Lessons from 24.

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VaughnT

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I'm as big a fan of Jack Bauer and the series as anyone. One of my bad habits with any tv show or movie is to try and learn something. Even if it's what NOT to do, I think that everything out there can teach us something. And, yes, it annoys those watching the show with me or hearing my After-Action Assessment of the show. :D

In this most recent episode of 24, Jack gets a call from Chloe, saying that she's in big doodoo and so is he. Understanding the severity of the situation, Jack knows he needs to get out of Dodge, and pronto.

You'll note that even before the phone call is over, Jack is reaching for a bag of gear that was fully stocked and ready to go. This is a BOB!

The only problem I saw with this BOB was that it didn't seem organized or compartmentalized in any way. I'm all for staying low-key, of being the Grey Man, but trying to find a reload for your pistol in what amounts to an open pit full of reloads and weapons and knives and commgear.....

It's good that he is prepared, but there are better ways to be prepared. Take a note.

Also note that Jack had the abandoned oil refinery in mind as a rendezvous point. This is something he must have thought of in advance in order to know that it was abandoned and convenient to the general AO.

A similar rendezvous point for friends and family isn't a bad idea. There should, ideally, be several of them located around the periphery of the "no-fly" zone. This allows you to choose whichever RP is best depending on the location of the parties involved, or conditions which might preclude using a particular RP.

Last on my list of observations, but certainly not least in importance, MOVE! I don't care what's beset you, keep in motion.

Forward. Backward. Left. Right. Up. Down. Do something!

When Jack realized that the chopper wasn't going to wind up in time, he ordered a move. Throughout the entire refinery scene, you see Jack in constant motion. He's thinking on his feet and improvising according to what the antagonists do. In fact, he transitions smoothly from protagonist to antagonist, taking the fight to the enemy instead of sitting on his arse and waiting for them to make a move.

All of these things are things we have talked about ad nauseum on this board and others. My point here isn't to make some earth-shattering revelation, but to remind people to remember those conversations and, maybe, see the parallel between this episode and their lives. Yea, we'll not likely be ridding the world of terrorists, but there are "terrorists" that we will be facing. Your's might be a flood, or a riot, or a power outage. In the end, it doesn't matter what adversity you face. Just be prepared.
 
I agree. You made a good post. Well thought out & typed. I already have a "BOB" as you called it. Batteries, a map of my property with positions of my booby traps clearly marked, flashlight, etc.


*I live in a heavily wooded area.
 
My wife and I also discussed Jack's BOB and we payed attention as he pulled things out of it to see what he had packed for himself.
 
Obvious solution would be to sew some velcro or other attachement points inside the bag so that it looked "plain" on the outside but was all business on the inside.
 
I'm not sure if your suggestion to "MOVE" no matter what, and no matter in what direction is a very good idea.

At some point, you need to STOP, even if only momentarily. You might need to get a more thorough assessment, and if you continue to move, you might be headed in the wrong direction OR miss something.
It's also a bit difficult to cover your "6" while you're continually on the move.

As for the "BoB", that show is "Hollywood"! Bauer would KNOW exactly what was in the bag, where it was, and how many of any particular item was inside because....it would be in the SCRIPT!
 
I agree with Oldtimer. THere is a time to move, and there is a time to stay. the key is knowing, through training or through practices instincts, which is which.
 
the premier of 24 is the first TV show i've watched in years. the lesson i got from it was

"don't strap radio-activated bombs to yourself"
 
I was waiting for something like this

When you are in a hostage situation and SWAT comes in blazing, don't get up and start waving a gun around, shooting. Nice way to get shot along with the BG's. I was under the impression you stay down w/the hostages. The miracle of TV..:scrutiny:
 
I certainly wouldn't trust my life to the knowledge of some script writer. :what:

You can use a scenario from the entertainment world to stimulate thought about what to do in a tactical situation, but I sure wouldn't use what the charactor in a TV show carries as the best example of what should be in my BOB.

