Cosmoline
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That's a good point--out of some barrels they will get stuck in the choke! 
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I would think one of those pen flare kits would be smaller and lighter...
At night a flashing strobe light or a bright flashlight would help, in the daytime a signal mirror is useful.
Something similar to a VS-17 panel (brightly colored cloth panel layed out on the ground where aircraft can see it) would be light and packable.
A whistle is small and easily packed into your kit.
At night a flashing strobe light or a bright flashlight would help, in the daytime a signal mirror is useful.
Something similar to a VS-17 panel (brightly colored cloth panel layed out on the ground where aircraft can see it) would be light and packable.
A whistle is small and easily packed into your kit.
Here is something to consider if your looking for a pistol. A glock 23 (40 S&W)can be converted to shoot a 9mm. All you need is a after market barrel and 9mm magazines. The glock 23 barrel has a larger diameter than a Glock 19 (9mm) barrel. You have to buy a after market glock 23 barrel in 9mm caliber. Olympic Arms made them as of a few years ago.
If you have to scrounge for ammo it doubles the chances of finding some.
If you have to scrounge for ammo it doubles the chances of finding some.
Mannlicher
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I keep learning more and more from this thread. I have some things to add;
if you wear contacts, get and take a pair of glasses with the same prescription. Always have a spare pair if you wear glasses only.
That was an exellent idea of having all your docs stored on a USB stick or a CD. Another thing to add to that info is current photos of your house, family, pets,
Did anyone mention a solar powered battery charger?
Propane camp stove works well. I used one to cook on for three days when Katrina came through Miami on her way to NOLA.
Give some serious thought to clothing. Make sure you take stuff that is sturdy, correct for the season of year, and gives some variety.
Make sure that if you have to hoof it, if your Transportation gives out, you have the basics set aside in such a manner that you can carry it.
We keep some cash in one of the gun safes. Its in one of those zipper bank bags, and is ready to go. Here in Miami, you just never know if the power will be out, and the banks/ATMs are unavailable.
if you wear contacts, get and take a pair of glasses with the same prescription. Always have a spare pair if you wear glasses only.
That was an exellent idea of having all your docs stored on a USB stick or a CD. Another thing to add to that info is current photos of your house, family, pets,
Did anyone mention a solar powered battery charger?
Propane camp stove works well. I used one to cook on for three days when Katrina came through Miami on her way to NOLA.
Give some serious thought to clothing. Make sure you take stuff that is sturdy, correct for the season of year, and gives some variety.
Make sure that if you have to hoof it, if your Transportation gives out, you have the basics set aside in such a manner that you can carry it.
We keep some cash in one of the gun safes. Its in one of those zipper bank bags, and is ready to go. Here in Miami, you just never know if the power will be out, and the banks/ATMs are unavailable.
WOW! This is the best thread I've read in a long time.
That said, I believe that the most important point in Preacherman's original post is number 13(.gov run camps/centers).
If you let yourself get caught in that situation(unarmed and packed in a camp/cage or whatever you want to call it) you lose the ability to control your own destiny and become a helpless refugee.
I read in a book (I can't remember the title) a long time ago about the same things we are discussing now and the author made mention of the fact that the LAST thing that you want to do is accept shelter in exchange for giving up your weapons.......you are better off dealing with the unknowns in the proverbial wilderness than giving up your freedom.
If you find yourself in a government run center, everything else discussed here will be a moot point.
Just my .02 cents worth.
That said, I believe that the most important point in Preacherman's original post is number 13(.gov run camps/centers).
If you let yourself get caught in that situation(unarmed and packed in a camp/cage or whatever you want to call it) you lose the ability to control your own destiny and become a helpless refugee.
I read in a book (I can't remember the title) a long time ago about the same things we are discussing now and the author made mention of the fact that the LAST thing that you want to do is accept shelter in exchange for giving up your weapons.......you are better off dealing with the unknowns in the proverbial wilderness than giving up your freedom.
If you find yourself in a government run center, everything else discussed here will be a moot point.
Just my .02 cents worth.
WvaBill
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Signal Mirror: Sight through the hole in a CD. Even having a decent signal mirror, this is a handy field expedient.
Caffeine tablets: When I have been unwilling to take the time to brew coffee, I have dipped cofffee like so many dip tobacco. Learned that trick in 8th grade to beard the lions of public education.
