Looking for a 22 for the truck......

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Don't discount or fail to consider some older guns, which will probably shoot circles around most stock, brand-new, entry level .22s you would find on today's shelves. I have an old Mossberg from the early '50s that clearly shoots much better than I do.
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Is that Mossy a M152, the one with the fold down front of the stock? My step dad gave me one when I was 14, came with a receiver aperture sight. It was never that accurate, about 2" at 50 yards. Then, one day I had bought some Eley Match and RWS Target just to play with and took the Mossy along with my VERY accurate Remington M512X bolt gun (a tube feeder, BTW) to the range. That Mossy shot a 1 hole 25 yard group with the Eley. WOW, who knew!? LOL Trigger always sucked on the thing. My SIL and daughter, after they got married, didn't have a .22 rifle and were living outside of town, so I handed it down to them. Never cared much for my step dad, anyway. :rolleyes: That gun is STILL a shooter, though, with the right ammo. My old Remmy bolt gun was always a good shooter. Even with bulk pack Federal it shoots 1.5 MOA at 100 yards. It's rediculously accurate with RWS Target. The trigger is stiff, but crisp. The old Mossy had a spongy trigger I never warmed to. My 10/22's stock trigger is better than either and I'm wanting to improve it with a Volquartsn modification. It ain't as accurate a rifle, though, about 3 MOA at 100 yards. It's a knock about gun, though, kept it iron sighted, no scope. Still, 1.5" at 50 yards is minute of squirrel. :D Stainless and with the Hogue stock it's a tough gun.
 
If you go for the Marlin make sure you have a scabbard to prevent magazine tube dents,and I have seen more than a couple 60's without inner mag tubes, they have a way of loosening and falling out.

Plus 1 on never seeing a stock 10-22 dropping a magazine !
 
MCgunner,

Nope, mine is a 146-B. It is missing the factory barrel rear sight, but has a target aperture sight.

It shoots great! Holds 30 shorts, too! [EDIT: I just got it about 2 months ago, I guess.]


I have heard awesome things about those old Remington bolts, too. Looks like you have been shooting some nice iron for a long time! I wish I was that fortunate.
 
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People who claim their Marlin 60's jam a lot must not know how to take care of a rifle or something. I have "never" seen a Marlin jam a lot and I've been shooting them since 1965. Not one, ever. I own at least half a dozen. I have owned more than that. I have one that's had 150,000 rounds through it. It doesn't jam.

There are things you can do to make a rifle jam right now. One is to put oil on the action. You may get by with a tiny drop but IMO even that is too much. Gun grease is the answer to any problems with wear. Oil gathers powder residue and eventually sets up like glue. If you oil a receiver it will jam unless you clean the rifle every single time you shoot it. I went 11 years without cleaning that 60 I have with 150,000 rounds through it. It jammed about 3 times, I cleaned it and didn't clean it again for another 6 years.

People say that there is a 50/50 split between support for Rugers and Marlins. The fact is that Marlin has sold over twice as many 60's. Yes, twice as many.

I don't usually do this but given the current political climate I think it should be said. All those silly rules the government is thinking about sticking us with - they came from Bill Ruger himself. He's the one that decided guns with pistol grips, folding stocks, and the other "dangerous features" of the assault weapons should not be in the hands of civilians. He is famous for saying that no one should ever need more than 10 rounds in a magazine. I had finally let go of my resentment for what he did and conceded when my wife wanted to buy a LCP. I knew I would regret that. Now the Ruger Rules are coming back on us again. I thought the AWB that Bill Ruger essentially wrote, was over. Well now it's coming back even worse.

