Love Glocks, hate the company

[Bill_Shelton]

Thanks for the vid. I wasn't aware Glocks were so finicky about how you hold them. I've always heard they would fire, when most other hand gun would fail. I'm guessing limp wristing is a Glocks Achilles heel ?

Well...Jams and the well-known "Glock Leg" are two of the biggest Glock failings, but let's just stick with the Jams for now. So...yeah, Jams with Glocks are an issue even though a lot of people try to play them down - especially Glock-Boys who have their egos invested in their handgun.

But...please don't take my word for it. Please do some research on the web and conform this for yourself - for your life may depend on it.

 

[Warp]

"Glock Leg"

What is this?

 

[ohbythebay]

This ?

This is an attempt by a Glock hater on the thread to try and convince people of myths about dependability - by the oldest propaganda in the book - say false things enough times to a large enough audience and the urban legend is born.

Did you know if you stick a pencil in the ejection port on a Glock as it fires, it will fail to feed ? Uh...yeah...so would most others.

Glock leg is the mythical condition attributed to the Glock but is a user caused firing of the gun by pulling it from the holster and grabbing the trigger. Shot in the leg.

So any locked and loaded, holstered pistol will do the same thing if the gun is pulled with your finger tugging on the trigger...its USER LEG not Glock leg.

Jams ? What jams ?

He is only right about one thing though. Do your research. You'll find it is one of the most dependable guns on the market.

 

[Bill_Shelton]

What is this?

Here's a good video of a couple of cops getting a case of "Glock Leg" - which seems to be pretty common amongst Law Enforcement.

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/video...jacket-drawstring-causes-negligent-discharge/

 

[ohbythebay]

Bill ...

You have made it clear you are against Glocks. Give it a rest. The sheriff was negligent. Any other gun would have done the same thing ...he just happened to have a Glock.

Limp wristing ? User issue..unless that's how you shoot

 

[Bill_Shelton]

This is an attempt by a Glock hater on the thread to try and convince people of myths about dependability - by the oldest propaganda in the book - say false things enough times to a large enough audience and the urban legend is born.

No...not at all. Every issue that I have discussed is a well-known and well-documented issue.

I suggest that people who really need a gun for self defense do the research to confirm what I have said and come to their own conclusions. There is a lot of good information on the web and the things I am speaking of are well documented.

 

[ohbythebay]

If it is so well documented

Why haven't you posted any real data of gun a vs gun b ? why the urban legend and ridiculous limp wrist video ?

Bottom line, user leg, limp wrist, if you mishandle a firearm, brand is irrelevant. You should not have ANY brand if you cant handle them properly.

How about data on Glock Torture tests. Mud, sand, water, buried, unclean. All fire like nothing affects them.

Video proofs

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=glock+21+torture+test

How about Glock vs Berreta in a torture test ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srg4nwVv6go

Testimonials ?

As a certified armorer, small arms instructor and having 10 years experience with the beretta M9 as a Gunners Mate ( Guns ) in the USN I know that M9's suck. They break and fail to function at such a high rate it is unbelievable. There's a reason that no spec war units issue the M9 because it is unreliable to say the least when using it in adverse conditions. No platform is perfect but Glock absolutely smokes berreta.



I can tell you this, long term the Beretta is no match for the Glock, as a Marksmanship instructor in the military the M9 has continued long term issues with locking block and slide lock breakages, it happened on range daily. The Glock is a different story, dont beleive me? Ask yourself why the millitary has a government contract with Glock starting in 2017. M9s are being phased out because long term they are unreliable.

 

[ohbythebay]

Just an example

Lets just leave it to folks to do their own research.
As to limp wristing ..yes, a danger to self and to other as you have no control of where the gun will point when fired

And yes - 100% the user. Look at your own video.

 

[Warp]

No...not at all. Every issue that I have discussed is a well-known and well-documented issue.

It is in fact well documented that if you pull the trigger on a loaded Glock, it fires.

If you pull the trigger on your loaded Glock while it is pointed at your leg, you will shoot your leg.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

You know...I don't like Glocks. I've made it no secret that I won't buy any of the ones they currently make and I stand by my reasons.

But personally, I think that using a gun the way it wasn't designed to be used (like the limp wrist video) and then blaming the gun for any mechanical problems is asinine.

I also think that using examples of people who shoot themselves in the leg through their own actions and then blaming it on the gun is likewise absurd.

I believe it's 1911tuner who has said on many occasions: "Is gun. Gun not safe."


I may not like Glocks because I think they're disgustingly ugly. But they have a very well proven track record in terms of reliability. If one has to go out of one's way to arrange circumstances by which a Glock may fail or injure someone, then I submit to you that the very fact that one has to go out of the way to do so should speak volumes for Glock.

 

[atomd]

Say you're McDonalds and you've sold a billion and some odd cheeseburgers. What's the worst thing you can do? You say "Hey, we got rid of that cheeseburger that we sold a billion of and now we have this new and totally different cheeseburger"!. Trust me....no one wants to make another Coke 2.

They might be on Gen4 but not a whole lot has changed. When you are selling them as fast as you can make them, don't go changing the recipe.

Now look at a company that's the opposite: Keltec. They seem to have a totally new gun out before 90% of the people that wanted their last model were even able to buy one.

 

[Warp]

Say you're McDonalds and you've sold a billion and some odd cheeseburgers. What's the worst thing you can do? You say "Hey, we got rid of that cheeseburger that we sold a billion of and now we have this new and totally different cheeseburger"!. Trust me....no one wants to make another Coke 2.

They might be on Gen4 but not a whole lot has changed. When you are selling them as fast as you can make them, don't go changing the recipe.

Now look at a company that's the opposite: Keltec. They seem to have a totally new gun out before 90% of the people that wanted their last model were even able to buy one.

KelTec is indeed the opposite.

I owned 3. Past tense. Sold every one and won't buy another.

Talk about a lack of reliability, durability, and longevity.

Sure, they stuff the most cartridge into the smallest package, and people like that...but if a person thinks Glocks are unreliable...may as well plan on throwing the KelTec at your attacker. Give me a Glock. Or, if I must have something I can put in my pocket, give me a reliable little 5 shot snub nose .38spl +P revolver.

 

[ohbythebay]

I am with Navy Chief...

They are butt ugly...LOL...But I love my Glock. Do I want others too ? Hell yeah...but I just hope they operate just as well...

 

[BSA1]

What is it about Glock threads that causes Glock owners to bash other manufacturers handguns and make unprovable claims.

As a certified armorer, small arms instructor and having 10 years experience with the beretta M9 as a Gunners Mate ( Guns ) in the USN I know that M9's suck. They break and fail to function at such a high rate it is unbelievable. There's a reason that no spec war units issue the M9 because it is unreliable to say the least when using it in adverse conditions. No platform is perfect but Glock absolutely smokes berretta.

So what is the rate of failure to function?

Spec Ops Units use a variety of small arms which proves little.

How can the Glock "smoke" the Berretta when the Glock is not a U.S. Military issued firearm?

I can tell you this, long term the Beretta is no match for the Glock, as a Marksmanship instructor in the military the M9 has continued long term issues with locking block and slide lock breakages, it happened on range daily. The Glock is a different story, dont beleive me? Ask yourself why the millitary has a government contract with Glock starting in 2017. M9s are being phased out because long term they are unreliable.

How about links supporting your claim about the Berretta being phased out and Glock having a contract?

As I said in a earlier post I will not comment on the problems I have seen with Glocks as a LEO Firearms Instructor as I don't want to be called a liar and Glock hater.

 

[Robert]

6 more pages to add to the huge number of I love/hate Glocks. This one is done.