Caffeine tablets: When I have been unwilling to take the time to brew coffee, I have dipped cofffee like so many dip tobacco. Learned that trick in 8th grade to beard the lions of public education.
More random thoughts; emergency medical kit.
If you frequently go to remote places for recreation and adventure you might find an understanding doctor who will help you put an emergency medical kit together with some prescription antibiotics and painkillers. These can be renewed when the medications are due to expire. Such a kit might be invaluable during a disaster.
In addition to butterfly sutures, you can buy regular sutures and learn to suture using pigs feet or any dead animal with skin intact. There are staple suture guns available too which are probably very expedient.
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If you frequently go to remote places for recreation and adventure you might find an understanding doctor who will help you put an emergency medical kit together with some prescription antibiotics and painkillers. These can be renewed when the medications are due to expire. Such a kit might be invaluable during a disaster.
In addition to butterfly sutures, you can buy regular sutures and learn to suture using pigs feet or any dead animal with skin intact. There are staple suture guns available too which are probably very expedient.
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Highland Ranger
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Not cheap, but Adventure Medical makes some pretty comprehensive kits: http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com/
Cabelas sells some of them . . . . (http://www.cabelas.com)
Again - not cheap, but seemingly well thought out (at least to a lay person). Their claim to fame is that even though they aren't cheap, their kits include items not readily available and all told are less expensive than if you went to put the kit together yourself.
I think I bought the comprehensive for $150.
Cabelas sells some of them . . . . (http://www.cabelas.com)
Again - not cheap, but seemingly well thought out (at least to a lay person). Their claim to fame is that even though they aren't cheap, their kits include items not readily available and all told are less expensive than if you went to put the kit together yourself.
I think I bought the comprehensive for $150.
There is a whole lot of information here and I haven't had time to get through it all yet but I am thinking about footwear.
Can anyone point me toward some good boots?
I am historically hard on shoes so I have fallen into the trap of just buying the cheap hiking boots at Wal-Mart and replacing them when they wear out (or when the sole cracks right at the wide part of my foot).
Anyhow, given the scale of this mess, I am thinking that being able to move on foot over any terrain that you can is a necessity.
I need boots.
I have looked locally and I am unable to find what I want so I am going to have to go through the PITA of ordering and sending them back until I get a pair that fit right.
As I have said, I am really hard on shoes. At my best I can destroy a pair in a few months by just wearing them.
I need them to meet this criteria:
1.) extremely durable
2.) have to come in wide or maybe even extra wide
3.) have to be uninsulated
Where do I even start looking?
Where do I find honest-to-God US Army issue combat boots. (I do recall that it took me a REALLY LONG TIME to wear the ones I was issued out.)
What online stores will have the most liberal return/exchange policy on things like this?
Can anyone point me toward some good boots?
I am historically hard on shoes so I have fallen into the trap of just buying the cheap hiking boots at Wal-Mart and replacing them when they wear out (or when the sole cracks right at the wide part of my foot).
Anyhow, given the scale of this mess, I am thinking that being able to move on foot over any terrain that you can is a necessity.
I need boots.
I have looked locally and I am unable to find what I want so I am going to have to go through the PITA of ordering and sending them back until I get a pair that fit right.
As I have said, I am really hard on shoes. At my best I can destroy a pair in a few months by just wearing them.
I need them to meet this criteria:
1.) extremely durable
2.) have to come in wide or maybe even extra wide
3.) have to be uninsulated
Where do I even start looking?
Where do I find honest-to-God US Army issue combat boots. (I do recall that it took me a REALLY LONG TIME to wear the ones I was issued out.)
What online stores will have the most liberal return/exchange policy on things like this?
Re. glasses: I've only begun wearing glasses in the past couple of years and I still misplace them all the time. In response to my failing memory (like my vision) I've purchased off the rack glasses that work almost as well as my expensive prescription glasses (no off the rack for the mild astigmatism) and keep a pair in the car, at work, in my office at home, on my work bench in the garage. Since these only cost $7 a pair the price doesn't sting too badly.
Art Eatman
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goon, my RedWing "20-mile" boots date to the 1970s. I also have a pair of Russell Birdhunters of almost the same vintage. Lotsa re-soling. 10", lightweight, uninsulated.
TheQuiet1, I usually just blue-line the part of a post I want and press "Ctrl/c" and put quote marks before and after inserting it into my reply via "Ctrl/v": "How do I reply with quotes from another person's post?"
That way, I don't have to edit out any extraneous material.