If you want more information on the "Ruger Rules" check out this web page:

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html

So if you hate the direction this country is taking when it comes to guns thank Bill Ruger. Those idiots in Congress didn't have a clue what was on a gun much less what parts they didn't like until Mr. Bill told them what they should hate and they ran with it with their propaganda and all the do-gooders got in line to back them up despite all the evidence that none of what they were doing would change anything. They didn't hurt criminals. They didn't even hurt nut cases who want to kill people. They only hurt people like us. They hurt the people who might stand up to them when they push too far is what they did. Again, thank Bill Ruger. He should be the most hated man in the firearms world IMO. And I'll be danged if I'm buying one of his products again. I may thrown the one I have in the Ohio River. But my wife likes it so I will have to ask her about it. There's no doubt it's a nice gun. So is the 10/22. But given a choice I'm buying something else. I knew I would regret showing that pistol to my wife when we were looking for one for her.
 
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Easy on ol' Bill. He was a gun maker and business man of the highest caliber (pun intended). They make a quality, SAFE product, and believe in quality control and customer service. I don't want to buy a gun from a company that believes in anything different.

Plus, the issue isn't weather or not the guns are "safe," it's the fact that they LOOK scary, and a handful of people have done horrible things WITH those scary looking weapons to ruin it for all of us law biding citizens. With or without Ruger, the awful events that have transpired would have still occured, and the same legislation would still be being pushed.

If you don't want to buy Ruger products anymore, then of course that is your decision. I just think there are better reasons for not wanting to own a certain firearm.

Sorry if I got a little preachy. I get a little opinionated when it comes to Ruger :D
 
Marlin 795, run $99 at times on sale and with a $25 rebate. Reliable 10 round mags. Stainless version if ya wonna spend a little more. As a truck gun it isn't as useful as my .22 Mag pump carbine but it's better than nothing...
 
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Thinking either Marlin 60 or a 10/22.

Any opinions or recommendations on one or the other?
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I like my Marlin 60 rifles (both of them). A Spee-D-Loader makes loading the tube pretty quick.

I've heard nothing but good about the 10/22 but the Marlin will invariably be cheaper and more available.

Another option - Marlin 795. Same action as 60, just has mags instead of a tube and a synthetic stock instead of wood. I've seen them new with a cheap scope in the last few months for less than $170.
 
Hey skeptical_in_Ohio, the 795 action is not exactly like the 60 action. They are very close but the 60 is made better.

WoodchuckAssassin said:
Sorry if I got a little preachy. I get a little opinionated when it comes to Ruger
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Friend you get downright defensive about Ruger. There's nothing wrong with that of course. I like some of their products really well like their MkII pistols. But that won't make me buy one.

Ruger set back gun rights 100 years with his preaching. Sorry but he will always be the #1 slimeball in the gun grabber movement IMO. He gave the grabbers the ammo they needed to convince the public that guns were the problem.

The thing is most of the school shootings weren't done with assault weapons. They were done with pistols. And like I told my friend when he went off on me, a M1 will do more damage than an AR any day of the week. Sure there are plenty of reasons to use an AR as a battle carbine but it's not like we never had dangerous weapons before the AR came along. The M1 is a great example of that. So is ammonia nitrate.

Why aren't we banning ammonia nitrate fertilizer? It certainly killed a lot more people in a big hurry than any single gun rampage did. And if the Blind Shiek had his way it would have killed tens of thousands. If that truck bomb that was used during the first WTC attack would have knocked that tower down if it had made it to the correct location. And that building was full of people at the time unlike when it was knocked down on 9/11. Let's face it, you can kill tens of thousands of people at once with that stuff. I hesitate to even mention that to be honest because I don't want some wacko getting ideas from me. But it is far more dangerous than a single AR or AK even in the hands of the most skilled shooter. When I think about all the tall buildings and chemical plants etc. around the country not to mention railroad tracks and interstate highways and dams, etc. etc. etc. I think the government is going after the wrong stuff. It's incredibly easy to build a bomb with that stuff. Some diesel and some ammonia nitrate, one spark and "boom".

