assaulted a year but only 15,000 men are convicted per year. When there isn't a cold dead body as evidence, statistics start heading towards the gray area of he said she said.
Never forget that you can make statistics to look like whatever your heart desires. I would think we’ve all learned this by now.
*edit, just out of curiosity, I spent 5 minutes using Google's news service and came up with the following. If you think the aforementioned cases of women assaulting or killing men (intimates or otherwise) were “just isolated media circus incidents”…look what I found in a matter of a few minutes time on Google News, all within a 30 days of age.
Wife Stabs Hubby With Pen and hit him over the head with a 3-pound dumbbell. To Make Him Stop Snoring
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/features/strangenews/wabc_061705_strangenews_snoringstabbing.html
Woman Assaults Daughter's School Bus Driver
http://www.nbc4.com/news/4562612/detail.html
Police Say Lubbock Woman Stabs Boyfriend to Death
http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=3492312
Woman Stabs Boyfriend After An Argument in Tampa
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBT1IWOP9E.html
woman was arrested for beating up her four-year-old son over P100 bill
http://www.thefreeman.com/local/story-20050611-31496.html
Woman Assaults Leonardo DiCaprio with Beer Bottle
http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/06/report_woman_as.shtml
Woman shoots and kills husband on Father's Day
http://www.parisbeacon.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1338&Itemid=
UAE WOMAN SHOOTS HUSBAND WHILE HE SLEEPS
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...e/2005/June/theuae_June430.xml§ion=theuae
Woman Kills Husband in His Sleep With Tractor Axle
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?d...-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
Mother kills four babies 'to hold on to boyfriend'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1639909,00.html
Woman Shoots At Deputy, Turns Gun On Self At Taco Bell
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4574082/detail.html
Woman, 78, kills 85-year-old former lover
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1119702643284530.xml&coll=2
Mother kills 3 kids, herself
http://newstodaynet.com/24jun/ld1.htm
Mother kills her two daughters due to marital dispute
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/050531/2005053128.html
Woman kills sons, attempts suicide
http://www.hindu.com/lf/2005/06/09/stories/2005060915530200.htm
Ex-wife murders millionaire with hallucinogen
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/09/content_3062218.htm
Granted you will find wife stabbers and shooters too, but please don't for one instance try to convince us that there is no other side to the story.
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