Art
TheQuiet1, I usually just blue-line the part of a post I want and press "Ctrl/c" and put quote marks before and after inserting it into my reply via "Ctrl/v": "How do I reply with quotes from another person's post?"
That way, I don't have to edit out any extraneous material.
Art
dmftoy1
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goon: It depends on what you're looking for. My wife and I tend to do quite a bit of hiking so we buy boots we can use for that. I've had really good luck with the Vasque Classic's (Gortex). My feet stay really dry and on a very long day they don't get sore or anything of the sort. These boots do require quite a bit of break-in though. The one advantage for me is that I have short wide feet so I was able to get them in 8 1/2 extra wide. (I think they are double E but I'd have to check)
We've had really good luck with REI as far as returning stuff if it was wrong, but it's been a couple of years so I would check as to what their policies still are. (my wife has returned at least 2 pairs of boots to them with no problems)
Have a good one,
Dave
We've had really good luck with REI as far as returning stuff if it was wrong, but it's been a couple of years so I would check as to what their policies still are. (my wife has returned at least 2 pairs of boots to them with no problems)
Have a good one,
Dave
Island Beretta
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Not sure if this fits into a bug-out thread but from my experience, have a certain level of fitness.. I have seen people just give up because their body can't stand the stress, hunger and wear and tear..you dont have to be Billy Blanks but get on and keep at a fitness program..
learn to swim too, the world is 70% water..
learn to swim too, the world is 70% water..
sumpnz
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goon - I finally blew out my Rockports after spending a summer pounding pavement while working for the DOT, lots of fishing, hiking and camping trips over the next 7 years and finally deer hunting in southern AZ. I did have to get the stiching at the heel repaired on one of them, but they remained reasonably water tight even after that.
I've now got a pair of REI boots that have so far only had to survive the Grand Canyon. Aside from some permenant staining from the red soil they are still almost as good as new (actually better since they're thoroughly broken in).
One thing that made all the difference in the fit of these (REI) boots was the pair of Superfeet insoles I bought with them. I was ready to pass on them (and all the others) until I stuck the insoles in them. I highly recommend you try those or other similar orthodics when you buy a pair of boots. Most boots these days have little more than compressed paper for an insole. The makers seem to almost expect you to invest in something like Superfeet.
I've now got a pair of REI boots that have so far only had to survive the Grand Canyon. Aside from some permenant staining from the red soil they are still almost as good as new (actually better since they're thoroughly broken in).
One thing that made all the difference in the fit of these (REI) boots was the pair of Superfeet insoles I bought with them. I was ready to pass on them (and all the others) until I stuck the insoles in them. I highly recommend you try those or other similar orthodics when you buy a pair of boots. Most boots these days have little more than compressed paper for an insole. The makers seem to almost expect you to invest in something like Superfeet.
Art posted:
Got it figured out, thanks.
A note on boots: If you expect to be hoofing it through any kind of brush, vines or anything like that, you won't be a happy hiker if your clodhoppers have those quick-lace lugs on the top half of the boot........they grab every twig, branch, vine and such with such regularity that you would have thought that you were wearing grappling hooks.
Make sure that whatever pair you decide to buy has eyelets that go all the way to the top.
Got it figured out, thanks.
A note on boots: If you expect to be hoofing it through any kind of brush, vines or anything like that, you won't be a happy hiker if your clodhoppers have those quick-lace lugs on the top half of the boot........they grab every twig, branch, vine and such with such regularity that you would have thought that you were wearing grappling hooks.
Make sure that whatever pair you decide to buy has eyelets that go all the way to the top.
Can'thavenuthingood
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Good thought on the boots. Another thought, send your wife to the closet to pick out one pair of boots/shoes to wear or store in the bugout kit. She'll probably be gone for a few hours.
Might ought to learn how to make and cook in a solar oven, it's not as easy as it seems. I tend to grow more bacteria than nutrition. Same with learning how to distill water. It's simple once you've participated in it, try thinking it through as you sit there.
I really like the backup finger type harddrive. An air mattress may be more useful/easier than a raft.
Also the back pack will most likely start out traveling with you in a vehicle. The vehicle ought to have the next step up from your backpack on foot equipment. More water in vehicle, bigger guns and more ammo. Likely more perishables grabbed from the home refer/freezer as you head out the door.
Keep the backpack separate from the vehicle kit so when you run out of gas or backed up traffic, you bugout from your vehicle in a hurry.
