Why everybody should be a Libertarian

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Cactus: You have apparently painted yourself into a corner and instead of just admitting that if you feel welfare spending is theft then others can justifiably call defense spending theft,

Only because you insist on the utterly illogical rule that if I say Tax-X is theft (or "robbery" if you prefer), then I must say that Tax-Y is theft. As I have shown with the example of 100% tax rate at gun point, that rule is absurd. You are being willfully ignorant.

Cactus: No! What you said is that welfare is theft because it takes money from one person and gives it to another. Just like defense spending!

Defense does not give money to others in the same robbery-like manner as welfare does. You fully understand the differences. You are equivocating. Your games are fooling no one.

Cactus: And as dustind accurately points out, taxation can NOT be theft by definition. It is coersive, sometimes unfair and confiscatory. But isn't theft!

All he has done is say that perhaps robbery is the better word. I'll happily start using the word robbery. ROFLMAO

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

The "open borders" issue is something that would change once the Libertarian party actually came close to higher office I think.

Other than that, we as a people must realize that we have no friends in the present system. That we are being played against the middle. And why? Because of our own bigotry.

We disagree and call our representatives seeking to discriminate against others. Than we get upset when we are depicted as dangerous by others for owning guns

Most conservatives are christian. I do not agree with gay marriage, but I am more disgusted by the notion that the government would intervene as ALL ARE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW to suggest a constitutional amendment? The government has no right, no business to deny this right. As I said, I dont agree with it, but I will support it only because it involves the free will choice of Americans.

WE are feeding the beast from both sides and the only party I know of that has the answer right now in the LP. Drastically reduce the size of government. Abolish entire departments (ATF, IRS, etc). Restore free trade, property rights and taxation reform (end income tax). Not to mention, as posted, totally restore the Second Amendment.

We would be a free country again. Not just lip service at a ballgame or on capitol hill, but free. But until we put aside our desires to infringe on others and unite on the premise that we must defend eachother and our cherished freedoms, whatever they may be, we will continue to see our God given, free will liberties erode by the two party system.

 

[Cactus]

Only because you insist on the utterly illogical rule that if I say Tax-X is theft (or "robbery" if you prefer), then I must say that Tax-Y is theft. As I have shown with the example of 100% tax rate at gun point, that rule is absurd. You are being willfully ignorant.

No, actually I'm being willfully consistant. But then again, trying your arguement could be fun! Let's see: (1)If I steal ALL of your money while your asleep and keep it, that's theft. (2)If I steal half of your money while your at work and spend some to put gas in your car, that's NOT theft. I'm not taking your money in the same manner and it's being used for different purposes so case (2) can't be theft, especially since you gain some benefit.

If you support the legalization of drugs, I can understand why. I'd have to be on crack to understand your "logic"!

Defense does not give money to others in the same robbery-like manner as welfare does.

The IRS takes my taxes for defense and gives it to the Defense Department. BUT... The IRS takes my taxes for welfare and gives the money to the Health and Human Services Department.

Oh yes!!!! Now the difference between taxes for defense and taxes for welfare are crystal clear!

You fully understand the differences.

I fully understand that there is NO difference! Whether a tax goes for a program I agree with or a program I disagree with; whether a tax benefits me or a tax doesn't benefit me. It is all taken by coersion by the legal authority of government. It all means there is less money in my pocket.

But then again, I also knew that not every working person pays income taxes!

 

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I fully understand that there is NO difference!

Liar

You are pretending you don't understand the difference.

ROFLMAO

 

[Cactus]

dischord:Liar

You can no longer defend an absurdist position so you resort to name calling? That's taking the "High Road". I must applaud you on your eloquence and maturity!

But then again, I'm sure you'll have some further convoluted "logic" about how that is not really name calling since you've never resorted to name calling!

 

[dischord]

You left the high road when you made the comment about me being on crack.

So I'll add hypocrite to the names I'm calling you.

Liar. Hypocrite.

 

[Cactus]

dischord:You left the high road when you made the comment about me being on crack.

WHERE?

 

[dischord]

If you support the legalization of drugs, I can understand why. I'd have to be on crack to understand your "logic"!

You clearly were suggesting that my argument (and my possible support for drug legalization) was somehow connected to crack use, and that you'd also need to use crack to understand it. Are you backpedaling now too?

Unfortunately, telling the truth about you has required me to leave "the high road" and I'm probably risking being thrown off the board simply for giving an accurate and frank assessment of your tactics.

You aren't worth it. I'm done. It's been hilarious. Ta-ta

 

[TheBluesMan]

That's quite enough!

Closed.

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