Libertarian Party v. RNC on RKBA

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The Libertarian Party's stance on RKBA

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We defend the constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and we affirm the individual responsibility to safely use and store firearms.__Because self-defense is a basic human right, we will promote training in their safe usage, especially in federal programs for women and the elderly.__A Republican administration will vigorously enforce current gun laws, neglected by the Democrats, especially by prosecuting dangerous offenders identified as felons in instant background checks.__Although we support background checks to ensure that guns do not fall into the hands of criminals, we oppose federal licensing of law-abiding gun owners and national gun registration as a violation of the Second Amendment and an invasion of privacy of honest citizens.__Through programs like Project Exile, we will hold criminals individually accountable for their actions by strong enforcement of federal and state firearm laws, especially when guns are used in violent or drug-related crimes.__With a special emphasis upon school safety, we propose the crackdown on youth violence explained elsewhere in this platform.

hmmmm. Isn't the AWB a current gun law?


What would you rather have in the White House?
 
I'd much rather have a libertarian of some sort in the white house.

A 'L'ibertarian will never end up there, though.

I'm registered as a Libertarian, but I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I didn't vote for Bush last time, but I will this time.
 
Wingnut,

I think you're really not a Libertarian, just someone posing as one to sprinkle the usual, mass media driven, discouragement to all 3rd party voters.

A true Libertarian would never compromise principals for expediency.

My .02,

AFB
 
I'll continue to vote libertarian across the board, just because some people think it's okay to vote for the wrong person just because they feel the right person will 'never win' doesn't mean I will.

I consider my vote my vote, if my candidate doesn't win at least I'm now showing support for the status quo. If enough people did this (vote for who they think is the right candidate, instead of..like sheeple.. voting for who they think will *win*) I think things could chance.

Just IMO..YMMV..etc.
 
I think pretty much everybody here would agree that the Libertarian party is better than the RNC on guns by a good margin. The main issue, rather, seems to be the odds of getting any Libertarian into any Fed gov't position.
 
A true Libertarian would never compromise principals for expediency.
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Anyone who never compromises principals for expediency will never be President of the United States because our system is all about compromise. It was that way when the founders wrote the Constitution and it is that way now.

Show me one group that has achieved its political goals by a "no compromise" policy?
 
True Libertarains will never compromise on any core principals.

Which is why True Libertarians will continue to get about 14 popular votes per state in the Presidential election and will never win one single electoral vote in any of our lifetimes.

hillbilly
 
Yes, yes, yes, but with a conversation with Colorado's Liberatian Governor's offereing in '02, - Ralph (somebody) I told him that I was totally in-line with all of the Libertarian policies, except for the Libertarians wanted too much control & way too many laws/control/power.

He had no answer. None. The Libs' answer is very much the same as the Dems, or 'Pubs .... we want further control - but, just in our own name of "control."

& it's true!

Make no mistake. The Libs want control as well - just their form of it.

They too, want to revise/revamp our essential constitutional mandate.

Even the Libs want some amount of control over what our lives should be, & out of whack with what the Constitution states.

The Bill of Rights specifies certain things that the government can never infringe upon.

Historically, one can never dispute this! but we do! Poliical expediency.

How can you dispute these thruths that AREthe foundation of this nation!?

Want a refresher course on what this country was founded on? I'd suggest a search-engine on "USA Founding principals."

George Mason would be a good place to start.

Libertarians will not save us, as they're too weak in their principals.

There is a tremedous need for people of principal to actually stand up & say, "No more!. You may never again allow this to happen to us! & If you do, we will shoot you to death!"

"Sorry, but we have had it with your "political realities."

"Fix it now! or your lives are at stake!"
Republicans? = snicker. Democrats? same-same = snicker. & Libertarians= Ha!

None of the "politicalparties"will" save you."

Wanna be free, well, you'll just have to shake off the yoke & actaully be free.

There is not a single party that will represent you to do so.
 
Make no mistake. The Libs want control as well - just their form of it.

They too, want to revise/revamp our essential constitutional mandate.

Even the Libs want some amount of control over what our lives should be, & out of whack with what the Constitution states.
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Ummm...could you possibly expand on this...?
 
YES!!!!

Lets all vote Libertarian so we can be insured our gun rights!!!

We’ll sure as hell need them when they bring home our troops, gut the military and stop them from chasing terrorist.

:banghead:
 
We’ll sure as hell need them when they bring home our troops, gut the military and stop them from chasing terrorist.
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A libertarian foreign policy would produce few enemies.
 
'Samurai Penguin quote:
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Make no mistake. The Libs want control as well - just their form of it.

They too, want to revise/revamp our essential constitutional mandate.

Even the Libs want some amount of control over what our lives should be, & out of whack with what the Constitution states.

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Ummm...could you possibly expand on this...? "

Of course.

The Libs also want control - just their own form of:

How more easily can I explain it.