I'm more than likely in a place that people will bugout to, so I'll be thinking differently. I'll be staying put, so what do I put up for the bugoutees? or is that bugouters?
Preachermans experience with his friends friends is an eyeopener. They won't be turned away very easily, depending on their need.
Gloves, aspirin, pepto dismal etc.
So much to think about,
Vick
Might ought to learn how to make and cook in a solar oven, it's not as easy as it seems. I tend to grow more bacteria than nutrition. Same with learning how to distill water. It's simple once you've participated in it, try thinking it through as you sit there.
I really like the backup finger type harddrive. An air mattress may be more useful/easier than a raft.
Also the back pack will most likely start out traveling with you in a vehicle. The vehicle ought to have the next step up from your backpack on foot equipment. More water in vehicle, bigger guns and more ammo. Likely more perishables grabbed from the home refer/freezer as you head out the door.
Keep the backpack separate from the vehicle kit so when you run out of gas or backed up traffic, you bugout from your vehicle in a hurry.
I'm more than likely in a place that people will bugout to, so I'll be thinking differently. I'll be staying put, so what do I put up for the bugoutees? or is that bugouters?
Preachermans experience with his friends friends is an eyeopener. They won't be turned away very easily, depending on their need.
Gloves, aspirin, pepto dismal etc.
So much to think about,
Vick
The Freeholder
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I'm just a smilin'
This is a great thread. It seems that many of you are already survivalists, even if you don't call yourselves that. You have the mindset, and that's the important part.
Rather than add to your lists, which are pretty good, I'm going to point you to some resources. There are tons of sites out there, but I think these are some of the better "all-in-one" ones.
This and Google are enough to get you started.
Good luck to you all, and welcome to the cult.
This is a great thread. It seems that many of you are already survivalists, even if you don't call yourselves that. You have the mindset, and that's the important part.
Rather than add to your lists, which are pretty good, I'm going to point you to some resources. There are tons of sites out there, but I think these are some of the better "all-in-one" ones.
This and Google are enough to get you started.
Good luck to you all, and welcome to the cult.
rwc
Member
+1 on having good boots. A couple pair of good socks that fit well with those boots are equally important. I like Smartwool.
I've taken a pair of comfortable, well broken-in boots and put them in my office earthquake box (along with gloves, etc., and a few gallons of water). I'm breaking in my new boots now but I know that I've got at least one pair of sturdy hikers available everywhere I spend a lot of time.
I've taken a pair of comfortable, well broken-in boots and put them in my office earthquake box (along with gloves, etc., and a few gallons of water). I'm breaking in my new boots now but I know that I've got at least one pair of sturdy hikers available everywhere I spend a lot of time.
texascarl
Member
goon-you can find some military issue boots at this link-should be able to find all sorts of sizes as well. I like Danner boots even if they cost as much as 5 years worth of Wal-mart disposables. Buy good boots and a good bed, you're in one or the other all your life.
Brigade Quartermaster
Brigade Quartermaster
I have a pair of Danner Acadias I purchased in 1997 and have put many miles on. I get them resoled every year or so. Thorlo socks are very nice, especially if you are in a drier climate. For humid climes the more polypro the better, or you run the risk of trenchfoot or similar nastiness.
ETA: look in this thread for more info:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=154446
ETA: look in this thread for more info:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=154446
Cosmoline
Member
Ditto on the Danners. My old Rainforests are in my truck earthquake kit. Something that can cope with lots of nails sticking out of boards on the ground is a must. I've seen two people interviewed on cable saying they stepped on nails and had infections.
BoB
Preacherman god bless you and yours. Thanks to everyone that has posted here, awesome information. I like the KISS approch to my BOB I have found the keeping hi energy bar broken into three or for equal pices and vacume sealing will water proof (also do them to your cash)them and will provide the energy to keep you going. spend the money on a good knife and a good sidearm with a defensive load and extra ammo in your bob or two extra mags on your body. train and know that if you have to use your sidearm you will without second thoughts.
Preacherman god bless you and yours. Thanks to everyone that has posted here, awesome information. I like the KISS approch to my BOB I have found the keeping hi energy bar broken into three or for equal pices and vacume sealing will water proof (also do them to your cash)them and will provide the energy to keep you going. spend the money on a good knife and a good sidearm with a defensive load and extra ammo in your bob or two extra mags on your body. train and know that if you have to use your sidearm you will without second thoughts.
Some thoughts on preparing and exiting.