Any tactics, techniques and procedures you see in a television show or a movie have most likely been modified so they film better or fit the storyline better.

It's entertainment..nothing more.

Jeff
 
I try to make it a point to never glean knowedge of esoteric things by watching TV's hyped version of them.

I'm reasonably certain that no budding doctors are getting medical advice from Grey's Anatomy or House. I'm reasonably certain that 24 offers us a similar dearth of tactical knowledge.

Mike

PS If, on the other hand, you wish to learn how to be stunningly sarcastic and snarky, I can find no better teacher than House. Dear Lord, is it fun to watch. :D
 
Gentlemen, I think you're taking my words wrong and looking at things too literally.

I agree that this is a hollyweird production and cannot be used as a practical guide to survival in hostile times. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't learn from it; that we can't extrapolate.

When I mentioned moving, this isn't only literal, but also metaphorical. Much like when you're driving home from work, you stop occassionally for red lights and stop signs. You are still in motion, heading in a particular direction for a particular end-point, but you can and should make short stops to assess the situation. Your mind is working towards the end result the whole time , and that is my point.

The BOB and it's existance is the point. The contents or construction are irrelevant. That he has something stashed away for emergencies is a Lesson. That said bag is a disorganized gymbag illustrates a good way to NOT set up your own BOB.

There are lessons in everything. Part of understanding those lessons is to seek instruction in the real world from professional teachers who are well-versed in what you are trying to learn.
 
I caught the BOB also. Nice thing about his is it's very low key.....not militaristic looking like the ones from Maxpedition, County Comm, and others.

I am addicted to 24....LOL

Dave Williams
 
The BOB and it's existance is the point. The contents or construction are irrelevant. That he has something stashed away for emergencies is a Lesson. That said bag is a disorganized gymbag illustrates a good way to NOT set up your own BOB.
If this was a revelation to you, then yes, I guess it was.

Mike
 
Dammit, if anyone sees something that reminds him to "double-check" then more power to him/her. If it isn't realistic, then at least it's creative. Creativity trumps all fore-sight. If you envisioned it, then you wouldn't need to be creative. I am one for learning from Hollywood, no matter how far-fetched it is.


DID-YOU-KNOW: The gov consulted Hollywood on what "would be terrorists" "MIGHT DO".

WHY? Because there is a difference between thinking "inside and outside" the box.
 
Look, I like 24 also, but realistic, in any way shape or form it just ain't.

Enjoy it for the entertainment, but I wouldn't spend too much energy trying to glean any training factoids out of it.
 
I too was watching the premier of 24. Just wondering what is Jack using? An H&K? Didn't he use a Sig last season?

We've done the "guns of 24 thread before, but the current carry gun is an HK P2000. Before that it was a USP Compact, and before that is was a tutone Sig P229
 
That's one of the reasons I watch 24. To see the gear. PDA's with a built in GPS? Good idea, one I hadn't seen before season one. So I put it on my wish list and got one. Goes with me everywhere, handy on a regular basis. Tactical flashlights-I didn't know about 'em until I watched the show, now I spend way too much money on flashlights (they're addictive!) Another part of my EDC now. Automatic knives and other assorted pointy objects, handguns, silencers, shotguns, carbines and rifles, BOB's (as noted). Logistics, comms, what the good guys and bad guys key on in their database searches. How they track each other. Sure, some of it is 'writer fantasy' but I still try to pay attention; knowledge is where you find it.
 
garrettwc said:
We've done the "guns of 24 thread before, but the current carry gun is an HK P2000. Before that it was a USP Compact, and before that is was a tutone Sig P229

I think I'm gonna go broke trying to keep up with all of Jack's gear.:evil:
 
I'm with Jeff and Coronach. I'd rather get my wisdom from folks who have survived real life encounters.
 
I love 24. It always keeps me on the edge of my seat. The 60 minutes that it is on every week goes by like seconds.
 
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