It just proves the govt. isn't out to end violence against people. If they were they would legalize drugs and end the narco wars. They want control over Mr. and Mrs. Joe Citizen and they are going to get it with the huge help of Bill Ruger, public enemy #1 even if he is already dead. The guy wrote the book on gun grabbing. Sure others wanted to grab guns before he came along but they were too stupid to make it work. Ruger showed them how to win the gun grabbing war. I hate the guy with a passion or I hate what he did anyway. And I won't contribute to his legacy by buying one of his products.

Again, when they come to take your guns away, thank Bill Ruger because without his work they would never have been able to do it.

I will be the first to admit the 10/22 is a fine rifle. I do think it's better as a project gun than anything else and that the Marlin 60 is a better truck gun. It's cheaper so you won't lose as much if you beat it up too bad and have to replace it. Plus those drop down mags people use on Rugers cause them to not be good for shooting from certain positions. You'll have a hard time shooting off the truck hood for example if you have a big banana mag on your Ruger. The 60 has a mag that will rest on about anything to steady your aim. Some may say that's nit picking but I think it's a valid concern. The fastest way to get off a good shot at a fleeing coyote is to shoot from off the hood.
 
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I have found for ME over the years, the ability to load and unload quickly is important in a truck/utility gun. This is why, when it comes to guns capable of killing hogs, I kinda prefer my SKS to my .357 caliber Rossi 92 lever gun even though I love the ease with which the Rossi carries. I put a 5 round mag on the SKS so the mag fits flush and I can at least wrap my hand around it at the balance point when walking. Get back to the truck, just dump the ammo from the mag into my hand, then jack the round out of the chamber and I'm done. The 92, I have to lever each and every round out of it, major pain especially in the grass or dirt.

With .22s, I think the same way. My 10/22, I just pull the rotary 10 round mag, jack the round out and stuff it back in the mag, lower the hammer and store. A tube magazine on a .22 isn't as bad as the 92, but one must pull the mag follower out, then turn it muzzle down to dump the magazine. This requires getting one's hand near the muzzle, something I don't like to do.

For me, it's this baby--$150 used at a gun show some time back. :D The Hogue stock I put on, prefer it, grippy and rugged and does away with the barrel band.

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^^^ That does look like a great truck gun right there. And the SKS sounds good for a centerfire truck gun.
 
OP, what are your state laws on guns in vehicles? Here in PA, for instance, long guns cannot be loaded in a vehicle. For this type of situation, 10/22 is the way to go. Just keep the mag separate, slap it in when you need it and away you go.

If that is not an issue, I would choose a model 60 - especially an older one with an 18 rnd mag. If you keep it topped off with all 18 rounds, I really doubt you'll be needing a mag change.

You really can't go wrong with either gun. FWIW, the stock Marlin has a reputation for a lot better accuracy than a stock 10/22. If you want to, though, it is very easy to catch the 10/22 up to the Marlin.

BTW, Marlins are NOT jam-o-matic POSs.

~D
 
Gotta go with 10/22 simply for the quick loading ability. Mine is good enough accuracy wise and doesn't jam as often as my friend's Marlin.
 
I have both.
Just got the 10/22 in late December and have not used it until I get a better stock of 22 ammo.
The Marlin is very accurate and mine has never jammed that I can remember.
Either will serve your purpose.
Both of my Marlin 60's are older real Marlins.
I cannot speak about the Rem/Mar's being produced today.
But since we are talking truck gun the shorter Ruger as well as it having a quick detach magazine would be my preference for truck carry.
 
Both of my Marlin 60's are older real Marlins.
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There is so much being said about Marlins lately it's ridiculous. I own old Marlins and new Marlins and I've been shooting them since the 60's. The new ones are every bit as good as the old ones and maybe better. My newest 60 is the most accurate one I've ever owned. It didn't have anything wrong with it that was worth mentioning. It had one very slight problem which I fixed in 30 seconds or less. It had some wood shavings in the action from where the sling swivel had been mounted to the front stock. An air hose and a few seconds and it was gone.