I've been scanning posts to try to catch up. Can't find the post where someone (Preacherman?) was considering the smaller lighter vehicle vs larger vehicle for heading out. I have both types, a Nissan 4x extra cab PU w/ good shell, and a Suburban, If only able to take one, the Suburban would be the one. Yes, it takes more fuel to run, but with it's fuel capacity it has double the range as the Nissan, and will carry and pull much more. For scouting around, I can see the advantage of the smaller vehicle, but for covering distance, and having adequet supplies on hand, and even still having room to sleep in the back if needed, the Suburban is my choice.
I would try to take my motor home if the roads were passable, trailering the Suburban or Nissan behind it. I plan on selling the Winnebago and getting a small/medium size (16'-22')camp trailer that the Suburban can pull. I also think about putting the Nissan on my flatbed trailer and pulling it with the Suburban. Would have an extra vehicle in event of a fatal breakdown, as well as portable wealth. The trailer will also soon have a rack on front similar to what racers use fopr their spare tires, over the hood of the vehicle on the trailer. It will have the generator from the motor home, and gas cans or drums can be carried there, or more camp gear. Building a hitch for the back of the flatbed trailer so I can pull the little pickup bed trailer if I ever needed to take all I own and start over somewhere.
I think splitting the load is a good idea, if having more than one vehicle in the family or friends group, so if one was lost for any reason, all of any particular commodity would not be lost.
The issue in this area would be earthquake, and dealing with major disaster would likely be an "after the fact" situation. Being close to Yellowstone, if it looked possible that it would have serious volcanic problems is the only reason I can think of to leave, otherwise most here would be better off staying.
Looking into a hand powered pump for the well, like in the old days. Even with a generator, why use fuel to pump water when it can be done by hand? Would be nice to pressure up to shower, but much water use doesnt have to be pressured up.
My Nissan has a good rack on top of the shell, plan on having a good heavy duty roof rack built for the Suburban. The factory racks are nearly useless. A lot of gear and supplies can be carried on top. Even if you dont want or need to carry stuff up there when moving, it's nice to have a place to put things when stopped and sleeping in back.
I have a 9x12 wall tent I use for camping in the mountains. I have a small sheet metal wood stove for it. I figure I could get by almost anywhere with this tent. Nice to have a roomy, reliable shelter. The small tents keep the weather off of you, but its nice to be able to stand up and walk around out of the weather too. A fly rigged off the front of the wall tent allows a fire to be made and still be out of the rain. A backpacking tent is a good backup, and for walking into places. Have dog packs for my dogs, (Malamutes, imagine that) so they can help pack loads. A large dog can be used to pull a cart also.
Boots
I've used the Red Wing loggers for quite awhile now. They are far and away the toughest boots I've ever owned. I can get about 2 1/2 to 3 years out fo them. Other brands have seriously cratered in 6 months to a year for me. spenco insolse make them very comfortable for extended wear. I've never gotten a blister wearing the Red Wings and good wool socks, including 10 miles of very rough rocky trails near the Montana/Wyoming border. I mostly use wool athletic socks, a big name sports brand, but it escapes me at the moment.
Avoid the steel toes, they make your feet cold. I fit my boots in the afternoon, your feet are slightly wider that time of day, it's best to get them wide enough that they won't pinch when on your feet all day. Red Wings come in wide sizes for the guy that was asking about that.
A wheelbarrow may be practical for some peoples situaton, you can carry more stuff than you can on your back, and set it down anywhere. Mine is a special tactical wheelbarrow, as the tire is a "no flat" type. It's something that I would probably take along anyway, they are very handy tools, but I can't think of a situation I would likely be in that I would have only the wheelbarrow for my gear. Maybe getting camp gear back in a ways off the road.
Small pickup bed trailers are handy. I have a Datson bed trailer with a shell on it. Sometimes I leave my camp gear in it ready to go, and only have to hook up, throw some fresh water and food supplies in to go. A full size pickup bed trailer with a shell might be good for the Suburban. Haven't worked out the details yet, but pickup bed trailers have fuel tanks under them. I believe an electric inline fuel pump could be used to pump the fuel into the towing vehicle.
Good thread.