Libs want to make of our Consitution, a make-shift agenda what they'd like to see to make what they'd like to see happen.

Too, they'd like nothg less than to estaboish control over you.




They too, can't wait to slather their control over you?

Can't I make it anymore clear?

The Libs want totally uncontrolled borders = can't be workable.
 
I'd like a bit more expansion than "They want to control you." How about some specifics? Some instances? Some sources? Anything? Bueller? Bueller?

The "open borders" thing is a #2 issue. It can only follow a #1 issue such as: "dismantle the welfare state." If people are coming here to work for what they get, well, as a first generation American, I can hardly complain about that.
 
I vote libertarian across the board all the time, have done so in every election I have ever voted.

Because if the LP endorses them, I don't care about their name or face; because their core beliefs are 99% the same as mine...

If everybody took the "we have to compromise" then all we'd have is the NRA, not GOA...

Those who think the libertarians want to get elected, aren't seeing the big picture of why you should vote libertarian.

Example:

Dem's get 47% and the Repubs get 47%. Neither have majority..

The LP is the spoiler. That means, the next election, catering to the libertarian views has to start playing in the minds of those who want majority. That's where the real game is.
 
The "open borders" thing is a #2 issue. It can only follow a #1 issue such as: "dismantle the welfare state."
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But [whiney voice]true libertarians[/whiney voice] don't compromise do they? So if #1 fails, #2 must go forward regardless.
 
I totally agree with what labgrade has said so far.

Let me further point out that if the Libertarians (meaning party members) were interested in anything other than an amateur grab for power, they would stop spending all of their money worrying about the Presidency and Senate/H.R. seats.

They would create a real grassroots movement (which, being impatient and arrogant, they have not fully done). Then, when their base was established, they would elect County Commissioners and the like in various states. Then, once that is firmly established, on to State Assemblies. Then, once that is firmly and broadly established, Congressmen. Then, Senate and Cabinet positions.

They are "trying" to do all of this at once, which is cynical, arrogant, and frankly a complete shafting of their constituents. The high level members make quite a bit of money off of the campaign process, as L. Neil Smith has pointed out many times. Yet they endorse nothing short of a quick fix, a naked power grab by endorsing a Presidential candidate who former insiders admit they all know has no shot at winning.

And even if they did all of this, I believe what labgrade has pointed out: they are not strict Constitutionalists* anyways, they seek a different, basically centrist agenda. Putting your faith in a political party is a losing proposition.
 
Let me further point out that if the Libertarians (meaning party members) were interested in anything other than an amateur grab for power, they would stop spending all of their money worrying about the Presidency and Senate/H.R. seats.

They would create a real grassroots movement (which, being impatient and arrogant, they have not fully done). Then, when their base was established, they would elect County Commissioners and the like in various states. Then, once that is firmly established, on to State Assemblies. Then, once that is firmly and broadly established, Congressmen. Then, Senate and Cabinet positions.
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"create a real grassroots movement..."

The Libertarian Party is the third largest party in the United States by most objective measures, including the following:

•The Libertarian Party is the only third party organized in all fifty states.
•In the 2002 elections, Libertarian candidates for state House of Representatives received more than a million votes -- more than twice the votes received by all other minor parties combined.
•In the 2000 elections, the party ran about 1,430 candidates at the local, state, and federal level. More than 1,600 Libertarians ran for office in the 2002 mid-term election. Both numbers are more candidates than all other third parties combined ran in these elections.
•Following the 2002 elections, more than 300 Libertarians hold elected state and local offices. This is more than twice that of all other third parties combined.
•In 2000, 256 candidates ran for seats in the House of Representatives. In 2002, 219 candidates ran for House seats. These are the only two times in over 80 years that any third party has contested a majority of House seats.
•In 2000, Libertarian candidates for U.S. House won 1.73 million votes. This count is more than any other third party in U.S. history by raw vote totals, although not by proportion of the electorate.
•In 2000, Massachusetts U.S. Senate candidate Carla Howell won a record 11.9% of the vote. Then in 2002, Michael Cloud won 19% of the vote for the other Massachusetts seat in the U.S. Senate. (In the latter case, the Republican candidate failed to meet ballot access requirements.)
•In 2002, Ed Thompson won 11% of the vote for governor of Wisconsin despite being excluded from the debates. As a result, one of the eight members of the Wisconsin Election Board is a Libertarian. No other third party holds a seat on the Election Board of any state.
•The Libertarian Party has run in all 50 states in four elections: 1980, 1992, 1996, and 2000. No other third party in U.S. history has managed to run a presidential candidate in all 50 states more than once. 50 state ballot access is so difficult that only the Democrats, Libertarians, and Republicans are even attempting it in 2004.
•Libertarian candidates have finished third in a presidential election twice, in 1984 and 1988. No other current third party has ever finished third in a presidential election more than once.
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We're working on it buddy!
 
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