And that stuff about getting your hand near the muzzle to load a 60 was rendered a moot point with the advent of the last shot hold open feature. And I've never seen this legion of jamming Marlins the Ruger people talk about. I've very rarely seen one that jammed and I've seen just as many Rugers that did. But every Ruger owner seems to know a dozen people with jamming Marlins. Where are they? Mine don't do that. The ones I've owned before didn't either. It's funny how a person who owns so many Marlins and has shot them for 50 years has not seen as many jam as the Ruger people say are out there.

I don't see the need for a detachable mag in a truck gun either. It won't save you from the LEO's claiming you had a loaded weapon unless you store the mags unloaded in a different part of your vehicle. That's how it is in most states. But you can carry your ammo right next to your Marlin and load it as you need it and it will likely take less time to load. In my state you can't carry a loaded long gun and you can't carry loaded mags to go in a long gun you have with you. But you can carry an unloaded long gun and ammo. You have to get out of your vehicle to get to the mags for your long gun here too. It sure seems faster to me to take the 25 seconds to load the Marlin inside the vehicle.
 
Cee Zee,

Good points, but I would like to see someone load 18 or even 15 rounds into a Marlin in 25 seconds.

I know I can't do it that fast!

~D
 
Cee Zee,I wasn't beating on the new Marlins but I did look at a bolt action XT-22 back in November before deciding on the 10/22 and sure enough right out of the box the damn things front blade sight was bending to the left.
Even the sales guy noticed it.
I had read about such things but seeing was believing.
As far as loading from a truck there is no way I could load my two 60's as fast as I could slip the magazine in the shorter carbine 10/22 and rack the charging bolt.
In accuracy I would place my two older Marlin 60's up against any mass produced semi-auto .22.
Both are fantastic rifles at least the old Marlin,Marlins.
 
I got an ol dinged up Marlin 60 in my truck, picked her up at a pawn shop for $90. Will admit, sometimes the rifle would be a bit cranky with certain ammo but runs like a champ on mini mags, winchester bulk so that is what I keep at hand. Can't say much for a 10/22 since I've never owned one except that I would like to have one of those as well.
 
Cee Zee, that's very impressive - I'll have to try that! However, like heeler said, I don't see how that is faster than slapping in a mag, even if you have to go to the glove box for it.

OP, you also might want to consider the Marlin 795 if you're leaning toward a box mag. The mag does stick out, which is a downside compared to the 10/22, but it shoots and handles just like the 60 (i.e. very well).

~D
 
The thing is those mags have to be loaded at some point. What I said was that from the box to the rifle I can load a 60 faster than I can a 10/22. Sure once you get the mag loaded you can put it in fast. But you can't load the mags that fast and you can't carry loaded rifle mags in a vehicle in my state. So you have to load your mags after you see the need for your truck gun here in Ohio. Because of that it's faster to load a 60 than it is to load the Ruger when both are being carried in a truck. I can carry a 60 and a box of ammo and I could load it faster than loading a Ruger mag then putting it in the rifle.

Heeler are you reading this? You can't carry loaded mags in my state unless you carry them in a trunk or somewhere where you have to exit the car or truck to get to them. You have to load the mags before you can load them into the rifle. And it's faster to load the 60 than it is to load the Ruger mags then put them in the rifle. There's more to loading a rifle than just putting a mag in. Those mags have to be loaded before you can put them in the rifle. And there is no mass claims of the XT's having bent sights. They come from a different factory and are considered to be almost totally free of problems. The problems all come from the factory they moved to after they left North Haven. It's the Illion, NY plant that has the problems. The Mayfield, Kentucky plant doesn't have those problems.
 
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Think I have a 10/22 lined up. Will know in a few days......

Went to a couple LGS in the area and no one has a new or used 10/22 on hand and not found one model 60 and it looked liked it had been used to chalk a tank on a hillside.
 
I use a Ruger 10/22 with aftermarket synthetic stock and a Tasco Red Dot Sight. I like the detachable mag for quick reloads (if ever needed).
 
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