I've been scanning posts to try to catch up. Can't find the post where someone (Preacherman?) was considering the smaller lighter vehicle vs larger vehicle for heading out. I have both types, a Nissan 4x extra cab PU w/ good shell, and a Suburban, If only able to take one, the Suburban would be the one. Yes, it takes more fuel to run, but with it's fuel capacity it has double the range as the Nissan, and will carry and pull much more. For scouting around, I can see the advantage of the smaller vehicle, but for covering distance, and having adequet supplies on hand, and even still having room to sleep in the back if needed, the Suburban is my choice.
I would try to take my motor home if the roads were passable, trailering the Suburban or Nissan behind it. I plan on selling the Winnebago and getting a small/medium size (16'-22')camp trailer that the Suburban can pull. I also think about putting the Nissan on my flatbed trailer and pulling it with the Suburban. Would have an extra vehicle in event of a fatal breakdown, as well as portable wealth. The trailer will also soon have a rack on front similar to what racers use fopr their spare tires, over the hood of the vehicle on the trailer. It will have the generator from the motor home, and gas cans or drums can be carried there, or more camp gear. Building a hitch for the back of the flatbed trailer so I can pull the little pickup bed trailer if I ever needed to take all I own and start over somewhere.
I think splitting the load is a good idea, if having more than one vehicle in the family or friends group, so if one was lost for any reason, all of any particular commodity would not be lost.
The issue in this area would be earthquake, and dealing with major disaster would likely be an "after the fact" situation. Being close to Yellowstone, if it looked possible that it would have serious volcanic problems is the only reason I can think of to leave, otherwise most here would be better off staying.
Looking into a hand powered pump for the well, like in the old days. Even with a generator, why use fuel to pump water when it can be done by hand? Would be nice to pressure up to shower, but much water use doesnt have to be pressured up.
My Nissan has a good rack on top of the shell, plan on having a good heavy duty roof rack built for the Suburban. The factory racks are nearly useless. A lot of gear and supplies can be carried on top. Even if you dont want or need to carry stuff up there when moving, it's nice to have a place to put things when stopped and sleeping in back.
I have a 9x12 wall tent I use for camping in the mountains. I have a small sheet metal wood stove for it. I figure I could get by almost anywhere with this tent. Nice to have a roomy, reliable shelter. The small tents keep the weather off of you, but its nice to be able to stand up and walk around out of the weather too. A fly rigged off the front of the wall tent allows a fire to be made and still be out of the rain. A backpacking tent is a good backup, and for walking into places. Have dog packs for my dogs, (Malamutes, imagine that) so they can help pack loads. A large dog can be used to pull a cart also.
Boots
I've used the Red Wing loggers for quite awhile now. They are far and away the toughest boots I've ever owned. I can get about 2 1/2 to 3 years out fo them. Other brands have seriously cratered in 6 months to a year for me. spenco insolse make them very comfortable for extended wear. I've never gotten a blister wearing the Red Wings and good wool socks, including 10 miles of very rough rocky trails near the Montana/Wyoming border. I mostly use wool athletic socks, a big name sports brand, but it escapes me at the moment.
Avoid the steel toes, they make your feet cold. I fit my boots in the afternoon, your feet are slightly wider that time of day, it's best to get them wide enough that they won't pinch when on your feet all day. Red Wings come in wide sizes for the guy that was asking about that.
A wheelbarrow may be practical for some peoples situaton, you can carry more stuff than you can on your back, and set it down anywhere. Mine is a special tactical wheelbarrow, as the tire is a "no flat" type. It's something that I would probably take along anyway, they are very handy tools, but I can't think of a situation I would likely be in that I would have only the wheelbarrow for my gear. Maybe getting camp gear back in a ways off the road.
Small pickup bed trailers are handy. I have a Datson bed trailer with a shell on it. Sometimes I leave my camp gear in it ready to go, and only have to hook up, throw some fresh water and food supplies in to go. A full size pickup bed trailer with a shell might be good for the Suburban. Haven't worked out the details yet, but pickup bed trailers have fuel tanks under them. I believe an electric inline fuel pump could be used to pump the fuel into the towing vehicle.
Good thread.
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People,
Here is a guy that already thought thru these things years ago and he walks his talk.
Go to Google and type in "Buckshots camp"
For those of you with pets, pay special attention to the part about dogs and cats. It's not going to be what you want to hear but it will be what you need to hear.
Good things
People,
Here is a guy that already thought thru these things years ago and he walks his talk.
Go to Google and type in "Buckshots camp"
For those of you with pets, pay special attention to the part about dogs and cats. It's not going to be what you want to hear but it will be what you need to hear.
Good things
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